Engadget?! I submit some positive news for HD DVD and you completely ignore it. The minute you get anything negative to post about HD DVD you don't miss a beat. Are you hell bent against the format these days? It appears that way. So, since you won't post it, I will. As many of you know Studio Canal supports HD DVD in Europe so the following news is a pretty big deal for the format.
StudioCanal acquires Kinowelt By Rebecca Leffler and Scott Roxborough
Jan 18, 2008
French movie powerhouse StudioCanal has officially bought up 100% of German independent distributor Kinowelt, the companies said Thursday.
The move makes StudioCanal the largest pan-European film distribution company with operations in the continent's three largest markets: France, Germany and the U.K., after the Gallic company bought Optimum Releasing in 2006.
"We're the only European company to have such a direct presence in the top three markets, "StudioCanal's chairman and CEO Olivier Courson told The Hollywood Reporter. With a stake in these three top territories, StudioCanal will control a market worth 3 billion euros ($4.4 billion) in boxoffice receipts and 7 billion euros ($10.2 billion) in home video sales. StudioCanal will add Kinowelt's 7,000-plus library titles to its already 5,000-strong catalog.
"Our priority is to develop our strategy in each of these three countries and band them together to create a European network," Courson said. StudioCanal is hoping to not only profit from Kinowelt's massive library of DVD rights and distribution benefits, but also aggressively develop the company's international production activities.
StudioCanal plans to invest 200 million euros ($292.2 million) per year in both local and international film production, over 30 million euros ($43.8 million) more than the group's current investment. "We're in a great position to develop international production. We want to be the choice for a European co-producer," Courson said.
He added: "We're going to partner more and more with the U.S. majors and take advantage of remake rights. This is our new strategy, and we're going to amplify it with the acquisition of Kinowelt." StudioCanal wholly funded Wong Kar Wai's "My Blueberry Nights" in 2006 and already has a slew of international co-productions in the works including Johnny To's next film featuring an international cast and a confidential "U.S. studio partner" and a prequel/remake of John Carpenter's "Escape From New York."
Kinowelt has been distributing StudioCanal's films in Germany for years, and the companies plan to extend their strong professional relationship. Michael and Rainer Kolmel will remain in their positions as senior advisers to Kinowelt, Michael for strategy and Rainer for acquisitions.
Both companies refused to comment on the price tag of the merger, rumored to be in the 70 million euro ($103 million) range.
The deal, signed late Wednesday night, will be officially set in motion "as quickly as possible," according to StudioCanal, which hopes to see the acquisition in place by the end of February or beginning of March.
Don't get upset man. They do this very often. For example, not only they completely dismiss news but they fail to report actually valid tech/gadget stuff.
and quite a few others.. but you know, you can't expect that.. but some ridiculous studio in Sweden goes Blu-ray exclusive and it's not even 100% confirmed... there goes the EngadgetBD putting their spin on it.
Also, no mention of Warner movies too that clearly give more value to consumers once more.
I'm LEGEND HD DVD offers more to consumers then Blu-Ray version despite the price. HD DVD version includes all of the features from Blu-Ray, better menus and COMBO disc (with SD DVD version for playback on regular DVD players)
Yeah, lets see if my post gets pulled again, as soon as you have an opinion about this site supporting blu it gets yanked, no bias here! I see Walmart has sold out of A3s as the player numbers are surging, no mention of that fact of course, but Sven's Sandal factory in outer Sweden is huge news!
Toshibas price cut may be paying off as retailers like Wal-Mart and Amazon discount the player, bringing it even closer to the magic $100 mark. If the number of consumers who own an HD DVD player continues to grow, it will be difficult for studios to ignore the potential sales dollars.
erm, isnt StudioCanal one of those few companies supporting both Blu-ray and HD DVD? And so is Kinowelt. How is that good news for HD DVD? Its no different to yesterday.
