Nielsen VideoScan High-Def market share for week ending May 18th, 2008
Two new releases make it to the top of this week's Nielsen VideoScan chart courtesy of Home Media Magazine. But even though Blu-ray sales were up 21.71% this week over last, it wasn't enough to help Blu-ray obtain more than 5 percent of the top 20 sales. This, like the past few weeks, has mostly been because half of the DVD top 20, still aren't available on Blu-ray. The big titles on DVD that are missing this week, are the first three Indiana Jones movies, which are evidently very popular thanks to the fourth movie hitting theaters. We can't wait to see how -- or if -- the market share changes with Paramount Blu-ray titles coming out in the coming weeks, and finally Universal in July. Of course that still leaves Weinstein exclusively releasing on DVD, but this only accounts for one of the top 20 DVDs this week. For whatever reason HMM didn't have its new market share per title chart in this week's edition, but we sure to hope it's there next week when the biggest day and date title for Blu-ray in some time hits the streets in the way of National Treasure: Book of Secrets.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
dan @ May 24th 2008 12:02AM
yea
this is great!
the past few weeks havent been good, but look at this!
this is great!!
Nfinity @ May 24th 2008 12:07AM
LOL.. I'm glad you feel that 5% of top 20 sales is great.. for the rest of us, sane ones, that's a dump..or pathetic..
dan @ May 24th 2008 8:32PM
no no no Nfinity you got me all wrong.
im not lookeing at that chart. yes, i know, that is a dump, BUT being UP 20% is a very good thing
im not a bluray fanboy, ive been purple until january, then i just realized who was going to win no matter what happened, payoffs or not, bluray won.
i am SANE
Jnas @ May 24th 2008 3:46AM
@Nfinity
"sane"
LOL. Sure.
You expect a format that has only just won the HD format war a few months ago to have more than 5% against a format that has been around as the leading format for more than 10 years...
Be realistic.
DrXym @ May 24th 2008 4:49AM
20% leap caused by a single title. I know the usual crybabies won't acknowledge this but sales are obviously reflective of the titles. As outrageous as it might seem studios weren't releasing many decent titles in April / May.
Instead they were holding them back for Father's day and they're coming from about now onwards. I fully expect sales from May 20 onwards to be much higher than anything seen in the last few months.
Dave @ May 24th 2008 1:42AM
Great improvement this week :) For Blu-ray ;)
loosely_coupled @ May 24th 2008 3:05AM
Of course it's only going to be 5% when HALF OF THE TOP 20 DVDs ARENT EVEN AVAILABLE ON BLU-RAY!
What they should do is show the ratio for ONLY THE MOVIES AVAILABLE ON BOTH FORMATS IN THE TOP 20. In that case, I bet its over 10%!
DrXym @ May 24th 2008 4:38AM
This demonstrates (as if it weren't obvious) that sales are sensitive to what titles are actually on sale. The release lineup starting next week and through June looks pretty strong so I would expect the sales to reflect that.
XDragon @ May 24th 2008 8:10AM
I thought National Treasure 1&2 would be in this week's post but its in next weeks. My little bro works at best buy and he said he couldn't keep the shelves full of National Treasure 2 on Blu so it has me very interested in seeng how it did compared to the Dvd.
DrXym @ May 24th 2008 5:05PM
It's consistently #3 on Amazon.com so I suspect its selling very well. Never saw NT2, but NT was pretty awful.
Truth Teller @ May 24th 2008 8:14AM
American spent under $8 million on Blu-ray last week.
That's the real point, forget that '20% extra' (of almost nothing) it's still almost nothing, as would 100% extra have been.
The blindly devoted Blu-boys won't want to see it but if you hionestly think these numbers are anything but enormously disappointing to the Blu-ray industry then I want some of whatever you're smoking.
Meanwhile I just got The Matrix Triology HD DVD set for £15/$30.
No sh!t.
(......and DrXy if you honestly imagine that's reason for me or anyone else to cry about anything then you're even dumber than you come across as here)
why not the LS2LS7? @ May 24th 2008 10:52AM
Why would this be enormously disappointing?
You think the BluRay consortium doesn't understand that it'll take a while for BluRay to grow?
DrXym @ May 24th 2008 11:55AM
The figures aren't "enormously disappointing". That's just you projecting your crybaby hate onto anything Blu Ray. Grow up baby, your precious format lost.
