Transformers 2-disc Blu-ray edition coming September 2?

by Richard Lawler, posted May 25th 2008 at 2:10PM

The day Michael Bay and fans of Blu-ray and big robots have all been waiting for is September 2, according to advanced, inside information obtained by TVShowsonDVD.com. Last year's HD DVD blockbuster Transformers is finally coming to Blu-ray after last fall's exclusivity agreement fell by the wayside, in a 2-disc release described as "similar" to the previous version. Hopefully that means all HDi and internet connectivity features intact, with new bits added courtesy of 50GBs of storage space and BD-Live. We expect there should be, and with a majority of Blu-ray owners using PlayStation 3s, they may even surpass the HD DVD edition's 30% internet-connected rate.

[Via Seibertron.com]

Filed under: Blu-ray

Tags: bd live, BdLive, breaking news, BreakingNews, hdi, michael bay, MichaelBay, paramount, transformers

Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)

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Truth Teller @ May 25th 2008 2:33PM

Wow, talk about so old.

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tifosiotaku @ May 25th 2008 4:13PM

You still haven't accepted reality yet, have you? Why the Engadget HD mods haven't told you to take a hike, I'll never know...

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JDS @ May 25th 2008 5:14PM

Truth Teller

Yeah....the only title that helped HD DVD "almost win" 1 weeks neilsen / videoscan numbers....and the top selling HD DVD of all time.

Should do terrible on Blu-Ray.....

Bitter much?

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tifosiotaku @ May 25th 2008 11:56PM

Mods, if the comments are moderated, why is Truth Teller still spamming any Blu-ray related posts? Where the hell are you guys? Talk about sleeping on the job, you guys should have taken out the trash a long time ago.

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DeadPlasmaCell @ May 25th 2008 2:53PM

Wonder how many of those "It's only going to be on HD-DVD?? Oh well Transformers sucked anyway" will be changing their tune now.

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DrXym @ May 25th 2008 2:59PM

It should be no surprise to anyone that this particular movie is appearing on Blu Ray given the director's previous remarks. It'll be interesting to see how it fairs.

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JimC @ May 25th 2008 3:52PM

Well, I still think the movie sucked and I still won't be buying it....but the fact that it is coming out will be nice to put even more of the HD DVD legacy behind us. :-)

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DrXym @ May 26th 2008 6:24AM

"Let them have the old stuff we've watched a year ago.. I guess when the format is going to die by next year they might as well try to get some movies we had on HD DVD. Thought they are still not getting all of them."

The format is not going to die any time soon. Your pathetic and nonsensical swipes won't alter that fact one iota.

As for HD DVD exclusives, they're all coming. Some will just be the existing lower bitrate encodes dumped onto BD25 or BD50. Some others will get fresh new treatments (e.g. Transformers, The Mummy). Each will have to be judged on its merits.

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James @ May 25th 2008 3:13PM

Bay's remarks, if anything probably delayed the release of the title.

It should be noted that he hated the DVD release of this movie. Of course, he didn't have time to contrubute input so it sucked. In his mind anyway.

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dj496 @ May 25th 2008 3:14PM

Why must we wait so long?

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dj496 @ May 25th 2008 3:15PM

don't answer, that's a rhetorical question.

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mntwister @ May 25th 2008 11:09PM

Because Bay is probably doing a new transfer and doing it right with lossless sound this time and the works. This is the format Bay wanted his movie in the first place, I would not doubt there will be extra material ok'd by him, if not made by him for this release.

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perdant @ May 25th 2008 3:58PM

hopefully it has lossless audio...

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lakersin2025 @ May 25th 2008 4:11PM

Awesome. The movie was good for what it was "popcorn". What did you guys expect? It's from a cartoon. Are you expecting Academy Awards from the upcoming GI JOE movie as well? Can we get a count down timer until the INfinity comment shows up here too?

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Christian @ May 25th 2008 4:23PM

With Blu-Ray's "awesome storage capacity" why make it a two-disc set? Why not a single disc?

