How to relocate a HD set-top-box and still have it work with an HDTV

Just about any HD set-top requires the same connections to your HDTV; video, audio and control. If HDMI-CEC actually worked as it was intended, then this would mean one cable, but were not holding our breath. You can still use HDMI for two of the three, but you're going to also need a way to control the box from the comfort of your couch. The most universal way to do this is with an IR repeater. With this you can use just about any remote you want and you aren't limited by the range like other wireless technologies. This isn't usually a big deal since you already have to run at least one wire for the video and audio anyway, but it does cost extra.
IR repeater
Since IR is the De facto standard when it comes to home theater control, we'll start there. Like most things HT related, to relay the IR signals you can spend as much or as little as you want. But no matter what equipment you use, you're going to need some wires so we like to use a CAT5 cable, but any data grade four conductor cable works -- IR repeaters only need three conductors (ground, +12, and signal). Other than the wire itself, you need at least four pieces of hardware to relay IR; the receiver, an emitter, a connecting block and a power supply. We surfed around a bit to find the least expensive options, which come to about $80 without shipping or tax. You might not be able to get by with these though because depending on the type of TV ( and other light interference) you may have to buy one that is resilient to light from an LCD TV (for example). These specialty IR receivers can really get up there in price and in some cases cost as much as $150. But even in our example below, the receiver was the most expensive price of the lot, amounting to over half the cost of the entire IR repeater system -- although this one does include the IR block. But even if you have a typical TV, you might not like the inexpensive IR receivers because they don't fit your decor. Luckily these things are pretty universal, so if the one you like is not the same brand as everything else, it will usually still work.
Connecting things up is pretty simple, the blaster plugs into the block like a pair of headphones, but you'll probably need some wire strippers to extend the wire with a CAT5 from the receiver to the block if your extending to another room. Once you power it up, you should see the LED indicator on the receiver light up when you use a remote and the emitter will usually flash too, but you can buy ones that don't if you prefer.
Mounting the emitters can be tricky on some equipment. We find that a flashlight makes it easy to see where the equipment's IR receiver is located. Sometimes even when the flasher is properly placed, some equipment doesn't work well with emitters. One trick we found with regards to the 360 is to take off the removable face plate and then mount the IR receiver underneath it. This is also nice because when you put the face plate back on you can't see the emitter -- admittedly it doesn't matter much since it's in the closet where no one can see it. You can also try different emitters and even blaster type emitters depending on the application.
IR parts list
IR receiver $48
IR emitter $15
Power supply $17
Component or HDMI?
For video and audio, you have a few choices as well. HDMI is obviously nice because it caries both video and audio in one cable and is pretty future proof, but you can also use component, which makes sense in some cases -- you'll need to run wires for both audio and video though. Component will usually be cheaper and if you want, you can even make the cables the exact length you need since it is possible to terminate them yourself.
In either event, if you stay under a 50 feet, you should be okay with just a simple cable. If you need to longer though, you'll find that not all AV components are created equally and you might need an repeater in-line to deal with attenuation. If you're going HDMI, as most will, then you have a choice of either using a set of baluns that carry the HDMI signal via a pair of CAT5 or fiber cables, or you might just go with a more basic repeater. Baluns are preferred but way more expensive (at least four times as much starting at $100), so it will really come down to your equipment and how long your runs needs to be. We could write an entire other post on the options for extending HDMI, and who knows maybe we will.
Wall-plates
Depending on how much of an obsessive compulsive disorder you have, you may want to get some connection specific wall-plates. Some say you're just asking for trouble inserting additional connections into the equation, while others just aren't down with using blank wall-plates with a hole in them. Either way, you need to have something to finish off the holes where the wires are coming through. So no matter which you choose, you need to pick up some retro-fit low-voltage brackets and a simple dry-wall saw.

As you can see this isn't as cheap or as easy as it should be, but it's totally worth if you are a wall person -- you know everything has to be mounted on the wall -- or you want to use an Xbox 360 as an extender for Media Center but you can't stand the noise of the fans while you watch TV. Honestly all of this is usually the easy part as the real work is running wires. Either way this should be enough to get you started on your way to boxless HD bliss.

























Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Carl Z @ Jul 2nd 2009 5:41PM
If your problem is that the Xbox is too noisy...
Just download the Xbox 360's games to the hard drive and play them from there. I will be virtually noiseless and save you time and money.
ishaan55 @ Jul 3rd 2009 1:04AM
my air conditioner makes more noise than xbox 360
darren_mccoy@hotmail.com @ Jul 2nd 2009 5:45PM
what if you have the arcade model?
stubbymonkey @ Jul 2nd 2009 5:40PM
If you want a truly great media system, get yourself a PS3.
Ben @ Jul 2nd 2009 5:46PM
The arcade isn't any quieter than a regular 360.
Nacho @ Jul 2nd 2009 6:14PM
Stubbymonkey. You and I must have vastly differing ideas of the meaning of the words truly and great. I bought my PS3 over a year ago and one I saw how limited it really was, I bought a popcorn hour (for less than half the price, I might add) and the PS3 has been collecting dust ever since. At least the dust is displayed in glorious 1080p though.
Burns11 @ Jul 2nd 2009 8:22PM
Apparently someone never thought to install linux on his PS3
james @ Jul 2nd 2009 8:47PM
Google PS3 Media Server, done. Currently using this for all my 1080p needs.
Aaron @ Jul 2nd 2009 8:49PM
@ Nacho
Well considering that the PS3 not only reads more media formats in their native state, including native in-system DivX support -- something that the 360 doesn't do -- AND works so easily with many streaming programs, I'd say the PS3 has a definite advantage when it comes to, you know... media? Not only that, but the damn thing plays blu-ray's, for crying out loud. There really isn't any other console on the market right now that does as much. I guess it really is your preference, though...
krimzn @ Jul 2nd 2009 9:48PM
Thats odd... I use my 360 to play Divx movies all the time
SOOPERGOOMAN @ Jul 2nd 2009 10:40PM
Nacho can I have your PS3? I'll pay shipping.
Matt @ Jul 3rd 2009 12:14AM
Not only does the 360 play DivX, it got DivX support before the PS3 did.
John @ Jul 3rd 2009 1:35AM
The PS3 has certified DivX support, the 360 does not. That means that ALL DivX files will play on a PS3 but files that were encoded prior to the more recent versions of the DivX codec may not on a 360.
willieche @ Jul 3rd 2009 12:57PM
To play DivX on my 360 I need to maintain an active internet connection so the box can talk to Microsoft. Granted I do have one 99% of the time, but this limitation is bull and frankly scares me privacy wise. My PS3 has no such limitation.
Marek Hryc @ Jul 3rd 2009 4:05PM
@ willieche.
It sounds like you have a DRM issue with the codec download from Microsoft. I used to have the same problem, but after fixing it with their online tool and redownloading it, I don't need to be connected to watch my videos.
Also, I don't want to start a flame war, but I was watching 24 on DVD last week on my PS3 and that thing was loud as hell. easily as loud as my 360.
Blu-rays, not problem, nice and quiet but standard DVDs are bloody loud.
Taylor. Yes, Taylor. @ Jul 3rd 2009 5:45PM
Hmm... i bought a cheap case, mobo, processor, video card, ram, and power supply for less than $300 at Frys. Used an old hard drive and installed Ubuntu, and now I can stream glorious 1080p from my desktop. And I don't keep track but I'm pretty sure that's cheaper than a PS3 by a lot.
-Taylor
cardsfan @ Jul 7th 2009 10:14AM
TROLL!! Or PS3 Fanboy. Either way, annoying as hell.
