Thomas said: "While bad news for Toshiba on all accounts, we consumers are basking in a market dominated by a single high-def optical disc standard"
Ha ha ha, yeah right.. We are basking in on higher prices of media, higher rental costs, even WORSE DRM with managed copy being DROPPED from Blu-Ray and players that costs $400+ with still unfinished standards.
If this is the definition of basking in a market dominated by a singe high-def optical disc standard, then I guess things change a lot since I was younger :)
I don't understand this obsession of tracking how much money a company makes. Last time I checked, they still MADE profit of $12 billion, unlike Sony who has LOST billions and is just recovering now.
Toshiba just shows that they are indeed business savvy. Something tells me they will make a KILLING with their TVs containing cell super upscaling which will undoubtedly give Blu-Ray more troubles in 2009.
Oh Nfinity, when are you going to get over it? Say do you have a Blu-ray player yet or are you just whining based on a collective rants from your local HDDVD support group?
how n the hell would cell procesing give blu ray any trouble???
all it will do is be used as a scaler. it won look any where close to HD. sorry but you can't add resolution. sure u can make sd maeriel smoother and look a little better, but not truly ad resolution. you are limited to the format of origin. you need to stop talking out f your ass. so what your frmat of choice failed. bluray so far is doing fine, its selling faster than dvd did withi the same time frame from when dvd first came out compettin against dvd/laser and the failed divx. also dvd was even more expensive than bluray is now.
and downloads and vod wont catch on as the dominate media. blu ray will be th top hd format for a while until a new format comes out that can handled 4-16k video resolution in the home.
blu ray has to wait til companies start releasing more catalog titles. new titles arent as important, most ne stuff sucks. (avp 1/2 = ass same with transformers which wll be on bluray but still sucks ass)
when the classics hi hd then it will matter, that and some cheap players for lower class consumers. and the ps3 wll be dropping in price soon since they are making a profit now. so expect a $50-100 price drop this year.
plus people who buy new hd tvs in most cases can get a free bluray player.
and profile 1.4 will be out next year mitsbish is working on the 3d blu ray player, and they are working with sony to help them get it into the ps3 . something hd dvd players couldnt do with a firmware update, due o hardware limitations. (not talking cheap 3d because thats possible on all formats, im talking about proper 3d)
I think you need to take your head out of your ass and stop being a brainless fanboy.
When Sony has billions of dollars of losses it's just a temporary hiccup, but when Toshiba makes less then expected (with MAKES still being the operative word) then it's a disaster.
How about you open your eyes and realize that majority of people feel quite rightfully angry that corporate greed and anti-consumer interests prevailed with Blu-Ray. We can all see that by pathetic sales numbers of Blu-Ray.
The real question is, would you be able to live with yourself when Blu-Ray does not become mainstream, but stays niche until it's demise by the end of next year?
not only your comment is absolutely ridiculous LOL (it shows you are like, what, 12?), your lack of knowlegde is a typical gamer thing. You are young, completely uninterested in actually educating yourself and just trumpeting what you "THINK" is good without any factual and technical information behind it.
Cell "super-upscaling" offers HD quality at 960p and it was showcased at CES 2008. Toshiba and Sharp will start implementing technology in 2009 in their TVs and allows pretty much HD experience out of all existing DVDs. This is upscaling but much much better that will be almost indistinguishable from HD DVD or Blu-Ray as it offers smart cell processing to gather missing information. It takes 4 frames prior to the current frame you are watching and the 4 frames after to get more information in the picture, following the smart upscaling and sharpening algorithms.
If you saw it, you would know that a lot of people was actually pleasantly surprised that this WORKS. It doesn't create 1080p content, but offers stunning 960p.
The advantage over Blu-Ray? It works WITH ANY DVD title, effectively making your whole existing and future DVDs pretty much hi-def.
If we see how many people are actually happy with 1080p upscaling DVD players, you can bet your ass that a TV with this upscaling chip working with any DVD source will be dead on. Nothing else needed. Considering the 2009 digital transition when HDTV purchases will go up. We can see how much TVs from Toshiba and Sharp might give consumers something that will blow them away without making them pay more since the technology comes directly with the TV.
This is one of the reasons why Toshiba said they wouldn't be introducing Blu-Ray players and I'm glad. The whole 1080p hype if completely ridiculous. It's beneficial for 10% of people and even then, the gain in picture quality over 720p content for example is maybe 10-20% and that's hugely dependent on how good your display set is.
If you can't see why this spells trouble for Blu-Ray, then it's pretty much pointless to discuss anything with people like you, not that I expected from Sony fans.
And you comment about what's wrong with DRM is absolutely the pinnacle of ignorance. Not only that you lack to see the reasons why people are against it, you have no understanding what it stands for.
DRM is preventing you to backup your own purchases you numbnut. In case your disc or content gets screwed up you have to buy ANOTHER copy and that's just ONE thing that's bad about it and I'm not even going into privacy issues.
