The Media Center Extender shootout

Gallery: Vista Media Center Extenders
Although two out of three of these devices do more than just extend VMC around your house, we ignored the other features. It's not that we don't think that the other features matter, it's that we figure if those features are important to you, then you have no reason to read a review -- i.e., gamers will want a 360. The one thing we wished we would've included is a HP MediaSmart TV, but again, if you are in the market for a TV with a built-in Extender then you have an easy decision to make. It is also important to realize that there are more extenders on the horizon and one that was out of our budget. The Niveus Media Extender is way too pricey for us and neither the HP MediaSmart Connect nor the Samsung Digital Media Adapter are availble yet. As for our methods, the VMC and all three Extenders were connected to a Pioneer PDP-6010FD via HDMI, except for the 360 which utilized component.
Picture and Sound quality
Overall, we have no complaints in regard to picture and sound quality and all three were very evenly matched. The colors are a bit different, and this is most evident on the VMC main menu. The 360 is dark like a real VMC. The D-Link and the Linksys both look a little washed out, with the Linksys being the lightest color blue of the three. We didn't notice any real world difference though, and we think it'd be easy enough to correct with the HDTV's settings. The one place we did notice a difference is when viewing photos; the quality is noticeably better on the 360 and VMC, with both the Linksys and the D-link exhibiting a little less detail.
Wireless Performance
We weren't able to stream over 802.11g no matter how close to the AP we were. 802.11n worked fine anywhere in our house, but occasionally we saw the Network performance error and some drop outs.
Ethernet on the other hand was rock solid and worked flawlessly at 100Mbps. In fact, we also have a HDHomeRun connected to our VMC, and not a frame was dropped even when sending five HD streams around the house simultaneously.
Remotes
Not sure why both the D-Link and the Linksys come with such bad remotes. Luckily, you can use just about any VMC remote instead, which brings us to one of our gripes. While VMC has nine different IR codes to choose from, every extender works on IR code one. This makes it nearly impossible to use in the same AV rack -- for those with centralized equipment. The 360 can be configured to respond to the same IR code, or you can configure it to only respond to the 360 Media Center remote. Although the 360 remote could use more VMC centric buttons like Recorded TV, we do appreciate its overall feel, backlight and programmable buttons -- the DMA2100 has programmable buttons, but interestingly they wouldn't learn the codes from a Sharp TV we tried.

Screen saver
Seems silly, but having a screen saver on your HDTV can be very useful. The Linksys has a cool logo that bounces around, and the 360 dims then eventually turns off. Notably, we never saw one on the D-Link, but maybe we didn't wait long enough.
The Linksys vs the D-Link
Performance wise, both the DMA2100 and the DSM-750 are identical and lack the really cool animated transitions (see video below) the real VMC and 360 have -- but they're both just as snappy. We took a quick look inside to check out the difference between the two fanless units, and found no surprises inside as both units share almost the exact same internals. The big difference between the two is that the D-Link has Media Lounge, an extra antenna, built-in power supply, and both optical and coaxial S/PDIF (opposed to the Linksys with only coaxial S/PDIF). We did have a problem getting the D-Link to work with our Xantech IR repeater; in fact, despite trying three different emitters, we weren't able to get it to work at all. One other odd thing we noticed was that while the Linksys was willing to output 1080p, we couldn't get the D-Link to do it -- not a big deal if your HDTV has a good de-interlacer, but it's always good to have options.
| DMA2100 | DSM-750 | Xbox 360 |
|
|---|---|---|---|
| Form Factor |
Smallest |
Standard rack width |
Biggest |
| Startup time |
10 seconds * | 1 minute 20 seconds |
48 seconds |
| Remote | Programmable, but cheap feeling |
Sturdy, but not programmable |
Not included, but it is programmable and backlit, but buttons are not as VMC centric |
| Networking | 10/100 and 802.11N | 10/100 and 802.11N | 10/100 and optional 802.11G |
| Video codecs | MPEG-1, MPEG-2, WMV9, VC-1, DiVX, Xvid | MPEG-1, MPEG-2, WMV9, VC-1, DiVX, Xvid** | MPEG-1, MPEG-2, WMV9** |
| Price | $240 (Amazon) | $285 (Amazon) | $300 (Arcade, including remote) |
| Extras | None | Media Lounge and USB | Games, Media, DVDs and USB |
| Noise | Silent | Silent | Noisy |
| Outputs | HDMI, component, composite, S-Video, coax digital and stereo. | HDMI, component, composite, S-Video, coax digital, SPDIF, and stereo. | HDMI, component, composite, SPDIF, and stereo. *** |
