http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/ Engadget HD Comments for http://www.engadgethd.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgethd.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 2nd 2008 7:58PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 2nd 2008 8:21PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 2nd 2008 8:30PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 2nd 2008 9:20PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/(and that's whenever profile 2.0 players ever appear - many of us will never put a game console in our a/v rack).

We're already investing several hundred $/£'s worth on DRVs for our HD TV services which offer 'HD all the time' as opposed to a periodic expensive Blu-ray disc.

If so many people just don't see Blu-ray as worth the cost for the benefits it offers then you sure as hell are not going to be convincing many that HD TV services are not worth it.

The exception here is HD DVD.
It is a complete spec & is able to get cheap enough fast enough - and Twin discs (and combos) mean no-one gets left behind.

All a complete Blu-ray win can do is ensure HDMs on disc remain a niche product.]]>Feb 2nd 2008 9:26PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 2nd 2008 9:26PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 2nd 2008 9:27PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
Your douchebaggery has no limit. It's not even a format war related post and you have to find any opportunity to spin your lies. Get over it, HD DVD is DEAD.

Anyhow, BACK ON TOPIC, I really don't think the current HD download offerings are any better than upscaled DVD movies. I have watched plenty of so-called HD movie rentals from XBL and none have blown me away or have looked noticeably better than DVD.
OTOH, both BD and HD DVD are MUCH better than any upscaled DVD could ever look. I personally don't think d/l movies will take off for another 5 or so years so BLU-RAY has plenty of time to overtake the DVD market and replace it as THE format for HD movie goodness.]]>Feb 2nd 2008 9:31PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
However IF bluray wins I'd rather support Digital Download thru some reliable service/company than buy anything sony owned.

Thats why I hope HD DVD pulls off a miracle and is able to fight its way back into a competitive spot.]]>Feb 2nd 2008 9:35PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 2nd 2008 9:45PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/You really don't get it. When people say that HD media isn't much if any better than upressed DVD, there is no support for ANY hd media.

There is NO reason to pay any more, and while the toshiba HD-DVD players are good they are more expensive than a normal upscaling DVD player and the movies cost more than regular dvd's.

HD-DVD failed to convience consumers that there is an added value in HD media. You are basically saying that consumers will never see any added value.

HD-DVD failed to convience consumers HD was worth any extra money. BD has been able to convience consumers that there is a value in HDM. Only where consumers see value will the market grow.

Give away your product for free for to long and that is what people think it's worth.]]>Feb 2nd 2008 9:50PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
But, this is supposed to follow Eric's 1st comment:

-Don't forget, too, that those HD downloads might just be laden with the lousy type of DRM that invalidates (and makes unplayable) your copy when the providing company goes out of business. Hasn't this happened on several occasions with music download services? Me, if I'm buying a movie for $20, or even an old, $5 Wal-Mart discount-bin special for that matter, I expect it to work forever (ie: until I choose to sell it or change to a different format). If there is any risk of DRM schemes and company bankruptcies making my movie stop working, I want the price to reflect that...and be just slightly more than a rental fee.]]>Feb 2nd 2008 10:17PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
Combo discs would have been nice, but I still prefer the hard coating over combo discs.]]>Feb 2nd 2008 10:21PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
Please give it a rest. Your like a broken record, skipping and playing the same stuff over and over and over. Not even a good one at the more like that horrible song "Walk the dinosaur".

You've been exposed!!! You have zero!!!! credibility anymore.

In 1 year the difference in price between HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be so negligible that no-one will notice. This will be about the same time that enough people will own HD Tv's that there will be enough people to make the numbers you complain about not meaning anything actually mean something.

One thing this article shows though is that at some point HD VOD will be competition for the HD disk formats. In order for it to compete effectively it's going to need other markets than movie sales to help keep prices pushing lower. Blu-ray has data storage. This is a market that HD-DVD has zero chance in. The 30GB limit is just plain to small. When you can now buy DL-DVD's below $1 a piece why would anyone even consider HD-DVD for data. HD-DVD is a dead technology. It's nothing more than DVD with a better laser. It reminds of a nice 2 car that has 4 seats, but those back two are great when your just a couple and even works when the kids are 5-6 years years old. Now though the kids are getting up there and they're getting squished in the back. Sure you can make them fit, but wouldn't it be better to just go ahead and move on to the the next size up so that you've got room to grow]]>Feb 2nd 2008 10:43PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
People that prefer "HD" downloads don't care for high quality PQ. Either way, downloads won't take the place of physical media anytime soon.]]>Feb 2nd 2008 11:06PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
People that prefer "HD" downloads don't care for high quality PQ. Either way, downloads won't take the place of physical media anytime soon.]]>Feb 2nd 2008 11:06PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 2nd 2008 11:11PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 2nd 2008 11:12PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 2nd 2008 11:40PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
Why?