But I forgive you, you most likely don't pay for your stuff anyways, but when you grow up and start making your own money and thing happen to you, your mindset will change.
Not to mention that the PS3 you probably have, in EULA clearly states that they can snoop on anything you connect to your PS3 and what you do with it. You better hope you don't watch any torrents or anything illegal on your PS3. Because they will know and their EULA clearly states that it will be used against your legally.
But I guess, you don't have to worry right. You don't do anything that could be construed illegal, a term very grey in technology today.
dont you get tired of this?????? oh and about the tracking the money a compnaie makes... they have to... they have to care about share holders. dude. seriously... leave your fanatism aside. grow up.
"Cell "super-upscaling" offers HD quality at 960p and it was showcased at CES 2008. Toshiba and Sharp will start implementing technology in 2009 in their TVs and allows pretty much HD experience out of all existing DVDs. This is upscaling but much much better that will be almost indistinguishable from HD DVD or Blu-Ray as it offers smart cell processing to gather missing information. It takes 4 frames prior to the current frame you are watching and the 4 frames after to get more information in the picture, following the smart upscaling and sharpening algorithms.
If you saw it, you would know that a lot of people was actually pleasantly surprised that this WORKS. It doesn't create 1080p content, but offers stunning 960p. "
************************************************************* nice fantasy world you live in, but video doesn't work that way.
i read up on that tv months ago and it ill be a good scaler for a tv, but sorry 720p video will look much better than that, and 1080p even better.
its not truly adding resolution. you cant add resolution to films, its just scales it pretty well. but doesn't you can't add something to whats no longer available. you can take away data but cannot ad.
no disrespect, but I have much experience in the film industry. worked doing lots of post production work for a few years, I know what can and what cannot be done
its like telling me you have an hd cam that shoots 1080p , but i have professional cams that can shoot better looking video than your cam and mine shoots in 480(well a little higher but when made for tv its 480 or so)
that and i shoot in 4k digital now though, but can down res video to whatever format i need. but my video will look better than natively shoot 1080p since i shot at a higher res. its always best to shoot at a higher res than needed.
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Nfinity @ Apr 25th 2008 8:47AM
Thomas said: "While bad news for Toshiba on all accounts, we consumers are basking in a market dominated by a single high-def optical disc standard"
Ha ha ha, yeah right.. We are basking in on higher prices of media, higher rental costs, even WORSE DRM with managed copy being DROPPED from Blu-Ray and players that costs $400+ with still unfinished standards.
If this is the definition of basking in a market dominated by a singe high-def optical disc standard, then I guess things change a lot since I was younger :)
I don't understand this obsession of tracking how much money a company makes. Last time I checked, they still MADE profit of $12 billion, unlike Sony who has LOST billions and is just recovering now.
Toshiba just shows that they are indeed business savvy. Something tells me they will make a KILLING with their TVs containing cell super upscaling which will undoubtedly give Blu-Ray more troubles in 2009.
JimC @ Apr 25th 2008 9:38AM
Oh Nfinity, when are you going to get over it? Say do you have a Blu-ray player yet or are you just whining based on a collective rants from your local HDDVD support group?
gamedude420 @ Apr 25th 2008 9:42AM
how n the hell would cell procesing give blu ray any trouble???
all it will do is be used as a scaler. it won look any where close to HD. sorry but you can't add resolution. sure u can make sd maeriel smoother and look a little better, but not truly ad resolution. you are limited to the format of origin. you need to stop talking out f your ass. so what your frmat of choice failed. bluray so far is doing fine, its selling faster than dvd did withi the same time frame from when dvd first came out compettin against dvd/laser and the failed divx. also dvd was even more expensive than bluray is now.
and downloads and vod wont catch on as the dominate media. blu ray will be th top hd format for a while until a new format comes out that can handled 4-16k video resolution in the home.
blu ray has to wait til companies start releasing more catalog titles. new titles arent as important, most ne stuff sucks. (avp 1/2 = ass same with transformers which wll be on bluray but still sucks ass)
when the classics hi hd then it will matter, that and some cheap players for lower class consumers. and the ps3 wll be dropping in price soon since they are making a profit now. so expect a $50-100 price drop this year.
plus people who buy new hd tvs in most cases can get a free bluray player.
and profile 1.4 will be out next year mitsbish is working on the 3d blu ray player, and they are working with sony to help them get it into the ps3 . something hd dvd players couldnt do with a firmware update, due o hardware limitations. (not talking cheap 3d because thats possible on all formats, im talking about proper 3d)
gamedude420 @ Apr 25th 2008 6:12PM
nothing wrong with drm at all. they can increase it for all i care.
if you are not stealing then why care?? plus you can save video to other formats now including the psp.
so no problem.
Luigi193 @ Apr 25th 2008 10:27AM
Dude... get a life.
(which I probably can't say, considering I have none... but at least I don't rant on about a dead format every frickin second of every frickin day.)
Dave @ Apr 25th 2008 10:41AM
Hey loser go get life already. You are broke... you crap format lost HA HA.