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Mr. E @ May 25th 2008 4:47PM

Sometimes you need two discs because of total space used, and sometimes you need two discs for... marketing reasons. Not saying that's necessarily the case here, but a 50 GB BD has only 10 GB less space than 2 30 GB HD DVDs.

It could be that they're using one 50 GB BD and one 25 GB BD. That would give them an extra 15 GB above the HD DVD set, for any additional extras they might be adding to this one.

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Truth Teller @ May 25th 2008 5:13PM

Cos when you have a bunch of dumb spec-sheet jockeys who think that a reference quality audio track is missing something (despite Dolby - with a professional sound stage - saying different) you have to waste a sh!tload of space with that bloated waste 'uncompressed audio'.

(like they'd be able to hear something Dolby couldn't.......on their $100 Creative 5.1 set-up.
LMAO)

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JDS @ May 25th 2008 5:17PM

Truth Teller

You're just jealous cause the Blu-Ray version is better.

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Mr. E @ May 25th 2008 6:19PM

TT, both Cloverfield and There Will Be Blood are coming with Dolby TrueHD tracks. I don't expect Transformers to be any different.

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DrXym @ May 26th 2008 6:17AM

"You're just jealous cause the Blu-Ray version is better."

I don't think we can say that until someone compares the two. What is certain is that it has the potential to be better. I can see how that notion offends crybabies like Truth Teller who love to pretend that HD DVD represented the zenith of HD.

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Truth Teller @ May 26th 2008 12:25PM

* quote
DrXym

What is certain is that it has the potential to be better.
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Well there you go folks;
if all else fails then substitute a blind belief that things *might* be better (despite it never being the case so far on any comparable like for like dual format offering = Paramount proved it).
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* quote
DrXym

I can see how that notion offends crybabies like Truth Teller who love to pretend that HD DVD represented the zenith of HD.
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And there's the pathetic strawman argument.

I never have said "HD DVD represented the zenith of HD".

I have said that Blu-ray in comparison to HD DVD offered nothing tangible that HD DVD did not and all for substantially more money.

In short Blu-ray is the inferior video medium which has far less appeal to the mainstream mass-market.

That's a zillion miles away from DrFu*kwit's infantile & idiotic claims.

.....oh, and yes, you're right, I'm crying alright.
Unfortunately for you not in the sense of your desperately weak "crybaby" jibe but tears of laughter at the thought of how much you are going to be paying for the same high def movies I've bought for peanuts.

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DrXym @ May 26th 2008 2:21PM

"I never have said "HD DVD represented the zenith of HD"

Really?

"Seems like everyone is coming around to the fact that at worst HD DVD is only equalled by Blu-ray. At best HD DVD leads Blu-ray in image and sound quality as well as being a finished format with a range of players etc etc. "

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/08/22/michael-bay-drinks-the-kool-aid-now-supports-hd-dvd/

And so on. The same vein of stupidity runs through your entire posting history dismissing Blu Ray as UMD, as a format for "console kiddies" etc.

Grow up baby your precious format lost.

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Truth Teller @ May 26th 2008 6:19PM

'Dr Sadsack'

Sorry but if the best you can come up with to 'prove' your own idiotic assertion that I have said "HD DVD represented the zenith of HD" is an accurate critique I once gave of how underwhelming Blu-ray is in comparison to HD DVD then once again you fail, miserably.

You really are cr@p at this kind of thing aren't you?

I suspect comprehension and logic are just things that passed you by.

Maybe English isn't your 1st language?

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xemumanic @ May 25th 2008 5:16PM

Well, at least this time, the movie will be on a format that has the capacity for both the original features AND lossless audio. And with a second disc, there will be even MORE extras. After all Micheal Bay has said concerning the format war, you can bet dollars to doughnuts, and with much more likelihood than a certain someone assuming it'll use the workaround for PiP, that there will be more extras than on the HD-DVD. Bay is taking this one personal.

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Truth Teller @ May 27th 2008 11:25AM

Neither HD DVD disc came to 30gb.

There was plenty of unused room on the main feature disc for a Dolby Ture HD audio tack if the studio had chosen (over 5gbs was not used).

