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So, now the HD DVD format is at the funeral home awaiting burial at the end of March, but the player is still exactly what they said it is. What should the buyer beware?]]>Feb 21st 2008 8:42AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 10:20AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
I see a **significant** difference in quality between 480i/p and 1080i/p on my LG HDTV when I switch resolutions on my HD-A2, just as when I did with the upscaler that my HD-A2 replaced. In fact, there have been a few times where I wondered why the "upscaled" picture looked so blocky only to look down at the player display and see that it was still in 480p mode. After switching it to 1080i (or 1080p with my previous upscaler) the blockiness of the picture was gone. It was a very smooth picture after that. The TV also responds to the resolution change. It does a 1-to-2 second switchover whenever resolution modes change, and it most certainly does that whenever I activate the upscaling.

So don't tell me that it's all a big scam. I've seen it for myself on two different upscalers on my 47" HDTV.]]>Feb 21st 2008 10:54AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 11:00AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 11:03AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
Are you telling me a $100 DVD player is going to outperform a $2000+ product, I would certainly hope not!

I'm with you Loban, total SCAM.]]>Feb 21st 2008 12:08PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Sell a few million more, wait for the overly expensive, price gouging, lower specked BR cartel niche market to tank, and who knows what the future might have been.]]>Feb 21st 2008 8:21PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
You're right; I am such an idiot.]]>Feb 21st 2008 10:28PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 8:49AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 8:49AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 8:58AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/cemadvdsales.html]]>Feb 21st 2008 8:59AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
Sales of Blu Ray are likely to accelerate. People buying HD sets, or who own HD sets, or even people with SD sets shopping for a new player will start buying Blu Ray players instead of DVD players. More so as the price sinks as more as it goes mainstream and more players appear from manufacturers. There will be a good selection of players for less than $300 before the year out, possibly some for less than $200.

It's a no brainer for anyone going HD to choose Blu Ray. Their DVDs will play great, better than a regular SD player. And with the move to Blu Ray consumers will start buying Blu Ray discs as a matter of course.

Combo disks are also a total waste of time when there is only a single HD format remaining. I can understand why consumers might like combo disks on HD DVD. It was like having an emergency parachute in case the format flopped. As indeed it did. There is little point in combo disks for Blu Ray now that it has already won.

As for electronic copies, there is something called mandatory managed copy on discs. No player supports this yet though the PS3 is supposed to at some point. It will allow you to take a copy of the movie for playback on a portable device. The PS3 will support the PSP and I expect other manufacturers will offer similar functionality. Maybe it requires profile 2.0 which is why we haven't seen it offered yet.]]>Feb 21st 2008 12:14PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 2:18PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
I don't know if you remember this, but by the end of last year and the beginning of this year (before the Warner decision), stand-alone BD players were handily outselling standalone HD DVD players (at one point it was something like 9:1).]]>Feb 21st 2008 4:37PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
the week AFTER the warner announcement standalone blu-ray player sales were about nine times the sales of standalone HD DVD players. the following week after that, it was back to about 2:1 or 3:1 in favor of blu-ray.

and most of the blu-ray player "sales" in January were "free" bundled Blu-Ray players with 1080p HDTV's.]]>Feb 21st 2008 9:08PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 22nd 2008 7:42PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 9:12AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 9:24AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 9:39AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 10:07AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
I also don't understand all of the people that seem to be saying blu-ray won't move a significant amount of units until the price is $100.00.

How can these people afford an HDTV to begin with? How about the discs? I just don't get it. Do you really expect the player to cost about as much as the cables you need to hook it up? When did this become an expectation and why?

I guess that's the problem with setting the price floor artificially low and all of the give aways. You tend to attract buyers that do not have a lot of disposable income. To the point of this article, you get a lot of buyers that said "what a sweet upscaling DVD player" and didn't buy any HD-DVD discs.]]>Feb 21st 2008 11:01AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
It all comes down to VALUE -- how much value we perceive the purchase will be. For many of us (I would even guess "most of us") who have HD DVD players, the only reason why we have them is because we got them at the $98 Wal-Mart fire sale. Otherwise, we would most likely have stuck with upconverting DVD and/or HD over cable or satellite. In fact, most of my HD viewing has been the HD channels on cable, and even then it's most for background noise as this point. (Too much to do, not enough time, etc.)