Ben @ Jul 2nd 2009 5:43PM
I use it to watch TV and even without a disk it is still the loudest thing in the room.
normychas @ Jul 2nd 2009 7:42PM
Ben
This is absolutely the post i have been looking for. I have been doing a ton of research into setting up a media closet and the ir aspect seems to confuse me. Can you be more specific about what you mean when you say "but you'll probably need some wire strippers to extend the wire with a CAT5 from the receiver to the block if your extending to another room". Forgive my ignorance but are you stripping the cat5 wire and directly attaching it to a 3.55 mm ir cord. I'm not exactly sure where the IR receiver comes into the equation. I have contemplated running 3.55mm ir cord throughout my house but am worried that this will limit me later. Please let me know how this can be done via Cat5 or Cat6 cable preferably on the cheap
Also if you guys ever do that hdmi extension article you mentioned id be interested to hear your thoughts on the solutions that extend both hdmi and ir over two cat5 cables together.
Ben @ Jul 2nd 2009 7:45PM
normychas,
What I do is terminate the CAT5 cables in RJ45 wall-plates and then I cut the included 3.5mm plug off the end of the cable and crimp the three wires into the first three pins of an RJ45 plug on both ends.
David @ Jul 2nd 2009 10:04PM
Do you use the 360 Extender through Media Center? I love it...can't go a day without using it now.
Jonathan @ Jul 3rd 2009 9:16AM
I understand all of your concerns about the xbox being too noisy, but please don't scare away people who are considering this route. The new model (Jasper) is pretty damn quiet. My wife and I sit about 12 feet away from it and with complete silence I can hear the drone but if ANYTHING is playing on the TV you can't hear the 360 at all.
Ben @ Jul 3rd 2009 9:25AM
Jonathan,
I'm not saying how loud it is or isn't, you didn't see me specify the DB did you. What I said was that it was the loudest thing in my HT. Louder than my TV, my AVR, my Blu-ray player, louder than my Apple TV. It doesn't take a sound engineer to understand that it is annoying to hear a fan when you are trying to watch a movie.
It is not louder than an air conditioner, or a refrigerator or even the loud explosions during a movie. But that doesn't mean it won't annoy me while I'm watching WALL-E and there isn't any dialog for a long time.
j.howlett @ Jul 2nd 2009 6:30PM
i like to see setups like this. personally i wish set top boxes still had number pads, i'd have it sitting next to me so i wouldn't need a remote.
Jose R. Ortiz @ Jul 2nd 2009 7:06PM
Great "How To" article. I had tried a few different things to accomplish this but had never played around with (or understood) the IR repeater piece of it. Now that I know what I need it's time to tinker around!
FreshJulius @ Jul 6th 2009 5:22PM
Has anyone tried the "Next Generation Remote Control Extender" that turns the battery in the remote into a RF transceiver to a IR Repeater?
It sounds like the bees knees if it works and would let you keep your IR remote.
220v @ Jul 2nd 2009 8:18PM
All that scratch and they didn't bother to put in a 360 Elite? Would have looked better, methinks.
honorelsu @ Jul 2nd 2009 8:27PM
Just change the faceplate if you want it to match.
Matt @ Jul 3rd 2009 12:15AM
Who cares what it looks like? The whole point is that they are out of sight.
ohpleaseno @ Jul 2nd 2009 8:26PM
Boy do I love my quiet Sage HD Theater. One Cat5 cable between it and my WHS and all is good.
Josh L @ Jul 2nd 2009 8:34PM
Give a balun a shot in place of running 50' of HDMI. It just uses two runs of Cat5e for HDMI.
DJ @ Jul 2nd 2009 8:35PM
I have multiple wall mounted TV's and in each case, I had an electrical outlet installed behind the TV along with an open drop for my HDMI cable and IR repeater next to it. All wiring is totally hidden. The electrician charged me $75 for everything at each TV location. In our bedroom, the DVR and Bluray player are hidden in a decorative trunk that has had the back cut out for ventialtion and wiring. When use the DVD, I simply lift the trunk lid for access. Works perfect! The IR repeater came from TWC for $40.
larrylevine @ Jul 2nd 2009 8:52PM
I've got to ask...if you are able to do all this (time, money, ability)...why are you using a xbox360 as a media center?
Marc-O @ Jul 2nd 2009 9:28PM
A media center extender, not a media center...
Mark @ Jul 2nd 2009 8:50PM
If you have a good enough sound system why do you care how loud your xbox is. I never hear it running only on start up.
