Ask Engadget HD: What's the best consumer HD camcorder?

"I'm looking for a full HD camcorder. I don't mind shelling out a little dough, but I will draw the line at $1,500. It has to be hybrid media, though I don't want anything involving optical media (so flash-based is okay). I'd prefer control over frame rate and compression method, but I understand that those features might be too much to ask for on a sub-prosumer cam. I'm looking for a larger-than-average, easy to read screen, and a decent battery life. Help, please!"
You can almost hear the frustration in his voice, now can't you? C'mon -- we know at least some of you HD aficionados out there have bit the bullet and picked up an HD camcorder by now, so take a moment of your lunch break and tell poor Heyward what's what.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
harrijs @ Jan 30th 2008 12:18PM
It looks to me like you included a picture of the camera that he is looking for. Canon HV-20.
Charles @ Jan 30th 2008 1:42PM
Tape based HDV camcorder still have superior picture quality. All those new flash based camcorders stink. The Canon HV20 is still the best and it's really cheap right now.
harrijs @ Jan 30th 2008 12:19PM
I would still prefer to have my media be DV. I don't believe in AVCHD, yet.
pdoggeth @ Jan 30th 2008 12:27PM
Just like the previous commenter and the picture suggests, an HV20 is in my opinion the best camcorder available (in terms of quality). Unfortunately it is HDV tape based, so I don't know about it qualifying for your hybrid media. Control-wise, the HV20 is pretty easy to use and access manual options from the joystick on the back -- though the joystick does seem a bit "fragile". There are sufficient amount of options to choose from, one of my favourites being a 24 fps mode (which produces just stunning picture quality).
I can't highly recommend this camcorder enough. The HV30 is out now, and it's basically a slightly beefed up HV20, but either one would be a great choice.
Aaron @ Jan 30th 2008 12:31PM
The consensus among the Video Journalism crowd is the Canon HV20.
Mike Rosenblum has a good anecdote here, and Mindy McAdams bought them for her students.
Oh, and Wired loves it too.
Aaron @ Jan 30th 2008 12:33PM
Oh, stupid comments don't allow hrefs.
3 links mentioned above:
Rosenblum: http://rosenblumtv.wordpress.com/2007/05/15/putting-the-future-on-hold/
McAdams: http://mindymcadams.com/tojou/2007/which-video-camera-to-buy/
Wired: http://www.wired.com/gadgets/digitalcameras/magazine/test2007/vc_canon_hv20
Lion @ Jan 30th 2008 12:48PM
I've been wondering about this too. Got a baby on the way in May, and I want to have something that will make sure that there are plenty of embarassing moments in glorious HD to show at his graduation and wedding.
I don't want any tapes or discs. Just flash or HDD ... Canon's great; but their products don't fit the bill.
Leo @ Jan 30th 2008 1:12PM
Anyone know anything about the Canon HG-10? It's HDD-based ...
dbowen @ Jan 30th 2008 12:51PM
I, too, have the HV20. Took it to China last spring and the videos are just mind-blowing. It has some great features and the automatic exposure was even able to capture the Chinese cultural stage shows and acrobat shows with amazing clarity and color. I used ordinary HDV tape from Costco--still the best way to store images for a long trip, in my view. I took ten hours of video in two weeks.
MHAithaca @ Jan 30th 2008 1:08PM
The timing of this post is perfect, since I'm in the process of selecting an HD camcorder for work. Thanks for the post and all the comments!
Alex V @ Jan 30th 2008 1:35PM
I to am looking for a camcorder for my workplace for filming of tests. We've already got a Sony HDR-HC5 1080i camera that is serviceable, but we're looking to get a few more. I'm fairly happy with this model, though I'd like to know if anyone has any opinions on whether there are other cameras in the ~$700 price range (like the HV-20) that would improve enough on this camera to warrant switching brands.
shawnmos @ Jan 30th 2008 1:22PM
My dad got the HV10 on clearance after the HV20 came out and the PQ is A-MAZING. I absolutely love it. I can only imagine that the HV20 has improved upon the already great HV10. The HV10 doesn't have HDMI, but component is fine. If you can get the HV10 for cheap don't be afraid to get one.