Honestly, I have yet to sit and watch an entire HD DVD, but I've thrown in several of my regular DVDs onto it to play in the background. So, that $98 was by no means a financial loss when it costs only about $20 more than an upscaling player.

Now that I see how little time I've had to watch and truly enjoy what HD DVDs I own, I sure as hell am NOT going to go out and buy a PS3 that costs FOUR TIMES AS MUCH when it will get just as little use!

Your value for BD is obviously different than others' value for BD. It has nothing to do with cost and EVERYTHING to do with value. The two are NOT the same. I can go out and buy three PS3s right now and not worry about finances. I have no reason to do so because they are not going to be of any additional value to me.

So, STOP IT with these ridiculous "if you can afford X you can afford Y" bullsh*t arguments, please!! ]]>Feb 21st 2008 11:32AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
also, no Blu-Ray discs can play in a standard DVD player. the HD DVD Combo DVD can play in a standard DVD player. that is true backwards compatibility, which is another hurdle Blu-Ray must overcome (i'd really like to see a dual-sided Blu-Ray disc if it is at all possible -- i would imagine it is since Toshiba figured out how to do it with HD DVD).]]>Feb 21st 2008 7:39PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 12:53PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
@cv
I use my A20 the same way you do, and watching standard DVDs in 1080p/24 is a definite plus for viewing standard DVDs. The LOTR movies in particular come alive even more on this setting; it wouldn't hurt for Toshiba to ask retailers to highlight this feature on older and current players.


]]>Feb 21st 2008 12:30PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
It's been selling out and coming back into stock many times and if they could order more they would... It's selling more than regular DVD players.
]]>Feb 21st 2008 12:24PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/just wow.

the decision to drop HD DVD off of the description seems a little strange though, as I'm sure that people have many choices for upscaling DVD, You would think that they would want to show that you can get a really "special" player for that cost - something that is "next" gen (I guess perhaps "then" gen might be better description)

If you bought HD DVD and really hoped it'd make a go of it, well enjoy it while you can, but stop with the idiotic comments -please? Don't tell me that you believed that HD DVD would win so that you could have a DVD upconverter. Don't tell me that you know that consumers didn't vote - because the companies involved want to make money, so they picked the horse with the best possibility of achieving this. Don't tell me that HD DVD was better because it had better video and special features, but you are definitely NOT going to Blu-Ray - you will download instead... I guess it never really was about a better format -just wanted to see Sony not succeed.

It's likely good that Tosh bowed out, because you know Sony wouldn't - no way that they would stop making PS3's and couldn't change the drives out because of the commitment with too many games.

Get over yourselves people. HD DVD is not going to be manufactured, except for a couple companies here and there, Blu Ray is not in competition with DVD, it is another, higher quality choice. Blu ray will continue to be manufactured, and time will tell if it will continue in DVD's footprints or the footprints left by SACD and DVD-Audio.

It was called a format war, and it is now over. Find something to do.

And hey - if the war was all about DVD vs Blu Ray (Sony) (as many are claiming now...)then I guess PS3 won - because PS3 upscales DVD, and has wayyy more sold than the Toshiba "upscaling" DVD players!





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And, no, the issue is not one of sore LOSERS (with the exception of TT/Nfinity) -- the issue is one of sore WINNERS. Ever since it was evident that HD DVD was lost, all that BD fanboys have done is insult and demean anyone who DARED to buy an HD DVD player even if it wasn't because of the format as much as it was simply a great deal at $98.

Now instead of saying, "Okay, it's over", the BD crowd is running with the whole Eddie Murphy "you don't got no ice cream" skit, only now applied towards anyone who *dare* admit that they bought an HD DVD player. (Horrors!!) "Oh, how can you buy an HD TV but not buy BD?" "Oh, why don't you get a better job if you can't afford a BD player?" "Oh, why would you want to buy an HD DVD player as an upconverter (even though it's only $30 more than a regular upconverter)?" "Oh, you are a bunch of Sony haters who don't want Sony to succeed!"