HD4ME @ May 25th 2008 1:27AM
"Meanwhile I just got The Matrix Triology HD DVD set for £15/$30."
....Where from TT, I wanna get me some of that action!!
HD4ME @ May 25th 2008 1:30AM
DR Xym, you are always good for a laugh, HD DVD might be dead but blu ray is on life support.
DrXym @ May 25th 2008 4:46AM
HD4ME, your imagination has long since departed from reality. Blu Ray is doing just fine. I'll be intrigued to see how you crybabies cope with consistent sales increases Blu Ray is likely to experience from June until Christmas.
Truth Teller @ May 25th 2008 1:50PM
@ HD4ME
The Matrix boxset was from 'The Hut' (thehut.com).
They are (surprise surprise) right now out of stock but they say they will have more stock in on June 2nd.
I got the Battlestar Galactica boxset for the same cost from DVD.CO.UK.
The Hut have all the Warner movies @ £4.50/$9.
Amazing value.
No need to take a chance with Blu-ray, even their holiday special prices can't match these
(and you'll note that many of the $15 movies JDS mentions in his post @12.38pm have been out on HD DVD for ages & are now 1/3 or 1/2 less than that 'special' Blu-ray price).
But I've no doubt they're having a good go at the US - in large part cos high def in the US is more 'visible'.
(the US NTSC TV standard def is a pretty pi$$-poor 480 visible lines, here in PAL Europe we get 576 visible lines which may help explain why so many here are underwhelmed and think the expected premium simply isn't worth it)
But the PS3 is nowhere near $299/£150 here in the UK or Europe.
The 40gb model is (according to Pricerunner) £280/$560 (the 60gb is £424/$848!).
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/cl/52/Game-Consoles?man_id=25
No wonder it's all gone t!ts up for the PS3 as a game console
(still welded in 3rd place in the console wars despite all the 'any minute now it's gonna......' BS).
JDS @ May 24th 2008 8:29AM
http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA6563664
Electronics specialists expect Blu-ray to outpace DVD sales
By Susanne Ault -- Video Business, 5/23/2008
MAY 23 | High-end consumer electronics retailers expect set-top Blu-ray players to begin outselling DVD players by August, as a wave of new models eases current supply problems.
Since the format war ended in February, demand for BD players by early adopters has been higher than that for standard DVD at Ultimate Electronics, Crutchfield and Bjorn’s. But there has been too little BD product available for the retailers to realize the format’s potential. The stores believe they should finally have adequate supply by August, as Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Philips and Pioneer will be launching new BD set-tops.
Samsung’s first picture-in-picture model, the BD-P1500, rolled out at Best Buy this month, and should spread widely at retail soon. Sony’s first BD-Live player, the BDP-S350, and Panasonic’s first BD-Live model, DMP-BD50, will hit stores in July. Pioneer’s BDP-51FD and Elite BDP-05FD, the manufacturer’s first picture-in-picture models, are expected by the July-August frame as well.
Manufacturers, including Panasonic, have said that production hasn’t kept pace with demand because the war ended sooner than expected.
“People have been waiting weeks for Sony players, but it should get better later in the summer,” said Rick Souder, executive VP of merchandise at Crutchfield. “In August, it will be the first time that Blu-ray overtakes [standard DVD] sales for us on a unit basis.”
For some time, revenue on relatively higher-priced BD set-tops has trumped standard DVD at Crutchfield. Currently, the dollar split is 60% Blu-ray and 40% standard.
Besides consumers’ growing confidence in this one high-def format choice, retailers note the February 2009 digital TV transition also is sparking interest in Blu-ray.
“I think HD of any kind is experiencing a lift, as people become more cognizant of the DTV transition,” said Matt Duda, Ultimate Electronics merchandising director of video. “People wonder if they need a new TV, and it’s a great time for retail to capitalize on that. Just getting that footstep in the door is a great way to educate consumers about all high-def products.”
Ultimate Electronics’ BD revenue will surpass that of standard DVD for the first time by August, projects Duda. On a unit basis, BD sales still trail standard DVD at Ultimate.
“There should be a healthy supply by August and [manufacturers] should be caught up in production,” said Duda. “You’re getting five to eight new [BD] players in the market, and you’ll see Blu-ray catching up with standard DVD.”
The retailer is already planning to roll out in-store seminars about the new Panasonic players, as they will represent some of the first set-tops that can access Web content.