1) Studios will take nearly that long before they can figure out how to either deliver the desired content to the consumer adequately or strike deals with content providers.

2) The internet bandwidth of the entire nation is NO WHERE NEAR capable right now of providing there amount of content that people are talking about if you are wanting it to REPLACE optical discs. Even if you could squish an HD movie into 10GB without losing quality, can you imagine what would happen when 12M people start downloading the 7th Harry Potter movie on the same day? They would have to regulate the downloads (making them take days) and then the "quick and easy" downloading method has lost it's luster. In order for downloadable HD movies to be a reality, new cable must be laid by the internet providers nationwide and across the oceans. This is expensive, and very time-consuming.

3) Computers and related products are unreliable. What happens when your computer/device/hard drive crashes or fails? You loose all your valuable purchases--unless you buy additional drives to back-up your data (expensive!) or back it up on...optical discs! At this point, downloading becomes not more convenience, but less. When a Blu-ray player brakes, you don't loose your content too. When your DVR/Apple TV/computer brakes...you're SOL unless you've purchased expensive back-up options.

4) Most people--including even the majority of people on an uber-nerd site such as Engadget, I'd wager--would still prefer to have the movie IN THEIR HAND as opposed to locked inside a device. Some simply don't "trust" the downloading or computerized method, others want to have something to look at on their shelves, others simply prefer the safely of a tactile object to the ones and zeros. Case in point--why hasn't the iPOD completely destroyed CDs? Why do they even sell CDs nowadays? Because most people still prefer that method of ownership.

5) The ease of portability and compatibility of optical discs is unmatchable in the foreseeable future. If you want to go to a friend's movie party and bring your favorite film to share, you can easily slip a DVD or Blu-ray in your pocket. If you download something on your DVR / AppleTV / etc...not so much. You can't lend it out, you can't borrow it, you can't do frickin' anything with that expensive purchase accept watch it on one specific device located in a specific time and space. That's just plain lame. I want to bring my movies on trips, lend them to friends, and then copy them onto my portable devices when necessary. No large-scale downloadable scheme will allow this.

6) When you realize 2 days after the guy's night that "Howard the Duck" wasn't really the best movie ever made, you can sell it off on eBay or a used video store and get back some of your cash. When you "buy" a downloadable movie, those ones and zeros are yours for life.

For rentals, I think that VOD or downloadable media has a real shot in the next few years. But for purchases...we're a long way off yet, sadly.]]>Feb 2nd 2008 11:46PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 3rd 2008 12:02AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
Rentals is another story, but buying a HD movie for 34.95 only to have your HDD fail and lose it is lame.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 12:14AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/(1)HD-DVD fanboys who knew in their hearts long ago they lost the
format war. They want to rally behind something they think has a
chance at beating Blu-Ray, as some sort of revenge.

And even before those idiots existed, there were (2) the ones who
didn't like the idea of HDM to begin with. These people just don't
want to have to switch formats for one reason or another, and so they
try and find something they can rally behind that will kill HDM. They
probably feel that DVDs can survive side-by-side with downloads.

Some of these morons will go into a HDM/format war discussion, and
post a link to some stupid experimental holographic disc format thats
about 20 years away, saying thats what they wanna wait for.

IF digital downloads, or some variation thereof, ever becomes
successful at any rate, its first going to be On-Demand HD from cable
companies. No Internet required, no hardware purchase even. And its
basically here now. And if they were smart, they tie it into iPods or
whatever portable digital media device. I don't even think the latter
part is going to happen, with Blu-Ray movies packaging digital
versions for portable media players (where's your managed copy now,
HD-DVD?). DVD might even get into this game.
]]>Feb 3rd 2008 12:52AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
While the picture is definitely better, there are plenty of drawbacks that keep them from truly being a "superior" format: bugs, glitches, slow boot-up times, incompatibilities, constant firmware updates, audio codec confusion, picture quality inconsistencies, poor mastering, sh!tty mastering, lack of next-gen features...do I need to keep going? HD DVD and BD have been out for over a year, they aren't going to be much better this year...they shot and missed. Let's move on...]]>Feb 3rd 2008 1:00AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 3rd 2008 1:07AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
I will continue to buy my entertainment on physical media, thank you. I have never downloaded a movie and as of now, I don't plan to. I would much rather walk over to my shelf and choose a film from my collection with artwork on the cover and a disc inside that I know will be around and not left to the dependability level of a hard drive.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 1:27AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
I certainly don't want to keep re-buying the same movies over and over again. Companies that release several versions of the same film on disc but with special features, left a bitter taste in my mouth.

