Nero LiquidTV | TiVo PC review

Gallery: Liquid TV Review
Gallery: Hands-on and unboxing: Liquid TV
The good
- Looks like a TiVo, but not exactly. Some differences are good (like the preview window); some are bad (like the settings page).
- It'll install without any hardware so you can use it as a TiVo client.
- It will record the live TV buffer like a real TiVo -- something Vista Media Center won't do.
- Auto convert option in season pass is nice feature, but the only way to customize results is to edit an .xml file.
- The remote's volume and mute buttons work as expected and can still be programmed, just like a TiVo.
- Works without hardware, so you can take your content to go, but if it's setup to use a tuner, it won't launch without it -- Nero tells us this is supposed to work.
- Mouse / keyboard support is good.
- The Vista Media Center remote we have also works great, but the 'back vs. left' can get confusing.
- Records with MPEG-2, the files have an .mpg extension (transfers are .tivo though).
The bad
- No apparent way to start playing a recording before it finishes transferring.
- Service doesn't qualify for a multi-TiVo discount.
- TiVo button on remote doesn't launch Liquid TV.
- Only works with capture cards with BDA drivers, so it didn't detect the CableCARD tuner or HDHomeRun we were using (HDHR does offer BDA drivers though).
- Included antenna is next to useless, only able to pick up a few stations despite living within 15 miles of the towers.
- Doesn't support QAM even though the hardware does.
- Setup concerning media access key was not intuitive and not guided.
- When you browse other TiVo boxes, the episode's title is not shown.
- No grid guide option.
- Didn't detect our display's native resolution so everything was stretched, there was also no way to override it. It also crashed a few times -- Nero assures us that the version released for sale will address the bugs we found.
The ugly
- $99 a year subscription fee.
- Painfully slow transfers from a TiVo, a one hour episode of Chuck took about 1:03 (1 hour, 3 minutes) to transfer from a TiVo HD and produced a 2.75GB .tivo file. A 30-minute program took 20 minutes from a Series 2.
Wrap-up
As TiVo fans we want to like the Nero Liquid TV software and can see two possible ways people might use it. First, there's the obvious roll your own DVR route that will enable you to turn just about any PC into a DVR. The second is as a companion for a real TiVo. The problem with both solutions is the price. Of course, if it did either spectacularly well, then it'd be worth the price, but the fact is it doesn't.
The DVR functions really don't offer much more than the TiVo interface, and in fact lack most of the other features expected from a full blown media front end. Using it as a TiVo companion isn't really any easier to use than TiVoToGo (free) and because of how slow the transfers are -- just like TiVoToGo -- and the lack of automatic transfers like TiVoToGo has, it makes it almost useless as a portable TiVo. Don't get us wrong, it's not that we don't like it, it's that we wouldn't pay $99 a year to use it. The initial cost is pretty good though -- although it is a little pricey at $99 for just the software and $199 for the software, remote, IR transceiver and tuner -- and not beyond what we'd be willing to pay, sans the yearly service fee.






















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Jon @ Oct 15th 2008 11:21AM
"Doesn't support QAM even though the hardware does" and "Only works with capture cards with BDA drivers, so it didn't detect the CableCARD tuner"
Are you frkn kidding me ... What a useless program ..
Brent @ Oct 15th 2008 11:41AM
I think this still might appeal to a few existing Tivo customers, but I can't see it making much of a dent in the HTPC niche market. Too few features for too much money.
But it is the first iteration so its always possible (and likely) that they will continue to add features and functionality down the road. It's just that BeyondTV, SageTV and Vista Media Center have a huge jump in this space - a lot of ground to make up for Tivo especially when they handicap themselves by making you transfer files between the boxes instead of actually streaming them...
happy_penguin @ Oct 15th 2008 2:31PM
It doesn't appeal to this existing Tivo customer. :(
Jeff @ Oct 15th 2008 12:20PM
How does it record/save copy protected files? If you record a channel with 5C turned on, is it saved as an mpg also?
glucoseboy @ Oct 15th 2008 2:32PM
One thing re: transfer times with Tivos. On my Tivo HD, they're slow when the Tivo is "occupied" recording or other activity. Otherwise, it's much faster. Was this fact taken into account during the tests?
jd @ Oct 15th 2008 4:28PM
Yeah, but, a TiVo is *always* recording -- because of the live buffer, data is constantly being written to the hard drive, whether it is a recording that will be saved indefinitely, or only the last 30 minutes of live TV. So when exactly do you see good performance on TiVoToGo transfers?
Dave @ Oct 16th 2008 11:22AM
Tivo ISN'T recording all the time if you set the tuners to channels you don't get. I've seen this myself (and read about it elsewhere), that is, if you want to speed up the Tivo2Go transfers, set both tuners to channels you don't get. That turns off the live buffering which speeds up the transfers. I tried this a long time ago on my HD Tivo, and as I remember, there was a significant difference (even though I think it should be much better). For example, I have 2 cable cards installed, but I don't get a number of channels because of the SDV problem. I set the tuners to some SDV channels I can't receive, and voila.
The original point remains: did they do this in their evaluation?
patsy @ Oct 15th 2008 2:55PM
> The initial cost is pretty good though -- although it is a little pricey [...]
WTF does that mean?!
pridkett @ Oct 15th 2008 3:21PM
No QAM support? No support for CableCard devices? So, I'm supposed to use it to get the single OTA HD channel that I receive here? I would kill for the UI, but the UI is no good if I can't record anything. I was hoping that this would at least be competitive enough that it would stir up the PC DVR market some, but without those features, I can't see anyone in the target market (mediaphiles and geeks) getting this. Unless you've already got TiVos laying around, this doesn't offer anything. It sounds more like they were trying to bring TiVo to desktop PCs, rather than creating a real product for use in Media Centers.
rendezvous65 @ Nov 7th 2008 5:45PM
CableCard PC's require a special computer that runs the OCUR environment. It also requires 2 special tuners. All CableCard PC's must be cableLabs certified. I hear they also need an OS that supports CableCard. Cable Card PC's are OEM only.
philly_phenom @ Oct 16th 2008 6:43PM
Lets see - Do I want to spend $99/yr for Tivo & no QAM support or keep using GBPVR w/ QAM support (and HD-PVR support) for Free?