With this hardware ramp-up, Bjorn’s will be moving virtually all BD players within its home entertainment area. The upscale San Antonio superstore expects to shift from 70% BD unit sales/30% standard to 90% BD/10% standard by the end of the summer.
Bjorn’s recently carved out a Sony-branded store-within-a-store boutique. But Bjorn’s currently isn’t offering any Sony players. Also troublesome, Bjorn’s owner Bjorn Dybdahl and his team are fond of pumping profits by selling high-def TV and BD hardware together. But the retailer hasn’t been able to offer these bundle deals for much of this year.
“Everyone is trying to assure us the supply is going to get better,” said owner Bjorn Dybdahl. “Right now it’s a hindrance.”
Mr. E @ May 25th 2008 5:09PM
What? Blu-ray players outselling DVD players within a few months? But, that can't possibly be!! There are at least FIVE highly educated people here who absolutely refuse to buy Blu-ray and they say it's dead already. Video Business is obviously on the Sony dole.
/Sarcasm
JDS @ May 24th 2008 8:40AM
http://www.blu-raystats.com/NewsLog/2008/05/23/blu-ray-player-news-bd-live-chinese-players-expected/
Blu-ray Player News - BD Live, Chinese Players Expected
Via Format War Central you can read that Video Business is reporting that high-end consumer electronics retailers expect set-top Blu-ray players to begin outselling DVD players by August. Also revealed is that the Sony BDP-S350 and Panasonic DMP-BD50, will hit stores in July. Both are reportedly BD Live capable players.
Over at ZDNetAsia we read that eleven Chinese disc manufacturers have been authorized by Blu-ray Disc Association to produce Blu-Ray discs and disc players next year. Interesting to note this article states that the BDA’s member number has increased to 187 while that of International DVD Forum has decreased to 163.
We also see that Home Media Magazine summarises the players coming to the market, including the Daewoo BDP-1000 (pictured) and 2000 BD Live capable players with 1080p 24 mode, 1 GB of storage, SD Memory Card slot and HDMI 1.3, due in the fall. They also list the Panasonic DMP-BD50, two Sony’s (BDR S350 and S550) and the Playstation 3 for BD Live capability.
For Bonus View players they list the two Pioneer (BDP 51FD and 05FD), the Sharp BD-HP50, Marantz BD8002, the Philips BDP7200, Sylvania NB500, Samsung BD-P1500 and the Denon 2500, along with a quick summary of features. Well worth a look.
We also read via Digital Bits that Denon is considering a Blu-ray player with SACD and DVD-Audio multichannel playback.
All in all is it pretty easy to see that there will be quite a range of players to choose from and from the VB article it is pretty clear to see that at least the player market has quickly become a nice money maker for the consumer electronics industry, having already overtaken the saturated DVD player market with respect to revenues.
James @ May 24th 2008 9:26AM
Another bad week for Blu-ray. I'm shocked, a high end store actually sells more BD models than DVD. I'm shocked.
MrLuna @ May 24th 2008 10:26AM
Those Analyst were the same that said the PS3 would be the first to reach 25 million, that the wii wouldn't sell more than 25 million for the whole console wars. We can see the Wii took both categories.
Predictions are just that, predictions. I swear to you i almost could've predicted that my HD-DVD player had a big chance of winning by the middle of December 2007, but guess what happened? Yeah.
As much as you want to criticize Truth Teller and Nfinity they have a point, 5% of total marketshare for anything is nothing, specially for a technology 2 years old. 20%^ increase is also nothing, remember that it's a percentage and it can mean anything. Whats a 20% increase of 1 million in sales? 200k, now is really 200k increase (hypotetically) ANYTHING against even the tiniest of DVD sales? i think most DVDs reach that within a day, if not hours for the most popular ones.
At the rate this is going, the Blu camp won't have 30% marketshare by the year's end even, specially with streaming and downloadable markets slowly but steadily approaching.
why not the LS2LS7? @ May 24th 2008 10:50AM
No analyst worth their salt would have predicted HD-DVD was going to win, and I can't think of any that did.
JDS @ May 24th 2008 10:58AM
MrLuna
Quote: "At the rate this is going, the Blu camp won't have 30% marketshare by the year's end even, specially with streaming and downloadable markets slowly but steadily approaching."