On the next generation front, I'm somewhat unhappy with Warner Bros for forcing consumers to choose Blu-Ray over HD DVD. I personally don't see anything wrong with two competiting formats. I'd would have liked to have see movies released for both formats from all studios and let the consumers decide, instead of letting the corporations decide for us by not supporting one format over another. I think that was the final nail in the coffin for me regarding disc ownership. I don't like to be forced into a format. Nor do I appreciate the loss of a $199 or $99 player in favor of going to a format whose player is $399 on up.

I'm fine with renting over owning, and I really don't care about discs anymore. Regarding downloading or streaming movies, I'm finding that I'm doing it more and more. Between Netflix, Apple, Hulu, and other on demand options I'm quite content with the way the future is headed.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 2:08AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/somewhere in the neighborhood of 400+ titles. After the initial
run-through and special features, I've found that I rarely return to
the bulk of the collection. There are titles I'll watch again, but
that number is relatively small. For some reason, I bought into
ownership of movies because the movies themselves were so cheap to
own. But in the end, I'm not sure it's worth the cost. I'm happier
renting the movie, watching once, and then moving on. If I want to
watch again, I can simply rent the movie again. My rental fees are
flat rate per month via Netflix.

I certainly don't want to keep re-buying the same movies over and
over again. Companies that release several versions of the same film
on disc but with special features, left a bitter taste in my mouth.

On the next generation front, I'm somewhat unhappy with Warner Bros
for forcing consumers to choose Blu-Ray over HD DVD. I personally
don't see anything wrong with two competiting formats. I'd would
have liked to have see movies released for both formats from all
studios and let the consumers decide, instead of letting the
corporations decide for us by not supporting one format over another.
I think that was the final nail in the coffin for me regarding disc
ownership. I don't like to be forced into a format. Nor do I
appreciate the loss of a $199 or $99 player in favor of going to a
format whose player is $399 on up.

I'm fine with renting over owning, and I really don't care about
discs anymore. Regarding downloading or streaming movies, I'm
finding that I'm doing it more and more. Between Netflix, Apple,
Hulu, and other on demand options I'm quite content with the way the
future is headed.
]]>Feb 3rd 2008 2:09AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 3rd 2008 2:57AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/As the now very young generation reach our stage, discs will probably be viewed as old fashioned and a thing of the past.
I have a large disc library, but I can imagine in a few years my now 10 & 13 year olds only wanting to download as they would view the disc library mentality as laughably old fashioned and out of date......" discs!.... eeeew, that was like my father had, nooo way".

Even myself, I could see the day when i will only purchase the very select and special movies to keep, (especially at today's HD media prices), and download the mundane.

]]>Feb 3rd 2008 3:32AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Feb 3rd 2008 7:10AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/10/hd-dvd-booth-tour/comments/9762403/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/04/warner-goes-blu-ray-exclusive/comments/9656312/
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/30/slysoft-claims-to-have-cracked-bd-naysayers-fall-quiet/comments/8409885/

I'm quite tech minded myself, but sometimes you need to go beyond that... think out of the box. Don't limit your thoughts on improvements on existing tech (incremental innovation) but think what the world could be like (radical innovation).... Gee I could make money with this :-P.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 7:12AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/10/hd-dvd-booth-tour/comments/9762403/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/04/warner-goes-blu-ray-exclusive/comments/9656312/
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/30/slysoft-claims-to-have-cracked-bd-naysayers-fall-quiet/comments/8409885/

I'm quite tech minded myself, but sometimes you need to go beyond that... think out of the box. Don't limit your thoughts on improvements on existing tech (incremental innovation) but think what the world could be like (radical innovation).... Gee I could make money with this :-P.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 7:14AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
Oooowwww, so hurtful.

Laughably pathetic.