** More codecs supported outside of VMC, 360 played MPEG-2 with the wrong aspect ratio.
*** Extra 360 specific cables required.
Wrap-up
We are glad to see so many new ways to access all of our HD content (including recorded HD cable) on any HDTV in the house, and we're happy to say that every one of these devices is a great solution. But while gamers will be drawn to the value of the Xbox 360, the noise and sheer size of the box prevent it from being the ultimate solution for others. So as much as we miss the cool animated transitions, the old adage "Jack of all trades, master of none" was never more true, and in the case of Media Center Extenders we really prefer the Linksys DMA2100. It is less expensive, boots up faster, and is so small and quiet it will work in just about any application where the main goal is to access VMC. At the same time, it is a close race, and since an Extender is the kind of device you're likely to own more than one of, we'd probably choose one of each if we were outfitting our entire house.
















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
rob @ Jun 19th 2008 1:12PM
which one of these uses .iso files? That is really the big question as far as watching movies. The 360 supposedly does it with a plug in but would be interested in that aspect of the the comparison. I am in process of running cable to my pc for the 360 trial, wireless at my house is flakey for streaming movies.
Ben @ Jun 19th 2008 1:17PM
I don't believe any of them will play .iso files, with or without a plug-in.
I know there is a plug-in so you can play .ts files, which should work on all three Extenders, since they are really just MPEG2 files.
rock99rock @ Jun 19th 2008 1:55PM
Although not an "extender" per se, a HTPC running the ported XMBC can play .iso. Just click and watch, no "mounting" required. It can also play .mkv, which i know the 360 cannot, pretty sure the others cannot as well. The .mkv file, to me, is purely essential now considering the availability of said compressed HD movies. Please correct me if i am wrong.
Nick Catalano @ Jun 19th 2008 4:16PM
Check out the Popcorn Hour if you want to stream.. well... everything
It is $200 w/ship
rock99rock @ Jun 20th 2008 4:25PM
@ Nick
Looks nice, but still no ISO automount.
pete @ Jun 19th 2008 1:13PM
Great comparison, but you should mention that there is a version of the 360 that has HDMI...
Ben @ Jun 19th 2008 1:16PM
True, I guess we assumed everyone knows that. We did list HDMI with the rest of the connection options.
Evan @ Jun 19th 2008 1:14PM
I agree with the overall assesment, that the Linksys and 360 are the top two choices of the three.
I know you guys see the 360's size as a limitation, but if you were already going to have a 360 on that TV it actually helps de-clutter and possibly save space by having one less piece of equipment hooked up to that TV. Also, while I find the 360 louder than it should be when a disc is spinning, I really don't think it makes that much noise when the dvd drive is not in use.
Ben @ Jun 19th 2008 1:18PM
For me the 360 is too loud even when a disc isn't spinning. But I have seen fan kits that will fix this that are reasonably priced.
Mike @ Jun 19th 2008 1:22PM
From what I've noticed, I only hear the Xbox when no content is being played. When nothing is being played then it shouldn't be on. If your listening to TV or music the sound of the Xbox isn't a factor. It isn't that loud.
Ben @ Jun 19th 2008 1:29PM
Mike,
Go watch Cast Away when he is stuck on the island for an hour with only the sound of waves in the back ground and then come back and tell me you can't hear the 360 when you are watching a movie.
The fact is there are many very quite scenes in movies and the sound of fans ruins those moments for some.
Also, if the fans were that quite, then there wouldn't be 3rd party replacements.
http://www.totalconsole.com/servlet/the-246/whispermax-talismoon-whisper-max/Detail
WTangoFoxtrot @ Jun 19th 2008 1:50PM
the arcade 360 has the new processors, ive seen its quilter than a ps3 even when there aint any disk spinning. i dont know how much quieter one would want it to be.
Jeff Jones @ Jun 19th 2008 2:17PM
My 360 always sounds like it is going to explode at any minute.
Vidikron (FU) @ Jun 19th 2008 2:26PM
"the arcade 360 has the new processors, ive seen its quilter than a ps3 even when there aint any disk spinning. i dont know how much quieter one would want it to be."
No, it's not. I have an Elite with the new chipset and it's louder than my 60GB PS3... and the 60 GB PS3 is the "loud" one. The newer PS3s are even quieter.