Pathetic. Don't lecture *us* about "idiotic comments". (Well, go ahead with TT/Nfinity. They deserve it.)

The REALLY sad part is that I don't care who won. I wouldn't have even bought into HD DVD if it wasn't for the Wal-Mart fire sale. I would have stuck with HD cable for a while. But seeing the poor sportsmanship of the BD crowd and having to respond to asinine comments like yours (thereby making it look like I'm an HD DVD fanboy when I'm actually not) is absolutely infuriating.

Perhaps you're the one who needs to find something to do. You BD fanboys just can't stop kicking the bones of the HD DVD horse, like it's some kind of grisly addiction ... MUST ... KICK ... ONE ... MORE ... TIME ...]]>Feb 21st 2008 4:32PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
Calm down. I don't think that you're the target of his comment, dude. Re-read it. He's actually targeting the crap that TT and Nfinitard have been saying. If your player still has value for you, that's fantastic.]]>Feb 21st 2008 4:44PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
Normally, I would agree. The problem is that after months of the BD crowd condemning anything and everything HD DVD (even those who purchased them with no "ill" intention towards BD) as though it's some kind of mortal threat, I'm just fed up with the whole attitude that anyone who even attempts to defend HD DVD players is making "irrational arguments" or is a "sore loser".

It's just infuriating that idiots on this site (on both sides of the argument) have turned a 12cm piece of plastic into some kind of f**king moral crusade, and I am so fed up with it.]]>Feb 21st 2008 9:36PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/) that's their business, and we don't need amateur journalists to "save" us from our "idiocy."

I'm with JohnB. I bought an HD DVD player because it was cheap, it lost, boo hoo, I would have preferred it if it had won, and while I do hold something against WB for their timing, it's out of my hands and if I want high-def movies on a shiny disc it'll have to be on Blu-Ray so I think I'll be looking for a Blu-Ray player. Eventually.

And yes, it's infuriating going to consumer entertainment sites and be barraged with reminders of my apparent idiocy for getting a decent deal on a really awesome upscaler instead of spending more on a Blu-Ray player. Hey, better machines will come out soon, and there's going to be a drought of good new releases this year, so what's the rush? I have no moral obligation to keep any CE manufacturer or movie studio's profits from sagging, and neither do you. If you're going Blu right away, already have, or were Blu-only all along, and you're happy with that decision, then great! I'm glad you're fine with that. As for me, I'm waiting. When I'm plopped on my couch watching DVDs on my TV, it looks pretty darn good, and I can live with that. Hey, my generation thought the Atari 2600 was effin' awesome, so I think I can wait a few months for more high-def movies :->

I'm not sure at this point if I'll be buying clearance HD DVDs. Maybe. I have most of what I wanted anyway, and will get a couple more titles soon. And I'm in no rush to get Blu until more Profile 2.0 players come out and the competition gets fierce between BDA members, and more big-name titles like LoTR and Star Wars are out. (Good thing for the CE business that most movie-watchers didn't wait for DVD until Star Wars and Indiana Jones were on DVD, eh? ;-)]]>Feb 21st 2008 10:44PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
Fair enough. Actually, I kinda agree. It is too much like a moral crusade for most. I personally don't get it, either.]]>Feb 22nd 2008 7:26PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 2:54PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 3:08PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
You will be sorry, Blu-ray fans.

Look forward to firmware/profile updates in future costing money if you want to access features too.
Profile 2.0 is the final spec.....the final 'free' spec, that is.

They are working on profile 2.1 as we speak and they have several updated new versions of BD+ waiting to go at the 1st sign of a proper crack
(which they have always fully expected to happen at some point & designed the system around).

I'll be around to laugh my a$$ off telling you I told you so.

Now the competition has gone (and with it even the prospect of dual format players) they have little or nothing holding them back from their worst day-dreams.

The real moment of truth will come when they try and launch a title on Blu-ray only and not SD DVD (as happened with DVD v VHS).