Reduced to idiotic crass abuse, mmmmmm that's persuasive, not.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 8:15AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
Existing DVD's give a good example of the enduring quality of physical media. How many times has "Pretty Woman" been on TV? For those with a DVR I expect you have to wait no longer than a few days to snag a copy. If that is so easy to do why do they still sell the DVD? And no, I don't think it was the director's comments that tipped the tide. Almost all consumers are collectors to some extent. For a few their kid's 20 Disney titles form the household treasure, for me it's three 400 disk changers nearly full, but in any case most consumers are collectors of some ilk. I expect that while Bluray will eventually be obsoleted by another technology it won't be VOD it'll be another physical format. As flash memory continues to drop in price we are not that far off to sell movies on flash dives. And no trolls I didn't read that somewhere I was just predicting that some type of new physical technology will replace a scratch prone piece of plastic. ]]>Feb 3rd 2008 8:57AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
Still it is there & still it sells hardware very nicely.

Blu-ray is still wholly dependent on the PS3 & the game console niche generally
(and now openly advising people not to bother with any other player for safety's sake - LMAO).

This is all far from over.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 9:27AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
Chris is correct the average consumer has a hard time seeing the difference. The best thing about Digital Downloads is it can start today without a huge investment in a television set to see the merits of the product. ]]>Feb 3rd 2008 9:53AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
HD DVD players are going below cost if you relaize, Toshiba is loosing alot of money just to clear out inventory. So while u think HD dvd is more affordable...NO not really think about it they are selling at a loss now trying to beat BLURAY what do u think is goign to happen if HDDVD does win....prices skyrocket so they can make up for lost profits and loss or revenue.

HD is a good format but in no ways is HD superior to BLU Ray or vice versa...i'm beginning to think this is purelyu for your hatred for SONY whihc i Don't understand why alot of people hate Sony as they have contributed alot to the tchnological world.

They do own alot of brands and have a lot of shares in other competitor brands. They own alot of shares in Toshiba as toshiba holds alot of shares in Playstation so either way for both companies its awin win situation....get over it and have a look outdoors once in a while maybe step outside your basement and see what the grill has been cooking.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 9:58AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
ha-haaaaa, aah-haha,hahaa,heheheeee,hahaha,
haha,hahaha, whoo,hoho,haha, ahaa, ahaa, haha,
ahem. . .,haha, ha . .

Sorry redboy, the winning horse is
a horse of a different colour.

haha-ohohooo]]>Feb 3rd 2008 10:47AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
whoo,hoho,haha, ahaa, ahaa, haha, ahem. . .
haha, ha . . .

Pefect Self-description

ahaaaa-hahaha-haha, you are a funny clown]]>Feb 3rd 2008 10:50AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
Yeaha,hahaha, go red go, hahahaaaa, whohohoho,
You . . .
ahahahahaha, hohooooo
you - call them - on repetition . . .
ohhoho,hohoh, yohohohohoho
You, the king of winter re-runs,
ahahahaha, ohhohoho,
You jolly old jester, ahahaha]]>Feb 3rd 2008 10:58AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
And as long as there is a Walmart that you can go out to and purchase media at, I don't see hard copy media dying out. You will see the market go similar as music online has but people like me will always go out to stores to purchase media mostly for it insured of liability, easy of use, and resell factor.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 10:59AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
Prove it. Prove that HD DVD players are being sold beloew cost - and then tell us how this is any different to the PS3 being sold beloew cost for years?

I find it laughable how movie lovers are the ones described as the indoors basement types and not the game console kids.
Yeah right.

@ TruthCommenter

You really have no shame, eh?
Whoever told you you were really funny was telling you cruel lies.
Talk about turning reality on it's head.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 11:38AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
If VOD is not and will not be such a big deal then how come it took Apple only 3 months to catch and pass Blu-ray's movie sales numbers then, hmmmm?]]>Feb 3rd 2008 11:39AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
Pop in the DVD version of Harry Potter 5 into your Blu-ray player. Then put in the Blu-ray version. You're teeth will fall out of your head (unless you tv really sucks).

I would agree that HD media via cable, satellite tv, or downloads are only "marginally better" that upscaled dvds in my experience. But not so with Blu-ray. I haven't seen any HD-DVDs yet but I'd assume they are about the same PQ as Blu.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 12:22PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
(1) there's no seamless download solution for the minimally-technical or non-technical people. in other words, to play DVDs, all you need is the ability to plug a box into your TV. to do downloads, you need significant technical ability to get the thing running on a wireless or wired network.

that may be easy for anyone on this forum, but it can be a non-trivial task for others. think about the people struggling to work the self-checkout scanner at the grocery store. now picture them trying to get a HTPC configured.

