http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/ Engadget HD Comments for http://www.engadgethd.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgethd.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 18th 2008 4:13PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 18th 2008 4:17PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
Toshiba: Electronics company with a nice line of HDTV's that has sold VHS, and DVD players and has a lot of expericen with the blue laser shared by both formats.
MS: What is the disk format going to be for the XBOX 3 games? It isn't going to be DVD or digital downloads and a proprietary MS format would be idiotic.]]>Feb 18th 2008 4:48PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 18th 2008 6:48PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
lol, I swear the Blu-Ray fanboys are a bunch of 12 year olds.. DD is going to happen, just accept it. Sure it probably wont happen anytime soon, but it's already starting.

/Purple]]>Feb 18th 2008 8:49PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 19th 2008 1:07AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
Yes, silly me for not noticing the similarities there... It's the next logical step in distribution, when it will happen, who knows.]]>Feb 19th 2008 1:23AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
The "average consumer" doesnt even have an HDTV yet and in alot of cases doesnt understand what a high def movie actually is.]]>Feb 18th 2008 4:34PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 18th 2008 5:04PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/]]>Feb 18th 2008 4:34PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 18th 2008 5:05PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 18th 2008 4:44PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
Giggity]]>Feb 18th 2008 5:13PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
Toshiba will definitely have a BD player by the holiday's. And life goes on.]]>Feb 18th 2008 4:56PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 18th 2008 5:04PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
BDA: "Oh hey, Toshiba and Microsoft. Look, we want to tell you how sorry we are for your loss. You guys fought hard, and we promises you we have no hard feeling over this whole format war."

Toshiba and Microsoft: "Geeez, Thanks guys!"

BDA: "Now if you would, gladly take your seats way far back there near the Janitor's closet. Right next to Samsung."

*Toshiba and Microsoft sit down*

BDA: "Alright everyone, now that we have this format war over with, any suggestion what to do next?"

*Microsoft and Toshiba raise their hands*

BDA: "Anyone?"

*Samsung raises hand*

BDA: "Yes?"

Microsoft and Toshiba: "Hey, why didn't you call on us?"

BDA: "Because, we don't care what you think. Now go make us mone...I mean Blu-ray players..."]]>Feb 18th 2008 5:27PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
"MS: What is the disk format going to be for the XBOX 3 games? It isn't going to be DVD or digital downloads and a proprietary MS format would be idiotic."

Wait? A proprietary MS format would be idiotic? So what does that make Sony? They make propriety formats for everything they make. (PSP, Cameras, Video Cameras, etc.) So if Microsoft makes it then it's idiotic? Besides, a proprietary Nintendo format hasn't hurt the Wii at all. Game consoles don't have to work with the main stream formats, you know. Microsoft could just as well put a HVD drive in the next Xbox. It's for the games. I don't understand this whole "proprietary gloom" idea. The PS3 wasn't going to fail if Blu-ray didn't become the standard. It had another use, Games! The only idiotic use of a propriety format would be if it was in a standalone player that can only do one function meaning it was doomed from the start, but no one makes that mistake? well wait, VMD perhaps? ]]>Feb 18th 2008 5:42PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 19th 2008 12:46AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
Of course, if the EU comes in and starts an antitrust investigation, Microsoft wouldn't touch Blu-Ray with a 10 mile pole. ]]>Feb 18th 2008 6:09PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 18th 2008 6:17PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 18th 2008 6:20PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
Toshiba will accept it in a heart beat once they make it public that HD DVD is no more. ]]>Feb 18th 2008 6:23PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 18th 2008 7:42PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
They want DVD Forum approval for the Blu-ray versions of Twin disc &
combos discs
(there is no technical reason they cannot do what HD DVD were going
to do).

They know that only with a Blu-ray version of Twin disc or combo
discs do they stand even a remote hope in hell of ever replacing SD
DVD.

Personally I hope the DVD Forum tell them to f*ck themselves after
the way the BDA have behaved in this 'war'.

......but then again, the thought of Toshiba undercutting the lot of them and forcing them all to look at much slower and reduced returns by putting out excellent quality profile 2.0 combo players @ sub $200 and Microsoft putting out an XBox 360 Blu-ray add-on @ $100 and seeing them thoroughly shaft the rest of the BDA does have a certain appeal to 'natural justice'.

With a little luck they'd accidentally leak the bits the sharing community needs to render Blu-ray's region coding & BD+ completely worthless too while they're at it.

;) :P
]]>Feb 18th 2008 7:33PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/HD-DVD... oh wait no one cared.

Someone is bitter they backed the wrong format.]]>Feb 18th 2008 7:51PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 18th 2008 8:49PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 19th 2008 12:49AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
If you feel stupid for buying into HDVD and even stupider for EVERY prediction you've made to date, that's your problem. Don't sit here and piss and moan about it now that EVERYONE knows what's going on.

Last point, you really don't need to make predictions on what BD is going to do or if it will get market share from DVD. You haven't been right yet, and now isn't when it's all going to start going your way. Even NFinity has lightened up and gotten a sense of humor about it all. Let's stop the blathering on and get on with the HD fun for a change.]]>Feb 19th 2008 2:10AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/Feb 18th 2008 7:58PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/18/bda-sez-toshiba-and-microsoft-are-more-than-welcome-to-go-blu/
A proprietary format can make it more difficult to pirate software titles as well. If a blu ray 360 add on comes out I'm up to buy it. ]]>Feb 19th 2008 12:12AM