Evan @ Jun 19th 2008 9:58PM
I agree it would really be a stretch to say you can't hear the 360 at all when just being used as an extender. It definitely makes some noise, for me it just seems to disappear into the background.
Granted the next Xbox better be quieter, and more reliable (lucky for me no problems) or I will stop giving them the benefit of the doubt, let along buy it.
Steve @ Jun 26th 2008 8:31PM
Coincidentally, I bought a 360 earlier today. After everything I read about how noisy the 360 is, I was surprised at how quite it really is. The fan in my DirecTivo makes more noise than the Xbox! I didn't spin up a disc so I have no idea what it sounds like during DVD playback but as an extender, it's a reach to label the Xbox 360 as a noisy device.
mument @ Jun 19th 2008 1:22PM
I'm no fanboy for PS3 (I have 2x360s, PS3, many PCs, DS, etc) but I use the PS3 over the 360 anyday for media use. The remote is better and the Bluray is great in addition to streaming all my photos, movies, music and so on. So... why no PS3?
Ben @ Jun 19th 2008 1:29PM
The PS3 can't play HD Digital Cable recorded with a ATI CableCARD tuner.
Mike @ Jun 19th 2008 1:35PM
Because the PS3 doesn't do HDTV, nor is it nearly as easy to use for the everyday person and it doesn't look as clean and sleek as this.
mument @ Jun 19th 2008 1:37PM
yet...
Anyway, that doesn't really affect me in UK.
Ordeith @ Jun 19th 2008 1:58PM
Include a PS3 in a "media center externder shootout"?
The PS3 is not, nor is it capable of becoming, a Media Center Extender. Who would include such a device in a shootout that is specifically about what the PS3 is not?
Geoffrey Sperl @ Jun 25th 2008 12:46PM
The PS3 will (probably) never be an extender for MS's Media Center. That said, the PS3 can handle HD video (including DivX) just fine, it has a gigabit Ethernet jack if you want to use a wired network, and can work as an extender for various video solutions (I recently learned Azureus/Vuze actually shows up as a shared library on the PS3, with no configuration, if you are running that on your network as a BitTorrent client).
So, as a generic media extender, the PS3 is definitely a good candidate. It just won't work as an MS Media Extender.
jason w @ Jun 19th 2008 1:29PM
Mument because its not a "Media Center Extender"!
Trinh @ Jun 19th 2008 1:41PM
the 360 supports 802.11N as well, the (overpriced) wireless adapter you buy for it supports it. However I ran my 360 on a 802.11G linksys wireless adapter for my 360 and it works fine, no lag when watching HD movies.
Ben @ Jun 19th 2008 1:48PM
I wondered about this, but if what you say is true, then the Xbox website is missleading.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessnetadapter/default.htm
Josh @ Jun 19th 2008 10:48PM
NO is doesn't support N, however if you have a dual radio (2.4ghz and 5ghz) AP like the Linksys WRT-600N it will use and connect to the 5ghz radio, but only work in A mode, NOT N.
- Josh
Rob79 @ Jun 19th 2008 1:41PM
You can play ISO files with the MyMovies plugin and Daemon tools to load the ISO. It works seamlessly great!!!!
Joel Purvis @ Jun 19th 2008 6:24PM
You can't stream .iso files to an extender, even with My Movies and Daemon Tools.
godofmj @ Jun 19th 2008 1:44PM
I second the PS3 vote. I have been using my PS3 as a MediaCenter for some time now. It works with almost anything I throw at it. Another plus is that I can use almost any media server software (TVersity for windows, mediatomb for linux, etc.). And the picture quality of blu-ray is smething thsat must be seen to be believed (I am not sure why a lot of people are happy with upscaled DVDs... I have seen both and after Blu-ray, the rest don't work for me anymore).
Ordeith @ Jun 19th 2008 2:07PM
You fail at understanding the concept of the Windows Media Center
*as an aside, the post below this with the same text marks the first time the comments system has failed me on this site.
magnus @ Jun 20th 2008 9:52PM
I don't think the PS3 can qualify as a "media center" -- awesome for blurays and dvd's but thats about it.
Christian @ Jun 19th 2008 2:20PM
They're talking about "Windows" Media Center Extenders!!! True that you can stream movies, music and photos with the PS3 but they use their own type of internal software to do so. It pretty much works the same except if your PC actually has TV tuner that too can be streamed only with Windows Media Center Extenders and not with PS3...