Apple TV is probably the closest to a no-brainer system, but it still requires some technical ability. I can see cable companies integrating this sort of delivery into the cable box DVR if we go to IPTV, but that's a way off.

(2) as others have commented, there are the matters of DRM and HDD failure. people who purchased google and MLB videos learned the hard way the perils of being dependent upon someone else's DRM server. suppose your HDD conks - the DRM has prevented you from making backups and do you think the studios are going to give you new copies for free?

(3) bandwidth. broadband penetration is still not total, and a lot of people in the US have 512 mbs "broadband." that aint enough to be downloading the gigs you need for HD content.

(4) picture quality. you KNOW that the online providers are going to try to save on their own bandwidth costs by compressing the living daylights out of the content. this means compression artifacts, like the ones on current iTunes content. no problem if you are watching on your iPhone, but pretty unsatisfactory if you are on your 42" HDTV.

(5) portability. you can, with ease, watch your DVDs and HD disks wherever you have a player. that means your car, your laptop, your el-cheapo portable player, your office PC, and so forth. you can also lend them to others. the DRM that comes with downloads will prevent this for downloads - or at least make you buy DRM-compatable hardware and jump through registration hoops.

so, I don't think that downloads are going to be replacing physical media in the foreseeable future. where could they make inroads?

(1) movie rentals. Apple TV will probably be a reasonable success and will spawn imitating set-top boxes from others.

(2) TV shows. lots of these are not archive worthy and people are willing to pay rather than watch commercials and catch shows that their DVRs missed. I figure this is going to be a big item for the newly PC-independent Apple TV 2.0. hopefully, NBC and Apple will kiss and make up, so we can get Sci-Fi network content back onto iTunes.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 12:28PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/doug
there's no seamless download solution for the minimally-technical or non-technical people.
=================================================================================

There is.
It's called a partitioned DVR that records/downloads automatically a selection of your HD TV services' movies & shows to the HDD without the owners having to do anything technical.

No bandwidth/infrastructure worries and no fuss.

Couldn't be easier for the technically challenged.

The 'true' downloading can come later as the ISPs tackle the bandwidth/infrastructure issues and improve the situation in the coming couple of years.

(which is why I am convinced that Blu-ray is far too late & will never have genuine mass-market appeal in time)]]>Feb 3rd 2008 12:59PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/
I truly believe that Blue Ray will be the last Optical media that will be mainstream for the next 10 years. Just my opinion.

Side note-
Strange thing about all this mess is that If the PS3 does well in the market Toshiba will do well, because Sony sold them the Cell processor Production Facilities/business. Funny stuff indeed...]]>Feb 3rd 2008 3:19PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Right now you are right. People with the cash to flash, and there seem to be many. Can use the cable provider HD box and also purchase video on demand.

Even through content recorded off cable has commercials and is edited for time I don't think most people will mind.

However for VOD prices are to high for most things worth watching.$5-7 is more than it costs to rent a physical disk. It's fairly close to the purchase price of a dvd.


For myself I can't really justify spending $1200+ a year on digital cable. I'd rather get a series from netflix and purchase it if it's good.

Lost, Futrurerama,Heros and Rome even at msrp cost well under the cable price.]]>Feb 3rd 2008 3:22PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/02/hd-movie-downloads-to-trump-blu-ray-hd-dvd-not-so-fast/Gamer XoverY

Hi all .. again. After owing both formats for about two months and seeing both and hearing both in action. I like HD-Dvd overall.. but before the WB announcement (2 weeks before) I sold my HD-Player HD movies on amazon and decided to go blue
================================================================================

Wherever you stand in this debate this is one kind of comment I just don't understand at all.

Why on earth would anyone dump their already bought & paid for collection of HD DVD movies & their HD DVD player?

It's going to be a very long time until even the dual format producers bring out certain titles on Blu-ray (Matrix for instance)
and you have no possible way of guessing just how long - if ever - the Universal & Paramount movies will take to appear on Blu-ray.

I can understand people going 'purple' but why on earth someone who already owns HD DVD would get rid of the lot to go Blu-ray relly doesn't make any sense to me.

I'd also add that this is even weirder for me cos I rate an aweful lot of Blu-ray movies as the worst trashy populist cr@p - and no, I'm not saying HD DVD's catalogue is immune to this effect either, but there's a lot less of it & I can genuinely say I find the HD DVD selection more appealing.

I'm sorry to but can honestly say that I'd be really pushed to name '10 Blu-ray must have' titles that I do not already own on HD DVD.
]]>Feb 3rd 2008 3:48PM