Once again the half-understood myth & BS of the PS3 fanboys is exposed.

You'll also find that Dolby themselves said a lossless audio track was unnecessary (and therefore would have been a waste of space and a comfort only to spec-sheet jockey d!ckheads who parrot "lossless" at each other as if they know it all.....or at least better than the likes of Dolby; who only have the kind of audio kit you couldn't buy even if you could afford it.......which is just so laughable considering so many of these game console kiddies have a $100 Creative 5.1 'system')

Listen to it & weep console fanboys.....

http://cdn.libsyn.com/hdtvpodcast/HDTV-2007-11-02.mp3

24 minutes in.

Dolby say that, whilst DolbyTrue HD is bit-for-bit identical to the PCM master, DD+ should sound 'transparent to the original'
(eg. identical to our ears).

They say the Transformers DD+ is soundtrack is possibly the best sounding high def disc.

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Mr. E @ May 27th 2008 11:53AM

TT, what do you really expect Dolby to say? "Our lossy codec sucks 'nads, and we're only using it because we're out of space?" Give me a break. I personally think lossless audio is overhyped for very little benefit, but some people love it and swear it's better, so why shouldn't Paramount deliver it now that they have the space? Your fervent stance against lossless audio makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You might as well be saying that 480i DVDs are just as good as 1080p Blu-ray. Oh wait... you are. I rest my case.

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Truth Teller @ May 27th 2008 4:48PM

@ Mr E

1) Dolby would not put their professional reputation on the line when they did not have to.

They could easily have said 'close to' or 'quality very near to', they didn't they actually said publicly 'transparent'.

Spare us your rather childish conspiracy theories, thanks.

2) there was no lack of space, the main feature HD DVD disc had over 5gbs spare and unused.

In fact neither DL HD DVD came close to filling all the available space

(which makes one wonder just how full the 2 Blu-ray discs can possibly be......and just as some of us said at the time, so much for all that BS about how Blu-ray's size meant no more multiple disc issues).

3) I'm not an American putting up with your cr@ppy SD TV resolution.

You have a pi$$-poor & pretty laughable 480 visible lines.

In PAL Europe we have 576 visible lines - which maybe helps explain why a population used to upscaled PAL SD DVD is underwhelmed by so much of the high def product.

4) Try sticking to the truth; I have never said SD resolution is 'as good' as high def.

The issue (for anyone sane) has always been whether the premium high def demands is 'worth' it.

IMO Blu-ray simply isn't.

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Truth Teller @ May 25th 2008 5:23PM

@ JDS

"Better"?

How?

How do you "better" a 'reference quality audio track' by simply having......what?

It's going to be crammed with extras........which many here said were worthless

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xemumanic @ May 25th 2008 5:32PM

Reference quality would be LOSSLESS, first and foremost. No matter how good the compressed equivalent, nothing can sound like the master other than a freaking copy of that master. If not, they wouldn't have spent the time/money creating Dolby TrueHD in the first place.

Secondly, the only reason the HD-DVD didn't have lossless audio was because it _couldn't_ fit, even on a dual layer 30GB HD-DVD. You're trying to downplay this because you know it will on the Blu Ray.

Compared to the HD-DVD, there's a whole 20GB to play around with, if all he did was add lossless audio instead of the compressed version on the other format. The second disc is going to have more extras, not found on the HD-DVD. Anyone who's not a fanboy and thinking clearly would realize this. Just as I said prior, Bay is taking this one personal, so he's going to do all he can to make it the definative version.

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JDS @ May 25th 2008 5:40PM

Truth Teller

Because it is.

The audio will be superior, that's a given.

The extras which I personally do not care for may be of interest to some.

However I do recall during a certain format war that the HD DVD "lovers" were ALWAYS touting HDi, internet connectivity, interactive features & bonus footage as a BFD

Now Blu-ray is getting a feature rich title & you comment negativly about what an old title it is..not about how it is the best selling HD DVD title of all time.

If all you can say is what an old title it is did you really need to say anything at all?

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Truth Teller @ May 25th 2008 6:56PM

This is 'better' nonsense is just sheer delusion.

