http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/ Engadget HD Comments for Pioneer introduces Elite BDP-05FD / BDP-51FD Blu-ray players http://www.engadgethd.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgethd.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 9:52AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 10:14AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 12:41PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 5:06PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/
With every outrageously priced new Blu-ray player the PS3/Blu-ray fanclub roll out to say what great value a $400, $500, $600 & $700 player is cos DVD way back in the day was as expensive or more expensive.

You guys obviously are doing your best to ignore this, but, things have moved on.

We now have a mass-market used to disc based movie players at less than $100.

......and no amount of pro-Blu-ray soft soaping the issue will make it go away.

Blu-ray is well & truly headed into 2 relatively tiny niche markets, the largest one based around the PS3 & the other around small volume sales of players like the Pioneers & Panasonic.

It remains utterly invisible to the mainstream mass-market and will continue to be so until they get a finished product out & down to the $150 - $100 level.

.....which you know as well as I is years off.

= way too little far too late.

Blu-ray, the other deaf high def format.
Way to kill any chance of HDMs becoming mainstream guys.

At least the HD DVD crew got to enjoy tiny prices. :P]]>May 7th 2008 10:29AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/
Hang in there TT, and never let the death of your chosen format go. Keep fighting after the war's over, just like those WWII Japanese soldiers left abandoned on remote Pacific islands in the 1950s. ]]>May 7th 2008 11:07AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/
It's just me "ranting".

Actually sorry to disappoint you so badly but I'm laughing about all of this.

It's just more proof that Blu-ray is going nowhere in the mass-market......and by the time they get around to $100 - $150 players with a decent settled spec it'll be far too late.

DVD stayed king of the hill & the f*ckwits who backed Blu-ray just made sure 'the industry' got it's high margin niche format and HDMs on disc went nowhere.

Tragically that is the sum truth of what is going on.

Fools.

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LMAO ]]>May 7th 2008 12:28PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 1:42PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 5:44PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/
I wouldn't be so sure Toshiba were making such big losses (not when they could afford to write all of their HD DVD costs as a 1-off payment of less than $500 million).

That btw is also a tiny sum compared to the several years of major losses Sony alone has posted in connection with Blu-ray and it's nothing like the level of loss they have been making on each PS3 they sell.]]>May 8th 2008 5:52AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/
Although, I don't actually think that Pioneer would ever have a decently priced BR player so this is not surprising. Pioneer isn't for the mass market, aka the average consumer. This does nothing in helping the BR market but it does give high-end HD enthusiasts a nice player, not the latest version (BR-Live) but a nice player nonetheless. ]]>May 7th 2008 10:36AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 10:48AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 10:49AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 11:13AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 11:27AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/
It's those that couldn't care less about interactive features would find it more attractive.]]>May 7th 2008 12:29PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 12:35PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/
"Prices aren't getting higher. Pioneer have never been cheap devices."]]>May 7th 2008 6:44PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 8:13PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 7th 2008 8:15PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-introduces-elite-bdp-05fd-bdp-51fd-blu-ray-players/May 11th 2008 11:23AM