Viewed in perspective, HDM growth outpacing DVD

by Steven Kim, posted Jan 29th 2008 at 8:08PM

Viewed in perspective, HDM outpacing DVD

There are always at least three sides to format war discussions: red, blue and neither. In the "neither" camp, it's often cited that the total numbers in HDM are so small compared to, say, DVD that HDM just doesn't matter. But DVD has a ten-year head start on HDM, so it's not really a fair comparison. When viewing growth since inception, aggressive promotions in Q4 2007 actually put HDM's growth ahead of DVD's. We already got a hint of this at the BDA press conference, where a graph showed that HDM is in a similar growth trend to DVD and VHS, but it bears repeating -- in the big picture, HDM is doing just fine. But whatever your "side" in the war, you have to admit that HDM growth has been built upon two formats. So the question becomes what happens to growth if one format disappears versus both sides continuing on? We think mainstream adoption will require one format to emerge and the increased volume will outweigh any negative backlash from adopters of the losing format; what about you?

Filed under: Industry, Blu-ray, HD DVD

Tags: format war, FormatWar, HDM growth, HdmGrowth

Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)

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bluHD @ Jan 29th 2008 8:30PM

oh wow...that's new news...oh oops. that was last week's news.

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hd dvd 4 life @ Jan 29th 2008 8:35PM

>>>Disney Votes for 51GB HD DVD Media Approval.
Blu-Ray Backer Approves New HD DVD Standard

by Anton Shilov

Walt Disney Home Entertainment, a major Hollywood studio and one of the strongest backers of Blu-ray disc format, voted for approval of a preliminary specification of 51GB triple-layer HD DVD media, just like all the backers of HD DVD and unlike some other backers of Blu-ray Association within the DVD Forum, who typically abstain in HD DVD-related votes.

At the Steering Committee meeting in September Walt Disney Home Entertainment voted for triple layer twin-format HD DVD as well as triple layer HD DVD 51GB revision 1.9 preliminary media standards, according to the notes from the event available at the DVD Forum. During the meeting, twelve steering members of the DVD Forum out of twenty approved the former and eleven members approved the latter.

In both cases Walt Disney voted for the new HD DVD standards, whereas Samsung Electronics, which supports both Blu-ray and HD DVD with its Blu-ray disc (BD) and unified Blu-ray/HD DVD players, decided to abstain in voting for the 51GB HD DVD, just like some other members of the Blu-ray Association, who always withdraw from HD DVD votes, namely Hitachi, JVC, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Philips, Pioneer, Sharp and Sony.

Just last week the DVD Forum approved revision 2.0 of triple-layer HD DVD 51GB media, but the detailed results of the vote were not available at press time.

The fact that Walt Disney Home Entertainment, which official stance has always been strong Blu-ray support, may be an indicator that even members of the Blu-ray Association are potentially interested in the forthcoming versions of the HD DVD standard, which has been competing against BD for nearly two years in a war that is unlikely to end soon and which is even called a "stalemate" by Sony's chief executive.

Blu-ray and HD DVD formats compete for replacing the DVD standard. HD DVD discs can store up to 15GB on a single layer and up to 30GB on two layers. Its competitor, Blu-ray, can store up to 25GB per single layer and up to 50GB on two layers, but Blu-ray discs are more expensive to produce. The HD DVD is pushed aggressively by Toshiba, NEC, Intel and Microsoft, as well as being standardized at the DVD Forum, which represents over 230 consumer electronics, information technology, and content companies worldwide. Blu-ray is backed by Sony and Panasonic, which are among the world's largest makers of electronics. Among Hollywood studios HD DVD is supported by New Line Cinema, Paramount Pictures, Universal Pictures and Warner Bros. Studios, whereas New Line Cinema, Sony Pictures, Walt Disney, Warner Bros. and Twentieth Century Fox endorse Blu-ray.

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Blake @ Jan 29th 2008 8:38PM

Hello and welcome to last year!