The visual image will not be "better" - in fact I'd bet the house that the main feature will be the same identical encode.

As for the audio?

If Dolby themselves (with the kind of audio kit that no-one else can even buy nevermind afford) say that the HD DVD Transformers audio track was to reference standard (and they did)
then waving a label at me and expecting me to go along with it being 'better' just because of that label is not going to happen.

It will not be audibly different, no matter how much you kid yourself.......and the PS3 kids with their $100 Creative 5.1 set-ups sure as hell are not going to hear any difference whatsoever......and that holds true even for the Onkyo 605 guys.

Come on, get real.

Actually I myself have never written off all the extras as some have (some of which I have found very interesting & enjoyable).
I was merely repeating what so many of the Blu-ray fans have said about them, repeatedly here.
And you know it.

You'll also find that I have never said anything but the most negative things about this title (and the rest of Michael Bay's 'work').

Be honest, this is the worst kind of laughably shallow infantile sh!te.

In fact I find it a very poor reflection on our times that it was the highest peak week selling HD DVD title
(tho whether it turns out to be in total sales I wouldn't like to hazzard a guess, maybe, sadly).

You might not find commenting on how old this movie now is a valid point but I'm hardly alone there.
It's a poor film but now it is pretty ancient.......and for the type of kid's movie it is that does count.
The kids have moved on.
Undoubtedly it'll be trumpeted as a showcase title what with the visual effects etc tho, but it's a showcase so many saw many months ago.

It'll still sell to the 'PS3 demographic', of course.

Whether it does quite as well now and after all this time as some seem to think it will is another matter.
My suspicion is that it'll not quite be the sales success expected by some.

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Mark @ May 26th 2008 4:51AM

@Truth Teller. The HD DVD disc had a Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 lossy track so it wasn't "reference quality". It was widely praised as a great audio track but that doesn't make it reference quality. TrueHD is a mandatory codec in HD DVD which raises the question why they chose a lossy format. The obvious conclusion was the disk had space issues. Your implication that the extra 20Gb space on Blu Ray cannot be put to any good is pure nonsense.

Whether such insubstantial fair as Transformers justifies a TrueHD track is an open question but they have the space to do it if they choose. Unless the post prod folks screw up there is no reason to think that the Blu Ray version won't match or exceed the HD DVD version in every department.

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Truth Teller @ May 26th 2008 11:54AM

@ Mark

It was Dolby themselves that said that they could not tell the difference (and, as I keep reminding you, they use professional sound stages & the type of kit you can't even buy nevermind afford).

I'll take their professional opinion long before I'll take the slightest bit of notice of the PS3 game console fanboy gang if you don't mind.

But you fo ahead, blind yourself to meaningless labels, that's the prime route to suckering the idiotic adolescent male sheeple.

Just be sure to prepare yourself for the disappointment that you neither see nor hear anything different between the 2 versions when you get the chance

(besides a load of extras that until now the Blu-ray fanclub have claimed are worthless)

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XDragon @ May 25th 2008 5:47PM

Sweet, another movie I have to buy!
Next give me Gladiator and Lord Of The Rings; the Matrix and Idiana Jones would be nice too!
With Batman Begins already on the way, after I have all the movies I've mentioned, I'm done replacing the few movies I wanted upgraded!

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Mr. E @ May 25th 2008 6:22PM

Boy, sometimes I wish my must-upgrade list were that short! :)

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XDragon @ May 25th 2008 7:02PM

I may have left a few out lol.
I've already upgraded 13, I've got 17 to go:
LOTR (3)
Gladiator (1)
Transformers (1)
Devil's Advocate (1)
Star Trek TNG movies (4)
Matrix (3)
Indiana Jones (3)
Batman Begins (1)
Then it's just new releases for me :)

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Mark @ May 26th 2008 4:53AM

Indiana Jones is bound to appear on Blu Ray as a boxed set when the latest movie goes retail, i.e. before Christmas.