@Chris Frost, So where is the positive news for HD DVD? Studio Canal+ (who have released some HD DVD titles) have bought another studio. It doesn't say anything about their future commitment to HD DVD. It's certainly hard to see why you think they'll stay with the format when virtually every other European distributor is going Blu Ray. Not surprising really since Blu Ray dominates HD DVD in Europe.
I think you're just setting yourself up for a major fall by pretending some random business news is good news for HD DVD. It can only be a matter of time before Canal+ dumps HD DVD too.
@HD4ME, Walmart selling out of A3 players is a meaningless observation without knowing how many they had to begin with, if they intend to restock them and so on. After all, the whole point of firesales is to get rid of stock as fast as possible. It doesn't mean its especially profitable for the retailer or any indication that the format will succeed.
Indeed, if I were Toshiba and my format was doomed, I would stay schtum on my intentions and try to clear whatever players I had in my supply line for whatever price I could get just to cut my losses. Then I would announce the format was discontinued. The same thing appears to be happening here although some fanboys appear too emotionally invested to recognize the signs for what they are.
Of course Xym you wouldn't do what Toshiba is doing, because you are a one eyed fan boy who wants the death of HD DVD. And there in lies the fundamental difference between red and blu supporters, sure I want my side to win and i wont support blu, but i couldn't care less if blu ray died or not, as long as my choice is viable, good luck with yours, HD DVD is about consumer choice, blu ray is about forcing the product onto consumers no matter what the cost.
HD4ME, "Of course Xym you wouldn't do what Toshiba is doing, because you are a one eyed fan boy who wants the death of HD DVD." - Perhaps your reading comprehension is lacking. I said, "If I were Toshiba", as in "If I were in Toshiba's shoes with all their concerns, issues, financial stakes etc.".
The simple fact is that companies NEVER tell you when they're about to dump or usurp a device. You just have to read their intentions from what they're doing. Firesales of players should be a major clue that the format is dead.
"And there in lies the fundamental difference between red and blu supporters, sure I want my side to win and i wont support blu, but i couldn't care less if blu ray died or not, as long as my choice is viable, good luck with yours, HD DVD is about consumer choice, blu ray is about forcing the product onto consumers no matter what the cost."
Yes, for as we all know, squads of armed goons are rounding up citizens and forcing them to buy blu ray players at gunpoint. Idiot.
It's funny you bleat that its "about choice" and then whine that every single sales chart shows consumers are exercising their choice overwhelmingly for blu ray.
The practical effect of this is that there are several HD DVD movies out from them (including many of those supposedly 'Bu-ray exclusive' titles which are not, Studio Canal do them in HD DVD).
So what is on the Studio Canal Blu-ray side for the Blu-ray gang to get so excited about?
! French movie & 2 other French films which are supposedly coming some time later this year.
LMAO
I can really see the English-speaking PS3 owners buying those in large amounts, not.
Kinowelt is also a source of those supposedly 'Blu-ray exclusive titles' which are not.
Kinowelt isn't earth-shaking stuff but Studio Canal - Europe's biggest movie studio (bigger than Fox & Lionsgate combined) - are.
Studio Canal not only have a list of great movies to their name but they are involved in numerous international rights, publishing & distribution deals (going back decades) that ensure HD DVD gets many of those US Blu-ray exclusive movies.
Every time you see those lists of new Blu-ray releases it is thanks to people like Studio Canal & Kinowelt that many of those movies on the list will appear on HD DVD.
Nice.
It's another smart move which is keeping things going towards keeping HD DVD alive & well for us HD DVD owners to enjoy for many years to come.
Great.
Blu-ray have won nothing, merely the PS3 market (and even there they have a job convincing many PS3 owners to bother to buy BD movies).
But remember Blu-ray/PS3 fans, as Blu-ray fails to escape the niche & take off & they bilk your senseless for the captive market that you are, grit your teeth and pretend you love it, eh?
Truth Teller, I know you have only a passing relationship with reality but if you bothered to look up what films StudioCanal produce or distribute you would see quite a few recognizable titles, some of which are currently doing quite well in the HD DVD charts. http://www.imdb.com/company/co0047476/.