You will be sorry and the current gloating about HD DVD losing out will be (as far as anyone sane is concerned) a cause of much regret. ]]>Feb 21st 2008 3:11PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Do you relaize that at the end of the day every Blu version plays every mvie and that's all that matters.
DVD players added loads of features over the years and it didn't hurt anyone. The only difference here is that he BDA is calling each addition a version name to make it more of a standard instead of being a DVD player that plays MP3, DivX, DTS, ect.
Shut the fuck up with your bullshit, you piss the shit out of me just because you're so blind and stupid not because I have a preference that agrees or disagrees with which format won.
Ok, so next article, next repeat of your dumb shit and people telling you you're a waste of sperm.
Grow the fuck up you decrepid degenerate.]]>Feb 21st 2008 4:03PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 4:13PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
On another note, I miss the format war. It's great that my team won and all, but it was fun to look forward to those weekly sales charts, and I flipped the f*ck out (in a good way) when Warner went Blu.

I just wish Toshiba would surprise us and be like "Psych! We just bought out Disney and Fox and Paramount! (AGAIN!!!)"

It's good to win, it's just sad that there's no more fun to be had.

::sigh:: I guess now I should be looking forward to actually ENJOYING more films in HD.

::kicks foot into sand::]]>Feb 21st 2008 3:45PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
Best Buy salesman: Oh no its an upscaling dvd player and as a side benefit not only does it play DVDs but it also plays HD DVDs

Customer: And you pass the savings onto me, the customer!]]>Feb 21st 2008 3:56PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
GFY.

I'll post what I like when I like and your little hissy-fit b!tching just make me laugh even harder.
You'll be getting exactly what you wanted.....except you'll be left gritting your teeth pretending you love the pain.

Ditto the rest of the PS3/Blu-ray cheer-leaders around here
(the paid shills at least have the excuse of only doing their jobs).

@ John B

I'm not going away anywhere.
I know some of what they have planned for very soon & whether you want to hear it or not this 'win' will be regretted, mightily.

This isn't going to be like DVD.

People will regret this.

I'll be reminding people when it happens. ]]>Feb 21st 2008 4:20PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Engadget HD becomes a less enjoyable experience with crap like this filling up every HD post!]]>Feb 21st 2008 4:29PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
I can't bear to hear what the BDA have planned next and I'm crying my eyes out over the nasty man telling me what I don't want to hear.
Ban him so I can pretend none of it is going to happen!

Well tough luck sunshine.

You haven't heard the 1/2 of it yet!

But you remember to grit your teeth & pretend you love it tho, eh? ]]>Feb 21st 2008 4:33PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
No one believed your bullshit when you were spewing that "wait for the big CES HD DVD killer announcement" back in December... and we were right not to, cause HD DVD got PWNED by WB.

No one believed your outright lies about HD DVD chinese upscalers flooding the market as a trojan horse and turning the tide.

And no one believes this crap your trying to peddle. Suddenly your an expert and insider with BD? Yeah, you claimed inside info on your format of choice and look how transparent your lies were then.

The only conclusion I come to about your post is that you MUST be getting paid to spread this type of FUD even after the death of HD DVD... hope they pay you well.]]>Feb 21st 2008 9:57PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 11:54PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 22nd 2008 6:59AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/
Like I could care less about 'rankings'
(yeah, so meaningful; the Blu-ray.com gang always score up their own side and rank down anyone who dares say any different......they're about as informative as those dumb polls they pack out).
Similarly whether you believe a word I say means nothing to me.
I will be around to laugh like a drain when what I've said comes to pass tho.

So you can take your dreary little calls to ban me (hmmmm, XDragon another one with a - very obvious & notable - anal sex obsession and who pours out a torrent of filth and thinks I should be the one to go, and why? Cos he couldn't bear to see someone say something he didn't like.
What a laughable immature & sad tedious little fascist in the making).

As for what I said about Warner?
You got lucky Warner stabbed HD DVD in the back
(the recent Ken Graffeo interview backed my claims; they all thought they had WB signed up long before CES).