"streaming and downloadable markets" will impact rentals not sales
MrLuna @ May 24th 2008 11:13AM
JDS,
Quote: "streaming and downloadable markets will impact rentals not sales"
It will impact Blu-ray/DVD sales if more services like the Apple TV come out, where now you can actually own some of the movies. As soon as one of these services lets you rip the movie to a DVD/VCD, then it'll impact the weakest link even more, which is currently Blu-ray (out of the two).
My point is that Blu-ray is not really gaining, and whatever it does gain it seems to lose it the week after. Like the Author here said, we'll have to see from next week 'till beginning of July, but if you don't see the marketshare spike up to at least 15% by then with all those realeases and only Weinstein movies missing, then i don't see much of a Blu future this year.
DrXym @ May 24th 2008 11:58AM
You'd have to be nuts to buy a movie to own on Apple's service or Amazon Unbox. New titles cost $15 for an SD quality movie. For that price you may as well buy the DVD.
MrLuna @ May 24th 2008 11:23AM
Why not the LS2LS7?,
Quote: "No analyst worth their salt would have predicted HD-DVD was going to win, and I can't think of any that did."
Here's a link of some analyst saying HD DVD was the eventual victor:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/format-war/businessweek-says-blu+ray-ahead-analysts-predict-hd-dvd-ftw-332434.php
However, my point was that I THOUGHT PERSONALLY MYSELF ON MY OWN OPINION, that by December 2007 my HD DVD purchased was the right one, i didnt say some analyst said that, clear? However as you can see above, analysts predict anything.
why not the LS2LS7? @ May 24th 2008 2:00PM
Thanks for the tip. Now I know that Diffusion Group isn't worth their salt.
JDS @ May 24th 2008 11:30AM
The past month or so has been very light on solid new release titles.
This past week with National Treasure 2 was the first solid title in a while. Along with all the previously released Paramount / DreamWorks titles there were a lot of titles released this past Tuesday
I agree it should be very telling from this week through the end of August as the schedule is full of solid new release titles. September - the 2008 holidays is also starting to fill up..Iron Man, Indiana Jones / Crystal Kingdom, SpeedRacer etc...Iron Man can already be pre-ordered on Amazon.
Regarding download services that let you rip the movie to a DVD/VCD "legally"....personally I don't think that will ever happen. Maybe Sly-Soft will find a way but not "legally" or mainstream.
Just my opinion & I could be wrong.
Nfinity @ May 24th 2008 12:17PM
What does a solid title mean? Jesus Christ.. it's not true it was a the ONLY solid title. No Country for Old men and other great movies were out. So STFU.
The problem here is that Blu-Ray sales spike up 10-20 or 30% from existing pathetic numbers when a GAMER movie comes out.
For example, there won't be a surprise when Blu-Ray sales go up on Iron Man because it's a gamer movie and will be sold to whoever has a PS3.
But as said numerous times this was the problem from the start. How long do you think it will take until all studios wise up and stop releasing Blu-ray titles of their movies that don't appeal to the gamer crowd as nobody is buying them?
Jesus you are dense.
why not the LS2LS7? @ May 24th 2008 2:02PM
Nfinity:
It's very logical the sales of a high-def format would spike when a title comes out that is a special effects extravaganza. Movies that are already eye candy are the kind of movies that are most improved by viewing them in Hi-Def.
Are you trying to insult BluRay here? I can't discern your point.
MrLuna @ May 24th 2008 12:17PM
DrXym Wrote: "You'd have to be nuts to buy a movie to own on Apple's service or Amazon Unbox. New titles cost $15 for an SD quality movie. For that price you may as well buy the DVD."
Exactly, but buyin' it HD it's still around or cheaper than a new Blu-ray release. But that's besides the point, the fact is they are already doing it. And as soon as services like netflix, Xbox Live Market Place, etc spread out, there will be a real competition for both, consumers and in prices. These services are still just starting, when the real competition starts between them, that's when they'll bring it to Discs.
It may not happen, but Blu still has more to worry about than just DVD.
Nfinity @ May 24th 2008 1:09PM
MrLuna, you are a very wise man and very objective. Props. Everything you say is 100% dead on.
What's interesting too if you look at the titles that are sold good, it shows the weakness of Blu-Ray format and the lack of SA player market.
Top titles on the list:
1. Chronicles of Narnia
2. I am Legend
3. The Golden Compass
4. 300
5. iRobot
6. Independence Day
etc etc.. ALL gamer movies..
and INCREDIBLE movies like: Pan's Labyrinth, Troy, No Country for Old men, Black Hawk Down, Juno are dead last.