If StudioCanal did dump HD DVD entirely then it wouldn't be good news for HD DVD at all.
DrXym I think you're the one with the slight & light grasp on reality here.
Studio Canal have indeed released many HD DVD titles (where the hell did I ever say any different?).
But several months ago we were 'treated' to the Blu-ray/PS3 gang crowing about them going format neutral.
I have merely pointed out what that means, 1 French BD movie & 2 other supposedly following.
Quite how you've managed to work your Blu-ray uber alles wet-dream of Studio Canal dropping HD DVD into this (when they have in fact extended HD DVD's title range & reach with the Kinowelt deal) is something only you can explain.
Truth Teller, the point is that Christ Frost is hyping up some business news regarding StudioCanal as if it's great news for HD DVD. It isn't. It doesn't even mention HD DVD.
And since every EU distributor is dumping HD DVD, it doesn't sound wise at all to be mentioning StudioCanal since the chances are, their own decision for dumping HD DVD can't be far off. You can pretend of course in whatever magical fairytale land you inhabit that they'll continue to support HD DVD forever. The reality of course is that HD DVD is already as good as dead in Europe and no distributor is going to bother with it for much longer.
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Chris Frost @ Feb 8th 2008 12:23AM
Engadget?! I submit some positive news for HD DVD and you completely ignore it. The minute you get anything negative to post about HD DVD you don't miss a beat. Are you hell bent against the format these days? It appears that way. So, since you won't post it, I will. As many of you know Studio Canal supports HD DVD in Europe so the following news is a pretty big deal for the format.
StudioCanal acquires Kinowelt
By Rebecca Leffler and Scott Roxborough
Jan 18, 2008
French movie powerhouse StudioCanal has officially bought up 100% of German independent distributor Kinowelt, the companies said Thursday.
The move makes StudioCanal the largest pan-European film distribution company with operations in the continent's three largest markets: France, Germany and the U.K., after the Gallic company bought Optimum Releasing in 2006.
"We're the only European company to have such a direct presence in the top three markets, "StudioCanal's chairman and CEO Olivier Courson told The Hollywood Reporter. With a stake in these three top territories, StudioCanal will control a market worth 3 billion euros ($4.4 billion) in boxoffice receipts and 7 billion euros ($10.2 billion) in home video sales. StudioCanal will add Kinowelt's 7,000-plus library titles to its already 5,000-strong catalog.
"Our priority is to develop our strategy in each of these three countries and band them together to create a European network," Courson said. StudioCanal is hoping to not only profit from Kinowelt's massive library of DVD rights and distribution benefits, but also aggressively develop the company's international production activities.
StudioCanal plans to invest 200 million euros ($292.2 million) per year in both local and international film production, over 30 million euros ($43.8 million) more than the group's current investment. "We're in a great position to develop international production. We want to be the choice for a European co-producer," Courson said.
He added: "We're going to partner more and more with the U.S. majors and take advantage of remake rights. This is our new strategy, and we're going to amplify it with the acquisition of Kinowelt." StudioCanal wholly funded Wong Kar Wai's "My Blueberry Nights" in 2006 and already has a slew of international co-productions in the works including Johnny To's next film featuring an international cast and a confidential "U.S. studio partner" and a prequel/remake of John Carpenter's "Escape From New York."
Kinowelt has been distributing StudioCanal's films in Germany for years, and the companies plan to extend their strong professional relationship. Michael and Rainer Kolmel will remain in their positions as senior advisers to Kinowelt, Michael for strategy and Rainer for acquisitions.
Both companies refused to comment on the price tag of the merger, rumored to be in the 70 million euro ($103 million) range.
The deal, signed late Wednesday night, will be officially set in motion "as quickly as possible," according to StudioCanal, which hopes to see the acquisition in place by the end of February or beginning of March.
Nfinity @ Feb 8th 2008 12:59AM
Don't get upset man. They do this very often. For example, not only they completely dismiss news but they fail to report actually valid tech/gadget stuff.