Jon Gourd @ Jan 30th 2008 1:34PM
I really like the JVC GZ-HD7. I looked at a lot of HD camcorders before choosing this one. What I really like it that you can record 5 hours with of HD onto its internal HD. It also has a 3CCD imager.
NoK610 @ Jan 30th 2008 5:00PM
Lol... random...
I'm also interested at looking for a Hi-def camcorder to replace my aged JVC. Of course 1080p preferable if any available, but definitely rather get HDV based camcorders since it's not compressing as much as the other formats. Any other brands that are comparable to the Canon?
David @ Jan 30th 2008 2:08PM
How does the HV20 compare to Sony's HDR-SR7? I'm also looking for a HD camcorder that is hard-drive based.
Twilight_Hitman @ Jan 30th 2008 2:34PM
Canon HV20 hands down:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/The-Great-HD-Shoot-Out---Canon-HV20-Sony-HDR-HC7-Panasonic-HDC-SD1-JVC-GZ-HD7.htm
It also received Camcorderinfo.com's camcorder of the year award:http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/CamInfo-Selects-2007-33545.htm
If you want something with Hybrid options, wait for the Canon HF10 Vixia to be released. It records AVCHD at a bitrate of 17Mbps; which is the highest I've seen so far:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-HF10-First-Impressions-Camcorder-Review-34262.htm
canoehead @ Jan 30th 2008 2:40PM
If you want the Sony SR7 HDD camera, I would suggest waiting a month for the SR11 - either you'll like it more or you'll get the SR11 cheap.
harrijs @ Jan 30th 2008 2:42PM
The people wanting HDD or flash based camcorders need to realize that they will probably record in AVCHD, which I believe is a real bear to edit with, not to mention its lower overall bitrate. I understand the attractiveness of a HDD or flash based camcorder, but I believe that anyone wanting to go for PQ will stick with DV for now.
canoehead @ Jan 30th 2008 2:43PM
Correction - I mean you'll be able to get the SR7 cheap(er)
chris @ Jan 30th 2008 2:46PM
I am also in the process of shopping for a new camera and was looking at the jvc gz-hd7. I don't see how the Canon HV20 is better. I looked at it first after reading wired but the GZ-hd7 looks far better. Can anyone tell me why to pick the Canon over JVC?
Jon Gourd @ Jan 30th 2008 3:13PM
I can't because the JVC is a fantastic camera. It does use a weird flavor of MPEG-2 but they give you the codec to use on a PC. On a Mac its best to transcode the files to Apple Intermediate Codec if you plan on editing in Final Cut.
chris @ Jan 30th 2008 3:51PM
Check out the link about the great hd camcorder shoot out. It makes me really second guess my choice.
ChayesFSS @ Jan 30th 2008 2:47PM
No Sony HDR_HC1 HDV MiniDV no care
comptr @ Jan 30th 2008 2:50PM
What About the Panasonic SD-5 it a HD cam that records on SD and uses avchd and the newer model the SD-9 does full HD 1920*1080p
ef @ Jan 30th 2008 3:23PM
Sony HDR-HC7
The quality and color are beautiful.
Works well indoors and features a super still camera as well.
I wouldn't trade it for any camera under $3k and i got it for $900 a year ago!
get it and you'll be happy...
Twilight_Hitman @ Jan 30th 2008 3:15PM
Chris, please read this link as to why you would want to pick the HV20 over the GZ-HD7:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/The-Great-HD-Shoot-Out---Canon-HV20-Sony-HDR-HC7-Panasonic-HDC-SD1-JVC-GZ-HD7.htm
The PQ is simply amazing on this camcorder. I shot a dance recital that my wife helped organize so that some of her performers could view it afterwards. I shot in HD; downcoverted the footage to DVD quality, (480p) and then burned the material to DVD discs. We had our neighbours over one night and I through the DVD on for kicks just to show them the quality. My neighbour thought I was lying...she thought it was a store bought professional DVD.