If I remember PS3 will have their own version and not have to rely on extending what your PC/media server can do but do it as a standalone media system but I forgot where I read it on engadget or engadget HD...
Jamie @ Jun 19th 2008 1:45PM
I'm sold on the 360....now just have to convince the wife.
Josh @ Jun 19th 2008 11:05PM
Sure are: http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/directvs-pc-tuner-is-real/
- Josh
Mrak @ Jun 19th 2008 1:46PM
Is there any way to make WMC work with DirecTV?
Ben @ Jun 19th 2008 1:47PM
Not yet, but it is in the works (assuming you're asking about HD)
Mike @ Jun 19th 2008 1:47PM
It's being worked on as we speak. In fact the DirectTV capability may even be availble some time this summer. Last I heard was they were working out the final kinks.
Jamie @ Jun 19th 2008 1:47PM
I'm sold on the 360....just need it wife-approved
Jim @ Jun 19th 2008 1:48PM
Of course, Vista Media Center has that nice issue of not letting you record flagged broadcasts.
Ben @ Jun 19th 2008 1:48PM
One time, and now we have to hear this forever, right?
computer.dude.28 @ Jun 19th 2008 1:54PM
Actually, those of you who actually read what's being done to your computer will know that there was an update about a week ago that removed the protection from Media Center so that even if they are "flagged", they will not be disabled anymore.
soreros @ Jun 24th 2008 11:06PM
You can disable the DRM via MS's own fix...
http://drmlicense.one.microsoft.com/Indivsite/en/indivit.asp
:)
jrog @ Jun 19th 2008 1:48PM
"There really isn't any other option out there that will allow you to watch premium HD cable in every room of your house while at the same time centralizing all your media in one place."
Well, I'm doing exactly this with my SageTV setup and two Hauppauge HD-PVR units. I have DRM free HDTV from Comcast all through one central system with all my movies, music, podcasts, and with HD Extenders from Sage, all over my house. It's also cheaper than buying a CableCard Ready MCE machine, and the extenders are silent and cheaper than VMC Extenders. Also have an HDHomerun and Live commercial skip processing...
dnabio @ Jun 19th 2008 4:01PM
Really? You are watching premium channels i.e. HBO through SageTV? How? Hacked hardware?
John @ Jun 19th 2008 5:04PM
The SageTV address the encrypted signals by pulling the video from the Comcast boxes via component ad recompressing the signals to unencrypted HDTV for recording via SageTV. This is what the HD-PVR box does. You still have to rent the boxes from your cable company but you are not limited as with CableCARDs, you get all the same features of the cable company’s box without record blocks and encrypted recording for portable devices.
Jason @ Jun 19th 2008 5:26PM
Yep, and MythTV does this as do other free software packages and the hardware requirements are much lower.
When you make claims like "only" you really gotta do your research.
Eric @ Sep 10th 2008 8:46PM
Why is SageTV so universally ignored by the Windows Media Center crowd when solves all the problems they complain so loudly about.
Premium HD channels without DRM...Check ( HD-PVR, R5000 )
Client / Server setup...check
PC as a client...check
HD extenders that play nearly any format you can think of...check
Placeshifting client for your laptop when you travel...check
Full movie libraries...check
Fully customizable interface...check
and so much more...
This product solves all your problems, quit bitching about VMC and move to SageTV
And @ Jun 20th 2008 12:56PM
What happens when you move away from SageTV? Can you still use the Sage Extenders or do they become garbage?
This is what has kept me away from MC Extenders. I don't like the idea of separate hardware tied so closely to software.
The idea of streaming HDTV to my un-cableboxed TV is intriguing, but I'm not going to spend $200 on something that I have to throw out after I move away from the Sage application.
Tim @ Jun 20th 2008 3:18PM
"There really isn't any other option out there that will allow you to watch premium HD cable in every room of your house while at the same time centralizing all your media in one place."
Just like jrog's comment, I'm also using SageTV to do this. I'm receiving HD over-the-air with an HDhomerun and HD DirecTV using a DTV box and the Hauppauge HD-PVR. Everthing runs through SageTV and out to HD extenders in each room. Premium HD in every room and it works like a charm.
superswiss @ Jun 20th 2008 5:07PM
If you don't mind the quality loss associated with converting the compressed digital signal to analog and digitizing and recompressing it again in the HD-PVR. Frankly, much of the HD content on Comcast is bad quality enough, I don't need to have another lossy compression on top of it.