For example, I posted before:
Toshiba to Keep Aloof from Chinese HD-DVD Player Sector (Massive movements on mass production and China support)
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1059124/
CyberLink Patent Included in HD DVD Essential Patent Portfolio
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?epi-content=GENERIC&newsId=20080131005481&ndmHsc=v2*A1199192400000*B1201839999000*DgroupByDate*J2*L1*N1000837*Zhd%20dvd&newsLang=en&beanID=202776713&viewID=news_view
Broadcom's Media PC Technology Enables Toshiba to Feature High Quality HD DVD Playback for Mid-Level Mobile Personal Computers
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-29-2008/0004744780&EDATE=#linktopagetop
and quite a few others.. but you know, you can't expect that.. but some ridiculous studio in Sweden goes Blu-ray exclusive and it's not even 100% confirmed... there goes the EngadgetBD putting their spin on it.
Nfinity @ Feb 8th 2008 1:11AM
Also, no mention of Warner movies too that clearly give more value to consumers once more.
I'm LEGEND HD DVD offers more to consumers then Blu-Ray version despite the price.
HD DVD version includes all of the features from Blu-Ray, better menus and COMBO disc (with SD DVD version for playback on regular DVD players)
http://www.movieweb.com/dvd/news/55/25755.php
HD4ME @ Feb 8th 2008 2:50AM
Yeah, lets see if my post gets pulled again, as soon as you have an opinion about this site supporting blu it gets yanked, no bias here!
I see Walmart has sold out of A3s as the player numbers are surging, no mention of that fact of course, but Sven's Sandal factory in outer Sweden is huge news!
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2008/02/07/hd-dvd-box-sold-out-at-walmartcom-in-hd-dvd-vs-blu-ray-war/
HD4ME @ Feb 8th 2008 2:56AM
Toshibas price cut may be paying off as retailers like Wal-Mart and Amazon discount the player, bringing it even closer to the magic $100 mark. If the number of consumers who own an HD DVD player continues to grow, it will be difficult for studios to ignore the potential sales dollars.
oops, sorry for double post!
John Drinkwater @ Feb 8th 2008 6:06AM
erm, isnt StudioCanal one of those few companies supporting both Blu-ray and HD DVD? And so is Kinowelt.
How is that good news for HD DVD?
Its no different to yesterday.
DrXym @ Feb 8th 2008 6:13AM
@Chris Frost, So where is the positive news for HD DVD? Studio Canal+ (who have released some HD DVD titles) have bought another studio. It doesn't say anything about their future commitment to HD DVD. It's certainly hard to see why you think they'll stay with the format when virtually every other European distributor is going Blu Ray. Not surprising really since Blu Ray dominates HD DVD in Europe.
I think you're just setting yourself up for a major fall by pretending some random business news is good news for HD DVD. It can only be a matter of time before Canal+ dumps HD DVD too.
@HD4ME, Walmart selling out of A3 players is a meaningless observation without knowing how many they had to begin with, if they intend to restock them and so on. After all, the whole point of firesales is to get rid of stock as fast as possible. It doesn't mean its especially profitable for the retailer or any indication that the format will succeed.
Indeed, if I were Toshiba and my format was doomed, I would stay schtum on my intentions and try to clear whatever players I had in my supply line for whatever price I could get just to cut my losses. Then I would announce the format was discontinued. The same thing appears to be happening here although some fanboys appear too emotionally invested to recognize the signs for what they are.
HD4ME @ Feb 8th 2008 6:27AM
Of course Xym you wouldn't do what Toshiba is doing, because you are a one eyed fan boy who wants the death of HD DVD.
And there in lies the fundamental difference between red and blu supporters, sure I want my side to win and i wont support blu, but i couldn't care less if blu ray died or not, as long as my choice is viable, good luck with yours, HD DVD is about consumer choice, blu ray is about forcing the product onto consumers no matter what the cost.
DrXym @ Feb 8th 2008 6:36AM
HD4ME, "Of course Xym you wouldn't do what Toshiba is doing, because you are a one eyed fan boy who wants the death of HD DVD." - Perhaps your reading comprehension is lacking. I said, "If I were Toshiba", as in "If I were in Toshiba's shoes with all their concerns, issues, financial stakes etc.".