The HV20 also allows you to shoot in DV as well.
chris @ Jan 30th 2008 3:50PM
I have read the Shoot out review and am now really questioning my choice. The canon is cheaper and seems to produce a better image. I love the feel of the JVC GZ-HD7 but cant justify paying more for feel and lesser quality. I thought my choice was easy before this article now i am researching it more but definitely leaning twds a Canon.
Tommy Thorn @ Jan 30th 2008 7:55PM
I'm surprised no one mentioned that the HV20 got an update. The HV30 will be out in March (http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-HV30-Camcorder-Review-34401.htm) but the question you have to ask yourself is whether the changes (notably the 30 fps support) is worth the premium (HV30 $1000, HV20 ~ $700) and the wait (HV30 will be out in March). I'm still pounding that question.
Chodite @ Jan 30th 2008 10:44PM
Canon HV20!
Check out my beginner vids:
http://vimeo.com/chodite/videos
Anthony @ Jan 31st 2008 8:20AM
I've commented on this a few times in my TechThoughts blog, and I have to agree that the Canon HV20/ now HV30 is a good camcorder. But the problem is that, as good as it is, it lacks a long zoom (SD camcorders get optical zooms of 16 & 20x, or more while HD camcorders get lame 10 and 12x optical zooms) and both camcorders lack a Lanc or Control-L port so you can more easily use the zoom on a tripod. Or, for more professional users, they can start & stop the camcorder, push and pull the focus, zoom all while the camcorder is 30 feet up on a boom arm.
In the SD world, I loved the Panasonic DVC30 which had a phenomenal image, big screen, lots of dedicated buttons, a lens ring that I could pick what it controlled, a 16x optical lens, and a silky smooth zoom that wasn't limited to a "consumer looking" 5 steps. A HD version of that would be my choice, but it probably couldn't happen for under $1500.
Here were my thoughts on the HV30:
http://techthoughts.org/2008/01/29/canon-vixia-hv30-vs-venerable-hv20-review-is-in/
Ryan @ Jan 31st 2008 10:42AM
I've seen all the reviews praising the HV20, but what about the reliability of the tape mechanism? I have an older Canon MiniDV camera and the tape mechanism has broken 3 times. Tapes get wrinkled, creased or stuck in the camera. We also have two Canon XL-1s at work that have had similar problems. I personally don't trust the HDV/MiniDV tape format. Have others had similar problems?
Ty Dibble @ Feb 4th 2008 7:27AM
getting the hv20 myself...
Lee @ Feb 7th 2008 3:10PM
I got the Sony HDR-HC7 about 6 months ago.
I grappled a little while with whether to go DVD or Flash based as AVCHD cameras were popping up all over the place, however you will end up taking a big hit in bitrate going that way--its a sacrifice to go with the ease of use (i.e. record and just pop the AVCHD DVD into a PS3 and you're playing it--no editing required).
However, the hobbyist in me, wanted to edit it and AVCHD video editing is only recently coming on (Nobody did it when I bought my DVCAM). iMovie and Final Cut can now capture AVCHD--iMovie also has a nice "select what clip you want to transfer from the DVD" which is a nice upgrade from just captureing a whole MiniDV tape and having it auto cut the video into separate clips.
One of the things with the HDR-HC7 is the audio. Even though you've got higher bit rate video, you are only capturing 2 channel audio with the built in mic. I figured this was worth it to me for the better quality and color of the camera. I believe 5.1 was available in one of the HDD or Flash based Sony HD cameras that I looked at (See comments about AVCHD).
James @ Feb 8th 2008 6:02PM
Does the HV20 support SDHC?
E @ Apr 14th 2008 1:26AM
its not true 24p...so sad I was going to buy this, guess i'll wait and see what else comes out...