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Gus @ May 25th 2008 7:25PM

I cant believe all you BR fanboys, for the last 2 years you have ALL been bashing the "extras" associated with profile 2 as being unnecessary, unwanted crap, but now a boatload of extras is coming to this mega movie and all of a sudden the extras are the best thing since sliced bread!

I hope you all enjoy a greater than 30% internet connection rate on your withering format, hypocrites!

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Devils Advocate @ May 25th 2008 7:47PM

Hey asshole,

Why dont you read the comments section a little more closely?

All of us are excited about getting the movie and lossless audio, not about extras. Only one or two comments that I can see talks about how exciting we are to be getting extras.

Btw, Its getting a higher bitrate encode and lossless audio for bluray.

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Truth Teller @ May 25th 2008 9:04PM

The really laughable thing in all of this is shown here - 'higher bitrate' - gets spouted as if that is the be-all and end-all of the matter.

That's just sheer ignorance at work
(which has sadly typified so many of the PS3/Blu-ray fanboys in this 'debate').

Above a certain level 'higher bitrate' does not guarantee anything positive
(and if you go too far with it you just get 'noise', which is not a plus at all).

It's such a shame the Blu-ray fanboys have amnesia.

Paramount originally encoded their dual format releases to cater to Blu-ray's supposedly 'superior' higher bitrates.
It made no difference to the image quality.

Similarly a 'reference standard' Dolby Digital+ audio track is not going to sound any different to the coming uncompressed waste of space, lossless or not.

(and as if lossless means a damned thing to the mass-market either)

I can't wait to see & hear ( :P ) the liars coming in here & pretending that they can really tell the difference on their $100 Creative 5.1 'systems'.

It's also interesting to see the 'debate' once again revolving around the other usual Blu-ray lie
(that Blu-ray always operates at it's max potential).

This is a prime example of the Blu-ray side just flat-out lying & attempting to exploit the less well informed - it's also a significant reason why so many people get turned off by such transparent & obvious attempts at manipulation.

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Gus @ May 25th 2008 9:13PM

Well said Nf and TT, I was going to reply to the cretin, but now I need say no more :)

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ChodalBerryWagon @ May 26th 2008 6:23AM

Geez, what the hell is wrong with all you people??

Who cares if its 'higher bitrate this' and 'lossless audio that'?
Can you actually TRULY tell the difference? When i watch a movie, I don't concentrate on the quality of the video/audio, I actually WATCH the MOVIE!

You can't even tell the difference between 720p and 1080p unless you're sitting like, 2 metres away from the TV.

and who the hell cares if one format will look and sound sliggghtttly better than the other????? Seriously!

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DrXym @ May 26th 2008 7:16AM

"I cant believe all you BR fanboys, for the last 2 years you have ALL been bashing the "extras" associated with profile 2 as being unnecessary, unwanted crap, but now a boatload of extras is coming to this mega movie and all of a sudden the extras are the best thing since sliced bread!"

Do you know what the word "straw man" means? I haven't seen any turn around concerning opinion online content. Indeed, the reaction for the few disks that have it has largely been meh.

Speaking for myself I have been quite vocal that I consider the BD-Live feature to be a gimmick. Being able to hit some generic studio portal, storefront or download trailers is not a killer feature. Perhaps some day we'll see a studio produce an experience that justifies repeat visits, where loyalty is rewarded with free TV show downloads and other things with value. But for now, it is an entirely and absolutely skippable gimmick.

Indeed even HD DVD owners knew it was a gimmick too. Only 1/3 of users bothered to go online and only 1/3 of those returned when automatically notified of new content. That's pathetic considering we're talking about tech-savvy early adopters.

The only people who seem to care about it are idiots like yourself and Nfinity who seem to think that internet connectivity is such a killer feature that a profile 1.1 player which has no network connectivity is somehow "incomplete".

So pray tell me which of the few HD DVD disks with internet features made such great use of it that it justified hooking up your player to get it? It's a simple enough question. One which I've asked you before and you seem reluctant to answer. Just one disk?

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Gus @ May 26th 2008 7:38PM

Xym,
I have openly said many times before, that i personally don't care for internet connectivity with regard to HD discs either, but that is not the point. I think it is a terrific marketing idea, it is without question, IMO, what any "next generation format" should represent, an extra point of difference for DVD, an extra small justification for the price gouge.