Ben @ Jul 2nd 2009 8:51PM
It doesn't matter how loud your system can get, there are plenty of times during almost every movie when things get quiet and the last thing I want to do is hear the fans on my equipment running during those times.
m3nphls @ Jul 2nd 2009 8:52PM
LOL, that xbox sitting right there won't last long enough due to RRoD. Putting a xbox in a close place like that its a death for sure.
FNG @ Jul 3rd 2009 10:06AM
lol? really? you're right. that custom rack mount enclosure surely doesn't have cooling capabilities.
/sarcasm
Joshua Kelley @ Jul 2nd 2009 9:04PM
You may put a disclaimer in your article: Most current fire codes don't allow wires simply running through the walls. They need to be wired with jacks and installation-grade wire to be up to code. Also low-voltage (A/V/IR) and high-voltage (AC power) need to be in separate boxes.
To avoid fire code problems and stuff, surface-mount conduit MIGHT be the way to go.
Foamysking @ Jul 2nd 2009 9:15PM
First the setup looks awesome who wouldnt want a 360 in their home theatre setup with falcon and jasper you can barely hear a 360 anymore and its fairly well rounded device.
And secondly HDDVD will never die until you stop using the players ha ha no but serriously that is a great dvd upconverter
Ben @ Jul 2nd 2009 9:15PM
I have a Jasper and yes it's still too loud.
Wes @ Jul 4th 2009 7:18AM
That's odd. Jaspers are plenty quite for me and the poster above but not you Ben. Hmm, odd. Even during quiet scenes in movies, I don't hear the fan running as its very quiet. Especially compared to launch day monsters or my ps3.
If its really that loud, you might have gotten a defective one with a bad heatsink or temperature monitor. Consider returning it for a new one. Be sure to keep your hd when you switch it out.
Ben @ Jul 4th 2009 7:24AM
Never owed a PS3 so no clue how loud they are. As for the Jasper being too loud, it sounds like your noise floor (google it) is higher than mine. Example the 360 isn't noisy enough to be heard in a Best Buy, but you would hear it in an empty music hall. Bottom line is that when there isn't any noise in the quiet part of a movie I don't want to hear fans running, no matter how low the noise level is.
Eroded Fallacy @ Jul 2nd 2009 10:34PM
I use my 360 to watch movies more than anything. I have an external attached to it and I'm able to watch my divx & wma flix and i don't hear any noise from my 360... idk what version i have (i.e jasper or w/e) all i know is mine is before they added HDMI to the 360.
Money Mike @ Jul 3rd 2009 12:49AM
Yeah, I have to agree with you about the fan noise not being as loud as people in here (mostly Ben) keep saying it is. Ben, maybe you have pretty strong hearing?
I have had two 360s - one without HDMI (dead from RROD) and then a newer Arcade version with the HDMI, and I've never noticed either one to have loud fans. I probably don't use mine as often as most others in here, but I've gone on some long stretches playing games and I honestly have never noticed.
Admittedly, I haven't used it much for movies, but you guys are making it sound like the 360 sounds like a jet at all times and I just haven't had the same experience.
Ninja Haiku @ Jul 2nd 2009 10:35PM
All my AV equipment is in a separate room opposite my LCD, with in wall 7.1 speakers and the door closed to the other room I can still hear the Xbox during quite parts of movies. (Using the Xbox to stream movies from my PC.) That being said, I can here the PS3 while playing games too. (barely)
hpowell945 @ Jul 2nd 2009 10:41PM
Hope to god that '360 is well ventilated. That's an RROD timebomb in my opinion.
FarmerBob @ Jul 2nd 2009 10:47PM
Old news. And eforcity.com has better, less expensive cables. For example I just bought - INSTEN Premium HDMI M/M Cable 1.3b (B NOT A), 25 FT (big variety in lengths) - Metal Black (many different colors for remote source coding and casing kinds) for $25 (best pricing I have seen). X10 Powermid Plug-N-Play IR Repeater - $39.99.
Eduardo Resende @ Jul 2nd 2009 11:06PM
Not so sure this Xbox 360 won't melt.
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