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404error @ Jan 29th 2008 8:43PM

Disney Votes for 51GB HD DVD Media Approval.
Blu-Ray Backer Approves New HD DVD Standard

Category: Multimedia

by Anton Shilov

[ 11/19/2007 | 03:09 PM ]
[ 11/19/2007 | 03:09
11/19/2007 |
11/19/2007

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MI @ Jan 29th 2008 11:03PM

You forgot the date line for the story:

[11/19/2007 | 03:09 PM ]

Thanks for keeping us up to date. It looks like HDVD is old news.

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kcmurphy88 @ Jan 29th 2008 9:24PM

Time will tell. However, the dual-format devices that were just coming out (and now likely won't, mostly) might have solved this another way. As might have the aborted Warner TotalHD, where you could build a library without risk.

Warner would have done better doing what they did a year earlier or a year later, but their timing -- right after half a million people bought into HD DVD -- kinda sucked.

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SimbaDogg @ Jan 29th 2008 9:26PM

old news is bad news?

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Nfinity @ Jan 29th 2008 10:23PM

So let me get this straight.. HDM is outpacing DVD even by having 2 formats and we need 1 format? LOL..what kind of logic is that?

The MAIN REASON we are outpacing the DVD is EXACTLY THAT - 2 FORMATs. Hardcore competition between 2 formats allows faster adoption because the prices fall faster and people make choices.

If we have 2 formats until the end of 2008 we will see $300-$350 hybrid players from Samsung and LG at least. These will ultimately replace HD/BD exclusive players the same way we had DVD R+ and DVD R-. There will be too many consumers on both sides having players and content will need to be published on both. Studios will end up picking a format to publish in based on their deals and overall costs. Whichever benefits them more they will publish in and everyone will get all content in the end.

The only one who need to hasten the HD DVD is Blu-Ray because the long term thing doesn't bode well for them as they have nothing prepared, starting from replication to hardware prices, it's obvious that in dual format HD market HD DVD comes out victorious in the long run. No brainer there.

But yeah, at this point, I see dual format players taking over by end of 2008 and beginning 2009 giving the ultimate FINGER to Sony.

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MI @ Jan 29th 2008 11:01PM

So if we keep HDM from gaining mainstream acceptance by continuing a format war that HDVD can't win, then they'll sell more players and media. That's the idea that makes sense?
DVD was the most successful consumer electronics launch in history, simply because there was a single unified format. That is what is needed and that is what is emerging right now. It's that simple.
You can keep suggesting scenarios in which HDVD doesn't HAVE to die for it to work out, but it's simply not going to happen at this point.

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kcmurphy88 @ Jan 29th 2008 11:12PM

You miss the point, obviously. HD DVD is going to lose because STUDIOS are withholding product, not because the format is a failure. Up until the Warner announcement HD DVD was closing the gap that had opened when Sony rolled out the PS3s. All trends were working towards HD DVD.

But Warner thought that the problem was two formats and that one format was better, so they cut a deal to kill one. They didn't care which -- Plan A was to kill blu-ray by getting Fox to go Red at the same time. That fell through so they chose Plan B.

Now we find that two formats weren't a problem, and in fact had probably sped things up rather than slow them down.

The question is whether a single blu-ray format, the more costly of the two, can continue to grow even as SOny inches the prices back up. They've already hiked prices on their entry player by $100, and the days of buy-one-get-one-free are clearly over.

I'm willing to bet that disc sales are way way down. I'm also willing to bet that no one will talk about it.

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Mike @ Jan 29th 2008 11:28PM

I can see merit in their reasoning that if there were only one format to get behind, consumers might feel like they don't have to worry about winning or losing, and there wouldn't be as big of an opportunity for them to get confused about HDM in general.

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Nfinity @ Jan 29th 2008 11:30PM

Murphy,

first of all Warner doesn't think that Blu-Ray is better since obviously all of their releases so far have been superior on HD DVD. They have even postponed Matrix, Batman and a few other titles because Blu-Ray is simply a MESS. The only reason Blu-Ray has any support is Sony and Panasonic pumping money to studios. This will eventually end. Actaully I think it's very close as about $600 million dollars they spit out to Warner and Fox was the last amount of incentives they had. They blew all of their load last year on marketing, studio and retailer payoffs and now they are slowly going broke with budgets. Do you really think they wouldn't make a Super Bowl ad if they could? They don't have the BUDGET FOR IT.. The thing costs another $3-$5 mill not to mention how much it costs to make one.

