"this was Pioneer's own setup designed to make us believe precisely that ..."
Yeah, looks like the settings on the panels might have been configured to emphasize black level differences. I can't believe properly calibrated modern LCD panels are that sh*tty with black levels. Especially that Samsung LED LCD -- it's supposed to do quite well with black.
I agree. I've compared the black levels of the original kuro, to the Samsung 81 LED's, and they are nearly the same. I expect the Samsung second gen led tv to equal this new kuro.
It's the long exposure time on the camera shot - it exaggerates the black levels on the LCDs because extra light is coming in over the long exposure time.
I guarantee the KURO still dominated in person, but the difference wouldn't be as exaggerated between the plasmas and LCDs.
Sure I wouldn't put it past Pioneer to screw with the calibration on the other brands, but the camera exposure is treating them all equally, so you can't blame that.
I have to set the record straight here. That picture is crap! I have owned the 81 Series Samsung LED backit LCD and considered the KURO as well at time of purchase. They each have their advantages, but this pictures is a hideous comparison. First off, fast moving bright white dots on the screen will make the entire backlight turn on with no local dimming opportunity. The exposure on the camera is almost certainly more than the human eye would see. Also, the contrast on the Samsung 81 series is amazing from the front and gradually loses contrast to the sides. So if you were to simply flip the location of the Kuro and the Samsung LCD LED, this picture would look VERY different. Also, in some scenes where the Samsung 81 can locally dim, there is no backlight and the black is as dark as possible. Even in a dark room, I cannot see the bezel of my TV with the local dimming enabled.
So what I'm saying here is that if you want a TV that MUST have great contrast at off-angles, the KURO is for you. But if you sit in front of your TV and don't want a space heater in your room, the Samsung 81 will deliver. Oh, and the Samsung 81 makes for the best computer monitor imaginable.
Valkyrie-MT Samsung LNT-5281F 52" of LED Backlit LCD goodness!
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clads01 @ May 7th 2008 5:12PM
"this was Pioneer's own setup designed to make us believe precisely that ..."
Yeah, looks like the settings on the panels might have been configured to emphasize black level differences. I can't believe properly calibrated modern LCD panels are that sh*tty with black levels. Especially that Samsung LED LCD -- it's supposed to do quite well with black.
catbertz @ May 7th 2008 5:20PM
I agree. I've compared the black levels of the original kuro, to the Samsung 81 LED's, and they are nearly the same. I expect the Samsung second gen led tv to equal this new kuro.
TrentD @ May 8th 2008 8:48AM
It's the long exposure time on the camera shot - it exaggerates the black levels on the LCDs because extra light is coming in over the long exposure time.
I guarantee the KURO still dominated in person, but the difference wouldn't be as exaggerated between the plasmas and LCDs.
eric f. @ May 8th 2008 9:43AM
@ TrentD,
Sure I wouldn't put it past Pioneer to screw with the calibration on the other brands, but the camera exposure is treating them all equally, so you can't blame that.
Valkyrie-MT @ May 31st 2008 12:17PM
I have to set the record straight here. That picture is crap! I have owned the 81 Series Samsung LED backit LCD and considered the KURO as well at time of purchase. They each have their advantages, but this pictures is a hideous comparison. First off, fast moving bright white dots on the screen will make the entire backlight turn on with no local dimming opportunity. The exposure on the camera is almost certainly more than the human eye would see. Also, the contrast on the Samsung 81 series is amazing from the front and gradually loses contrast to the sides. So if you were to simply flip the location of the Kuro and the Samsung LCD LED, this picture would look VERY different. Also, in some scenes where the Samsung 81 can locally dim, there is no backlight and the black is as dark as possible. Even in a dark room, I cannot see the bezel of my TV with the local dimming enabled.
So what I'm saying here is that if you want a TV that MUST have great contrast at off-angles, the KURO is for you. But if you sit in front of your TV and don't want a space heater in your room, the Samsung 81 will deliver. Oh, and the Samsung 81 makes for the best computer monitor imaginable.
Valkyrie-MT
Samsung LNT-5281F 52" of LED Backlit LCD goodness!