For the 30% who did use it, good on them, and for anyone who uses the feature on BR good for them as well..... and 1 in 3 people used it on HD DVD, I think thats a huge result, much higher than I would have estimated, what a wonderful marketing opportunity for the movie studios!
If I had an internet an connection close to my player, I would have used it, and I'm sure my kids would have had lots of fun with it, had I connected it.
The other point also XYM, lets be honest here, BR needs all the help it can get if it wants market penetration, BR is really only of any real value to people who have a large HD TV, so any point of difference the format can offer, whether you or I like it or not, is a positive, especially when marketing to the younger generation, and maybe there also lies the point of difference,............ old fossils like you might not like this feature, but I'm sure the younger set would love it, given time and market exposure, it could be a huge asset for attracting the younger generation to the format.
My kids love anything to do with the internet or any thing that is interactive, it's called "NEXT GENERATION".

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DrXym @ May 27th 2008 8:40AM

So if you consider BD-Live (or internet enabled HDi) is a marketing idea, where is your objection to people who can live without it, who want a 1.1 player? If someone wants it, they can have it in a PS3 or a number of other 2.0 or 2.0 ready players which are just appearing. And if they don't, then they can get a 1.1 player. Claiming it is a marketing idea means you yourself cannot see any real reason that someone should buy a 2.0 player if they don't want to.

If studios were to use it in a non-superficial way to reward people for their purchases, allowing them to download music and videos (not just trailers), THEN it might be interesting. For now it is just a waste of time.

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MrLuna @ May 25th 2008 9:24PM

Devils Advocate,

Lossless audio and whatever else is on that extra 20GB you guys are talking about is not extras?

The point is Blu-Ray IS the inferior format, Having more space per disk doesn't make up for having a DVD Player that can only have better resolution and audio, but nothing else in terms of improvement over DVD.

To deny that HDDVD was actually a step up in every respect from DVD would be idiotic. DVD improved everything about VHS, and HDDVD followed that thinking with MORE features in every disc AND every player.

What did bluray offer? OH, more space per disk so now we can have a better resolution! what else? hmmm...eventually what HDDVD came out with two years ago.

The reason why most of us here think most Blu-Ray addicts are hypocrates is precisely because of all of this. You are all just makin' excuses constantly because no one likes to admit they did not make the proper purchase. And even though HD DVD lost the format war, i still think i made the better purchase, with a player that was actually an improvement over what my PS2 or regular DVD player can do other than improve resolution.

You guys paid $400 plus dollars on a DVD player than can display better resolution and better audio, and has hope for a better tomorrow.

HDDVD owners bought a next-generation player that improved in every regard to its predecessor, from the player to the disk to the features and even the future.

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Gus @ May 25th 2008 10:31PM

Well said.

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Devils Advocate @ May 25th 2008 11:18PM

Great response Nfinity, Truth Teller and Gus.

I hope all of enjoy Iron Man, Dark Knight and Indiana Jones on HD-DVD and On demand.

A bigger congratulations needs to the engadget staff for turning the comments section into the Truth Teller, and Nfinity show.

Its great comedy.

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Devils Advocate @ May 25th 2008 11:26PM

@Mr. Luna

What EXCUSES are we making???? Nobody around here has ANY shame in purchasing bluray and you are NUTS if you think that we ARE making excuses. We are excited about getting a proper release of Transformers on bluray and we are hypocrites for that?

WHAT??

Your post makes NO sense at all.

You're talking like HD-DVD was superior in every way, when in fact it was the complete opposite was true.

Seriously, tell me what is it that HD-DVD could do that bluray cant and in fact cant do better?

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Mark @ May 26th 2008 4:59AM

The HD DVD defence force springs out of the woodwork with their lame arguments and straw men at the drop of the hat. Hasn't someone told them their format is dead?

I'm getting a kick out of MrLuna wildly trying to pretend blu-ray is not an advance over DVD but HD DVD was when both HD formats have a virtually identical featureset.

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