Studios are not all witholding content obviously. There's close to 40% of content that you can't get on Blu-Ray. People seem to play dumb about that. There's is not so much difference between now and at the beginning of 2007. In the beginning of 2007 Universal was the sole exclusive HD DVD studio with Paramount and Warner releasing on both. Come 2008 Warner is blu Paramount is red. As they are about equal in catalogs with Paramount actually edging out Warner I would say that we are back at the start of 2007 with movie support.

As far as I remember HD DVD was told it was dead in the 2007 as well, yet HD DVD managed to secure a studio by the end of 2007. Don't write off Disney or Fox going neutral just yet. If triple layer 51gb HD DVD discs come out, twin discs with this new triple layer come out, players sell increasingly well at $100 as they are now, studios will follow the consumer power not fanboyism.

Using Blu-Ray logic we've read here on Engadget, Digital Bits and other pro-Blu web sites let me open some eyes for you:

Week Blu-ray HD DVD
1/5 15,257 14,558
1/12 21,770 1,758
1/19 16,496 8,639

HD DVD sales from 1/12 to 1/19 increased 700% while Blu-Ray dropped 25%. Add to that you still have about 70-80% of Blu-Ray players being given away with TVs, HD DVD is absolutely destroying Blu-Ray.

Considering that NPD report states that those Blu-Ray players are really giveaways and not sales then we come to the numbers like 4000 Blu-Ray AND dual format players sold without giveaways.

This means that HD DVD players "OUTSOLD" - meaning REALLY SOLD Blu-Ray players almost 70:30 and I took about 75% of Blu-Ray players being given away with TVs even now which is very optimistic.

Of course these numbers I didn't even include HD DVD add-on for 360 but let's say those numbers are small as the add-on is still $179.

So realistically HD DVD outsold Blu-Ray if you take away the free giveaways. This means consumers are buying left and right HD DVD.

Same logic. See how it works?

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MI @ Jan 30th 2008 12:20AM

Yea, they were told they were dead in 2007, then they paid Paramount $150M to stop supporting the format that they were selling more discs on. It still didn't turn the tide, just dragged things on ruining the Christmas adoption of HDM.

So given that you tried to claim that they "managed to secure a studio by the end of 2007", rather than stating that they were so desperate to save their dead format that they made a huge payoff to the studio. Why should anybody give any credence to anything you say? I don't suppose you have a citation of where "that NPD report states that those Blu-Ray players are really giveaways and not sales". Everything I saw directly from them, simply stated that the totals included the give away players. Nothing said that only 4000 of the 38,000 players sold in the last two weeks were bought and paid for.

At every turn, when defeat is more and more obvious, toshiba and microsoft are content to drag more consumers into their dead format by buying off a studio, by selling players at loss, by wasting their investors money on a $3 million commercial. You trying to do the same and convince others to get played too, doesn't effect the reality that HDVD can not win at this point.

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Samisin @ Jan 29th 2008 10:45PM

EngadgetHD is like watching Fox News.

"We think mainstream adoption will require one format to emerge and the increased volume will outweigh any negative backlash from adopters of the losing format; what about you?"

Hmmm, okay, lets translate:

"We think mainstream adoption will require Blu-ray to emerge and the increased volume will outweigh any negative backlash from adopters of HD DVD; what about you? Come on, flame, flame, flame!!!"

You are pathetic, and it is really tiresome. Okay, we know you hate HD DVD. We know you love Blu-ray - for whatever reason I can't understand (more expensive, delayed specs, more space? Wow!). So come, you can stop with the promotion between the lines - and just rename yourself EngadgetBLU.

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KushielsScion007 @ Jan 30th 2008 11:16AM

Oh so true...

So not Laguna...