This is EXACTLY the problem that we were all pointing out. When you sell a game console, you are selling it to technophiles and gamers.
It's a matter of time really, when a studio see that releasing anything but gamer type movies actually costs them money and they don't make anything back because the target audience is not there.
In order to reach this target audience the prices need to be $200 or less for the player and thus we see why Toshiba was right to push SA players for cheap. That's how you grow a format.
If gamers continue buying gamer-appealing movies and everything else is "boring", that will be exactly the reason why Blu-Ray will be dead as a door nail, not to mention your completely logical and correct notion that digital downloads are already taking over.
People don't understand, once the SD digital downloads take off.. there's NO BARRIER for any of these services to offer HD because the system will be already in place. The only difference is that they will need to pay for more pipe but that gets taken care of as more and more people use these services. It's not like HD digital downloads require a new replication factory to operate. They will already have an infrastructure. Simple.
Overall.. I think that with a few upcoming summer blockbuster movies like Iron Man, Hulk or Batman will raise Blu-Ray numbers somewhat but it's all again illusion as these are all gamer type movies, PS3 kids will buy every copy and after that.. DUD.. back to 4-5%.. and once studios realize that, when the Sony subsidization runs out probably by end of this year they paid studios to screw over Toshiba, studios will slowly start releasing only movies on Blu-Ray they know they can get some money from and eventually stop the production all together especially when they see how much money digital downloads will be bringing them with no packaging or additional marketing or replication costs.
JDS @ May 24th 2008 2:09PM
nfinity
1st of all who made you an authority on ANYTHING...that you would coin the phrase 'gamer movie".....
1. Chronicles of Narnia
2. I am Legend
3. The Golden Compass
4. 300
5. iRobot
6. Independence Day
Are not gamer movies [what ever that means]
None were video games prior to being Blockbuster movies that all did well at the box office except The Golden Compass which tanked...if you listed Resident Evil then most would understand as it was a game prior to being a movie but none on your list were games converted into movies.
Chronicles of Narnia is a series of books by CS Lewis that are more than 50 years old. [published from 1950 – 1956] If this is as you put it a gamer movie then so would the Lord of the Rings trilogy..which is not.
If anything, your term "gamer movie" shows your lack of depth, of history etc....shows your age & level of maturity.
iRobot is Isaac Asimov and also much older than any video game, 1st published in 1950
I am legend is Phillip K. Dick and again much older than any video game, published in 1954
300 is based on a graphic novel by Frank Miller
Just because these are hugely successful blockbuster motion pictures doesn't give you the carte blanch to invent terms & categories just to serve your ego & sense of self-importance.
You aren't an authority on anything, dork.
Nfinity @ May 24th 2008 6:19PM
STFU retard..nobody is talking to you..
SimbaDogg @ May 25th 2008 5:48AM
@ JDS...
this is why nfinity is so classic,
STFU nobody is talking to you? such a great comeback when you're trying to have a debate w/ someone :thumbdown: i've actually gotten in quite the habit of voting down his posts before i even read them. kinda mean of me, but i enjoy it
Spiza @ May 25th 2008 6:58PM
Troy was awful.
Pan's Labyrinth doesn't do as well with American audiences because of subtitles. I think Passion of the Christ is really the only film that's broken through subtitles here. We're just not used to it. I'm guessing the DVD sales were also poor.
Totally agree on everything else, but they won't drop blu-ray. How long did it take to drop laser disc?
Nfinity @ May 24th 2008 12:26PM
What does a solid title mean? Jesus Christ.. it's not true it was a the ONLY solid title. No Country for Old men and other great movies were out. So STFU.
The problem here is that Blu-Ray sales spike up 10-20 or 30% from existing pathetic numbers when a GAMER movie comes out.
For example, there won't be a surprise when Blu-Ray sales go up on Iron Man because it's a gamer movie and will be sold to whoever has a PS3.
But as said numerous times this was the problem from the start. How long do you think it will take until all studios wise up and stop releasing Blu-ray titles of their movies that don't appeal to the gamer crowd as nobody is buying them?
Jesus you are dense.