As far as the Chinese players go (HD DVD China launches next month)?
You also got lucky because of Warner's move effecting that too; the industry now thinks (in their blind greed) that they have boxed China off with it's own separate & different high def system.

But we'll see.

(.....and those Chinese players - who's full effects are yet to be seen - are still coming. A 'ground up' demand may yet alter things......just as the industry hated Divx but ended up including it in almost every DVD player)

But you guys are the ones who will be taking the full effects of the Blu-ray win you all so desperately wanted.

I hope your acting skills are good cos I know you're not going to like it, tho you'll all be pretending to.
Grit your teeth, fanboys, cos what the have coming for you isn't going to be nice.

As you all said over the underhand moves the BDA did in this, this is a ruthless business and those guys are not your friends.
They have gotten rid of HD DVD and now the spotlight turns and that ruthlessness is aimed at extracting as much of your money as they can.
Just remember you wanted this.

The key is going to be (apparently) when/if they get to 10/15% of the disc market, then they plan to start dropping DVD releases to push people to BD.
Then they really start to have some fun with you saps.

Enjoy, cos it's exactly what you wanted, right?]]>Feb 22nd 2008 8:36AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/I'm going to attempt to engage you the way I typically post.
I disagree with a lot of people but I actually appreciate the views of others but in your case, your posts are not opinion anymore. You're just flat out making up things and obsessing over Blu owners gritting their teeth. I'm not disagreeing with you because I stand on the opposite side of the fence and as much as you call me a Blu cheerleader, I just can't deal with your comments that have no facts behind them and that's what pisses me off about your posts. You keep saying gritting teeth when at the end of the day, any movie a Blu owner buys will play on all flavors of Blu drives regardless of any future changes to the profile standard. I like most others will eventually have multiple players in the home and just like DVD, some will have more features than others and I'm not the kind of person who's going to cry that an older player of mine can't access a feature on a Blu disc that has no barring on watching the actual movie.
Again, I don't like what your saying not because I'm right and your wrong but because you're not making any points based on facts.
You're opinion is just a blind rant and in some cases, fortune telling which is why I don't consider it an opinion. If you said HD-DVD was almost the same technically(I'm talking about specifications) as Blu but due to price differences you like HD-DVD better, I could respect that even thought I'd rather spend more to get something that is technically better.
If HD-DVD had won, all of your arguments about Blu still failing after the format war was over would apply to HD-DVD and since Blu was adopted by more consumers, Blu has a better chance at dethroning DVD than HD-DVD had. So why does VOD, PVR and Digital Downloads sound good all of a sudden that your preferred format lost and why does Blu have to fail because HD-DVD lost?
I understand that many people as early adopters were bound to lose out on their investment when 1 format defeated the other and I get that even though we all new the risks, it still burns to face the fact that being on the losing side means that the HD player that lost is now a great upsampling player and that there's a very limited library of titles available for it's HD format playback, not to mention that the HD only disc won't play in the winning HD formats player unless you spend a fortune on a dual format player.
Someone had to lose or else no HD format disc would have been accepted by the general public and I'm happy 1 did, even if it had went the other way, I'd still be happy that at least I can buy an HD disc with confidence now.
The above is why none of your comments make sense and they're hypocritical so PLEASE give it a rest.]]>Feb 22nd 2008 9:21AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/I'm not a cheerleader but I am realistic.
The majority of consumers decided they prefer Blu and sales prove that.
Toshiba gave up so now you can shut the fuck up!
Ever experience voting on anything when the majority decides the outcome? This is no different so you can bitch all you want while i enjoy 1 hd format that will be successful now due to the format war being over..and I won't be gritting my teeth at all because I didn't lose any money or anything by this.
So far DVD owner have been getting the shaft because they re-release a movie many times and at least no HD format has done that YET so keep making up shit to make yourself feel better.
Why couldn't your dad have stuck it in your mom's ass the dreadful day you were made? The world is a more stupid place because of you and everyone voting down all your posts and evlevating anyone who fights you should be proof enough that you're not welcome here.]]>Feb 21st 2008 4:43PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/21/hd-dvd-players-become-dvd-upscalers-in-format-war-fallout/Feb 21st 2008 4:49PM