Onkyo not quite ready for Blu-ray, offers DV-SP406 upscaling DVD deck
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
DIRAN ONI @ Jul 16th 2008 11:23AM
From the DV-SP406 manual: USB (European & Other
models only).........will a U.S USB version be available?
ivan @ Jul 16th 2008 12:08PM
So it's perfectly fine for Onkyo to come up with an upconverting DVD player but it's ridiculous for Toshiba to work on a super-resolution player ?
Sounds like double standard here !
JimC @ Jul 16th 2008 12:47PM
One is positioning as if upscaling is just as good as true HD, the other is simply providing an intermediate solution, which is which do you think?
Andy @ Jul 16th 2008 1:00PM
Upscaling players are not a big deal. They are all over.
Toshiba is claiming they will pull video details and quality out of their rears and make it better than Bluray.
DrXym @ Jul 16th 2008 1:02PM
I don't see why manufacturers shouldn't make DVD and Blu Ray players at the same time, assuming they can make a profit.
What most people are laughing at Toshiba for is pretending that a glorified upscaler in a DVD magically makes it comparable to true HD quality. Toshiba also have the thorny issue of cost. Samples of SpursEngine chips are $100 a pop. This is bound to fall dramatically as yields increase and they go 65nm or smaller, but it raises a huge question mark over the wisdom of shoving them in a DVD player when the margins are so tight.
Truth Teller @ Jul 16th 2008 1:43PM
You're right, of course it's obvious hypocrisy.
Darren has a major h@rd-on for Blu-ray.
The difference is that one brand is a massively bigger threat than the other.
Toshiba could, if they wanted to, go along with the whole Blu-ray project & make their own Blu-ray player
(particularly as the format now has no HD DVD competitor).
They are not doing so.
It is obvious that to all (CE & movie corps) concerned high def on disc was a major disappointment.
Toshiba are in the business of making money and if Blu-ray really was 'the next DVD' they'd be in like a shot to make guaranteed cash. Clearly they (like many people.....even some of the Sony guys now) do not think Blu-ray can be anything more than a niche product (and likely a high margin one at that) revolving primarily around the PS3 game console.
That's why Toshiba are backing their own new take on DVD
(which contrary to the obvious if typical ignorant fanboy criticisms does produce a more detailed image - by doing what forensic labs have done for decades.....you take the tiny differences in detail of 'x' number of preceding frames and following frames to the one being shown and combine them onto that 1 being shown.
You'll not be seeing many cases thrown out of court cos the forensic video/film guys pulled detail "out of their a$$es")
Naturally the Blu-ray fanclub hate Toshiba with a renewed passion.
Toshiba not only had the gaul to release a competing high def format (which forced the BDA - again by their own admission - to launch 2 years too early and because of this still even now has better practical features than almost every Blu-ray device currently on the market and did it at much lower prices, even pre the format's demise)
but also
by now refusing to go along with the BDA's Blu-ray plans they are making 'the Emperor's new clothes' very clear & obvious.
Some people think that if the CE corps just gang up and present a united front then come hell or high water people will just get used to it all and Blu-ray can then take off, irrespective of the incomplete specs, clunky operation, sky-high pricing and a host of so-called 'security' issues lying ahead - and if the story about X-PROTECT is true they are still at it, cue endless compatibility issues ahead .
Of course it isn't going to happen as their current sales disaster is proving.
......oh and I have to giggle at the way the Blu-ray.com tw@ts now think they know all about Toshiba's manufacturing costs, pricing structures & sales strategy.
The idea that the new spurs engined DVD players are going to cost more than the HD DVD players is laughable.
As if they'd just ignore their very recent experience with that.
DrXym @ Jul 16th 2008 3:54PM
Baby, the sample prices for the SpursEngine are well publicized and it is $100. Even when it goes into production proper the price is likely to be at least $40-50. Which would explain why these upscaling DVD players that you are desperately trying to paint as the next best thing are still vapourware.
As for Blu Ray people "hating" Toshiba. Heh, nope. Many people just wish they would sort their shit out and start making decent kit rather than all this nonsense trying to prop up DVD with half-baked and desperate schemes that will go nowhere.
Grow up baby your precious format lost.
Truth Teller @ Jul 16th 2008 9:31PM
Dr Cretin
Well of course.
You just can't help claiming to 'know' the finer points about Toshiba's production, sales & pricing strategy.
Laughably ignorant but stunningly arrogant fanboy BS as always.
.....and please do not back down; keep on giving me a great big laugh at you as you make a total tool of yourself with that patheticly feeble cat-call.
Dance on with your idioticly infantile weak jibe, you ridiculous tool, clearly you haven't worked out that it just continues to provide me with an opportunity to post the link to the Sony guy admitting Blu-ray was staying niche & high margin.
Moron.
The truth is that "your precious format" isn't going anywhere and has also lost
(and you keep on getting the shaft on the prices you pay).
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/07/03/sony-talks-future-of-oled-blu-rays-chances-against-dvd/#readercomments
LMAO at you, each & every time you post your ignorant risible BS.
DVD4ME @ Jul 17th 2008 5:01AM
Exactly, how is this even news, it has nothing to do with HD!
Oh of course, Mr.Murphy gets to plug his favorite play toy/marital aid again, BR certainly gives him that "Wooden " feeling in his loins!
Andy @ Jul 16th 2008 12:59PM
Hows this different from the 405 from last year? That one does 1080p as well. I guess the USB port.
Video Master @ Jul 16th 2008 5:57PM
Sure is one ugly design - what ever happened to sleek silver?
dj496 @ Jul 17th 2008 8:47AM
To not have DVD-Audio/SACD capability is pretty lame, I guess Onkyo don't think they need to include it in their list of things to make it a competitive low-price player. HDMI 1.2 or above is all you need these days, for optimised hi-res music playback.