JDS @ May 24th 2008 12:39PM
nfinity
your problem is that you are so anti-social that you have no idea how to communicate with other people...as far as a person you are seriously lacking...you must have been abused during your teen years...probablly still are based on how quickly you feel the need to go on the offensive
you could have easily disagreed with my opinion without a condescending personal attack
No Country for Old Men came out March 11, 2008 and was not released during the 3 or 4 weeks where Blu-Ray sales volume dropped..mid-April through current
and No Country for Old Men out performed its sales estimates
in the past 4 - 6 weeks there have been few solid titles if any, a solid title being one that is expected to make waves not ripples
and Iron Man & its almost $500 million in global revenue in 2 weeks is more than a gamer title...it was a comic book 30 before pong was even invented
you STFU I wasn't even talking to you....I wasn't responding to one of your ridiculous self serving ego driven posts
you think this blog revolves around you & your opinion
get a clue DH
gbys
Nfinity @ May 24th 2008 1:15PM
My god you are sad.. I still can't believe you are 38. You must be lying cause if you are, that's the saddest example of overgrown child if I ever saw one.
JDS @ May 24th 2008 12:42PM
nfinity
are you so impatient a child that you feel the need to post the same baseless attack twice?
don't through a tantrum because the blog isn't moving fast enough......
Nfinity @ May 24th 2008 1:11PM
I think it's safe to say that we can start calling Blu-Ray BD DUD this year and BD DEAD next year.
JDS @ May 24th 2008 1:47PM
nfinity
I think it's safe to say you lack any credibility due to the fact that you didn't refute any of the points I made but instead resorted to a baseless attack.
You suffer from SDM. [Get a life.]
And by the way, what does my age have to do with anything? What reason would I have to lie about my age?
Are you just not accustomed to speaking with adults? Still eating at the kids table? Still sitting in a high chair & riding in the car seat?
That's OK once you're a big boy you can wear pull-ups.
why not the LS2LS7? @ May 24th 2008 2:04PM
Dear engadgethd:
I don't come here to read unadulterated hatred and I don't think your other readers do either. It is time take action on Nfinity. He isn't just putting forth opinions or even stirring up discussion. He's spewing nonsensical, offensive hatred.
You need to consider if Nfinity's actions are hurting your readers' enjoyment of your site and if you really want that to be the case.
p @ May 24th 2008 2:34PM
I actually enjoy his inane banter.
It's like watching some knob-end self-destruct on one of those reality tv shows. Compelling for all the wrong reasons.
Jimmy @ May 24th 2008 4:41PM
I second this motion.
Nfinity @ May 24th 2008 6:23PM
I think you need to grow some thicker skin. What do you think that only opinions that suit you should be out there? How old are you 10?
My opinion is always explained. I answer with trash talk to fanboy retards that frequent these forums.
Now go cry to you mommy more.
Nfinity @ May 24th 2008 6:29PM
Blu-Ray is going down the tubes, digital downloads are the future in the next year or two we will see it go mainstream on HD and the only reason we are seeing Blu-Ray now is because of corporate payoffs and retail blackmails. Not one standard succeeded when pushed like that, not to mention that they fucked up a perfectly great standard that was finished and better actually in features then Blu-Ray.
And now it hurts you fanboys that regular people are right when they said that Blu-Ray will blow.
Also, don't express your hate because I have a different opinion when I say that your PS3 BLOWS and will always be dead last compared to Xbox 360 and Wii and I think the fact that I'm talking about these things openly hurts you so bad because deep down you know it's true.
Hey it's Sony's tradition.. they pretty much mess up everything they do and you should maybe pick something that's actually consumer friendly instead of crying like a little bitch.
Mr. E @ May 25th 2008 5:19PM
Nfinity, not that it really matters to the long-term health of Blu-ray, but the PS3 is going to be surpassing the XB360 in worldwide total sales very soon. Not that I care, having both, but you're operating on very old data. Time to update yourself.
JJ @ May 24th 2008 7:07PM
Wow Nfinity....Did Sony kill your parents or something?
Of course nevermind DVD was pushed on people over VHS with no viable competing format,
But you are right... Nintendo and Microsoft and even Toshiba ALWAYS have the consumer in mind...of course they never think about lining their pockets like sony.
Come off your high horse man, Digital Downloads are still years away from being viable for more than 5% of the population at any accessible speeds.
I find it funny you'll diss game consoles, and HDTVs and such in your arguments and then you'll do a 180 if it comes to something you personally (for whatever reason) agree on.
Did the fact that HDDVD got shut down hurt your feelings that much on physical media you had to go to the polar opposite?
Is it even worth arguing over at this point? Digital Downloads or physical media... dont you think these companies will make their money either way it goes?