The simple fact is that companies NEVER tell you when they're about to dump or usurp a device. You just have to read their intentions from what they're doing. Firesales of players should be a major clue that the format is dead.
"And there in lies the fundamental difference between red and blu supporters, sure I want my side to win and i wont support blu, but i couldn't care less if blu ray died or not, as long as my choice is viable, good luck with yours, HD DVD is about consumer choice, blu ray is about forcing the product onto consumers no matter what the cost."
Yes, for as we all know, squads of armed goons are rounding up citizens and forcing them to buy blu ray players at gunpoint. Idiot.
It's funny you bleat that its "about choice" and then whine that every single sales chart shows consumers are exercising their choice overwhelmingly for blu ray.
Truth Teller @ Feb 8th 2008 7:32AM
Studio Canal are supposedly format neutral.
The practical effect of this is that there are several HD DVD movies out from them (including many of those supposedly 'Bu-ray exclusive' titles which are not, Studio Canal do them in HD DVD).
So what is on the Studio Canal Blu-ray side for the Blu-ray gang to get so excited about?
! French movie & 2 other French films which are supposedly coming some time later this year.
LMAO
I can really see the English-speaking PS3 owners buying those in large amounts, not.
Kinowelt is also a source of those supposedly 'Blu-ray exclusive titles' which are not.
Kinowelt isn't earth-shaking stuff but Studio Canal - Europe's biggest movie studio (bigger than Fox & Lionsgate combined) - are.
Studio Canal not only have a list of great movies to their name but they are involved in numerous international rights, publishing & distribution deals (going back decades) that ensure HD DVD gets many of those US Blu-ray exclusive movies.
Every time you see those lists of new Blu-ray releases it is thanks to people like Studio Canal & Kinowelt that many of those movies on the list will appear on HD DVD.
Nice.
It's another smart move which is keeping things going towards keeping HD DVD alive & well for us HD DVD owners to enjoy for many years to come.
Great.
Blu-ray have won nothing, merely the PS3 market (and even there they have a job convincing many PS3 owners to bother to buy BD movies).
But remember Blu-ray/PS3 fans, as Blu-ray fails to escape the niche & take off & they bilk your senseless for the captive market that you are, grit your teeth and pretend you love it, eh?
DrXym @ Feb 8th 2008 8:59AM
Truth Teller, I know you have only a passing relationship with reality but if you bothered to look up what films StudioCanal produce or distribute you would see quite a few recognizable titles, some of which are currently doing quite well in the HD DVD charts. http://www.imdb.com/company/co0047476/.
If StudioCanal did dump HD DVD entirely then it wouldn't be good news for HD DVD at all.
Truth Teller @ Feb 8th 2008 9:13AM
DrXym I think you're the one with the slight & light grasp on reality here.
Studio Canal have indeed released many HD DVD titles (where the hell did I ever say any different?).
But several months ago we were 'treated' to the Blu-ray/PS3 gang crowing about them going format neutral.
I have merely pointed out what that means, 1 French BD movie & 2 other supposedly following.
Quite how you've managed to work your Blu-ray uber alles wet-dream of Studio Canal dropping HD DVD into this
(when they have in fact extended HD DVD's title range & reach with the Kinowelt deal)
is something only you can explain.
Fail.
DrXym @ Feb 8th 2008 10:02AM
Truth Teller, the point is that Christ Frost is hyping up some business news regarding StudioCanal as if it's great news for HD DVD. It isn't. It doesn't even mention HD DVD.
And since every EU distributor is dumping HD DVD, it doesn't sound wise at all to be mentioning StudioCanal since the chances are, their own decision for dumping HD DVD can't be far off. You can pretend of course in whatever magical fairytale land you inhabit that they'll continue to support HD DVD forever. The reality of course is that HD DVD is already as good as dead in Europe and no distributor is going to bother with it for much longer.