Nfinity @ Apr 25th 2008 11:19AM
I think you need to take your head out of your ass and stop being a brainless fanboy.
When Sony has billions of dollars of losses it's just a temporary hiccup, but when Toshiba makes less then expected (with MAKES still being the operative word) then it's a disaster.
How about you open your eyes and realize that majority of people feel quite rightfully angry that corporate greed and anti-consumer interests prevailed with Blu-Ray. We can all see that by pathetic sales numbers of Blu-Ray.
The real question is, would you be able to live with yourself when Blu-Ray does not become mainstream, but stays niche until it's demise by the end of next year?
Nfinity @ Apr 25th 2008 11:38AM
gamedude,
not only your comment is absolutely ridiculous LOL (it shows you are like, what, 12?), your lack of knowlegde is a typical gamer thing. You are young, completely uninterested in actually educating yourself and just trumpeting what you "THINK" is good without any factual and technical information behind it.
Cell "super-upscaling" offers HD quality at 960p and it was showcased at CES 2008. Toshiba and Sharp will start implementing technology in 2009 in their TVs and allows pretty much HD experience out of all existing DVDs. This is upscaling but much much better that will be almost indistinguishable from HD DVD or Blu-Ray as it offers smart cell processing to gather missing information. It takes 4 frames prior to the current frame you are watching and the 4 frames after to get more information in the picture, following the smart upscaling and sharpening algorithms.
If you saw it, you would know that a lot of people was actually pleasantly surprised that this WORKS. It doesn't create 1080p content, but offers stunning 960p.
The advantage over Blu-Ray? It works WITH ANY DVD title, effectively making your whole existing and future DVDs pretty much hi-def.
If we see how many people are actually happy with 1080p upscaling DVD players, you can bet your ass that a TV with this upscaling chip working with any DVD source will be dead on. Nothing else needed. Considering the 2009 digital transition when HDTV purchases will go up. We can see how much TVs from Toshiba and Sharp might give consumers something that will blow them away without making them pay more since the technology comes directly with the TV.
This is one of the reasons why Toshiba said they wouldn't be introducing Blu-Ray players and I'm glad. The whole 1080p hype if completely ridiculous. It's beneficial for 10% of people and even then, the gain in picture quality over 720p content for example is maybe 10-20% and that's hugely dependent on how good your display set is.
If you can't see why this spells trouble for Blu-Ray, then it's pretty much pointless to discuss anything with people like you, not that I expected from Sony fans.
And you comment about what's wrong with DRM is absolutely the pinnacle of ignorance. Not only that you lack to see the reasons why people are against it, you have no understanding what it stands for.
DRM is preventing you to backup your own purchases you numbnut. In case your disc or content gets screwed up you have to buy ANOTHER copy and that's just ONE thing that's bad about it and I'm not even going into privacy issues.
But I forgive you, you most likely don't pay for your stuff anyways, but when you grow up and start making your own money and thing happen to you, your mindset will change.
Not to mention that the PS3 you probably have, in EULA clearly states that they can snoop on anything you connect to your PS3 and what you do with it. You better hope you don't watch any torrents or anything illegal on your PS3. Because they will know and their EULA clearly states that it will be used against your legally.
But I guess, you don't have to worry right. You don't do anything that could be construed illegal, a term very grey in technology today.
Jove @ Apr 25th 2008 1:12PM
dont you get tired of this?????? oh and about the tracking the money a compnaie makes... they have to... they have to care about share holders. dude. seriously... leave your fanatism aside. grow up.
gamedude420 @ Apr 25th 2008 6:31PM
"Cell "super-upscaling" offers HD quality at 960p and it was showcased at CES 2008. Toshiba and Sharp will start implementing technology in 2009 in their TVs and allows pretty much HD experience out of all existing DVDs. This is upscaling but much much better that will be almost indistinguishable from HD DVD or Blu-Ray as it offers smart cell processing to gather missing information. It takes 4 frames prior to the current frame you are watching and the 4 frames after to get more information in the picture, following the smart upscaling and sharpening algorithms.
If you saw it, you would know that a lot of people was actually pleasantly surprised that this WORKS. It doesn't create 1080p content, but offers stunning 960p.
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nice fantasy world you live in, but video doesn't work that way.
i read up on that tv months ago and it ill be a good scaler for a tv, but sorry 720p video will look much better than that, and 1080p even better.
its not truly adding resolution. you cant add resolution to films, its just scales it pretty well. but doesn't you can't add something to whats no longer available. you can take away data but cannot ad.
no disrespect, but I have much experience in the film industry. worked doing lots of post production work for a few years, I know what can and what cannot be done
its like telling me you have an hd cam that shoots 1080p , but i have professional cams that can shoot better looking video than your cam and mine shoots in 480(well a little higher but when made for tv its 480 or so)
that and i shoot in 4k digital now though, but can down res video to whatever format i need. but my video will look better than natively shoot 1080p since i shot at a higher res. its always best to shoot at a higher res than needed.