The war is far from over so no matter how much Engadget HD tries to push its bluray propaganda its not going to sway the HD DVD loyalists/owners who will refuse to adopt bluray even IF it wins.

I'd rather go to digital downloads than let sony determine my HD media.

And face it bluray fanboys...without the HD DVD group giving up and joining your precious bluray bandwagon HD theres no way in hell bluray will become mainstream.

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Mike @ Jan 29th 2008 11:33PM

I see no bias in this post, I see only your accusation of it. They're not talking about Blu-ray or HD-DVD at all, only HDM in general. And the question they pose is a valid one: if having two formats creates intense competition and encourages people to "buy blu" or "buy red" then what happens to HDM sales if one of these players (HD-DVD or Blu-ray) is taken out of the equation? Put another way, competition is largely what is growing the HDM market; what happens to that market when the competition is gone? The battle being won, will the victorious format shrink and rest on its laurels or will a single format allow more customers to get behind a single format?

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Nfinity @ Jan 29th 2008 11:42PM

What's really bothering me personally is the lack of ethics and morals from people working for these media houses. I mean I understand a corporation pushing Blu-Ray, format which is completely anti-consumer in every aspect not to mention unfinished, but for someone to be so spineless to support something that costs more, is completely broken in compatibility and features and requires a wait at least of another 2 years for mass adoption not to mention repurschasing of equipment with 3 different revisions in the standard over something that's $100, completely finished, compatible, future proof and allows mass adoption right now with maximum flexibility for the consumer is really beyond me.

I just find that you need to really be such a shallow individual to look at your personal benefit even though your are supporting something that's overall bad for everyone is simply despicable.

But we'll see, at this point I really hope that consumers respond with their logic and brains and wallets then misleading media outlets and reports.

You know, I would like to OUT all of these so called "analysts" and reporters and bloggers with some influence and hold them accountable for something they are supporting, so when crap starts happening for everyone to point to them and identify them as people who supported that.

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Sam Winter @ Jan 30th 2008 7:40AM

@Nfinity
I don't care what format you support. That was the most craptastic load of bullshit I have read all week! Thanks, at least, for making it unambiguous as to how utterly idiotic you are. Do you even believe the shit you write? God help you....

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Anthony Pivac @ Jan 29th 2008 11:33PM

HDM is out pacing DVD starting growth due to the fact that there are HD & Full HD televisions available at affordable prices. Once you've seen what your t.v is capable of it's hard to back to Standard Def. I think this next year will see more marked growth.

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Truth Teller @ Jan 30th 2008 1:00PM

I'd be a little less gung-ho about HD TV if 26k/wk are the sort of numbers being posted
(which btw is a distorted number thanks to freebie profile 1.0 Blu-ray players).

SD DVD was didn't start off bundled in a game console or add-on, it never had 22 BOGOs from one side & 2 from the other and I don't recall too many being given away as freebies either.

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TruthCommenter @ Jan 30th 2008 1:26PM

TruthTeller: "which btw is a distorted number"

Ah-haha, and you know all about distortions, haha,
hoho, oh, hey, can you post that one again haha,
about most BluRay fans being PS3 users, hahaaa,
that's one of my favorites, ah-haaa,haaa,

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Mike @ Jan 29th 2008 11:41PM

Once the format war is over, the HDM game will really start. However, to appeal to the masses, you're going to have to convince them that what they currently have isn't as good as the "new version." The enthusiasts, of course, will care about and see the value in the increased visual/audio quality, but will the majority of consumers care to spend the money? While some may be swayed, I don't believe most will. However, BD Live or HDi is a potentially huge value proposition for consumers. If they're not convinced by the higher visual quality of the movie, they might be by the incredible amount of content available online through extra features. Blu-ray's BD Live shows some remarkable opportunities, judging by their presentation at CES.

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halley @ Jan 29th 2008 11:55PM

the format war will be decided by the retailers. just walk into a best buy, circut city or walmart now. yep, red is shrinking and soon will be only available online.
that is thanks to warner.

if retailers line up behind blu. your red dreams are thru.

it's happening right now. if hddvd outsells for the next few months--it won't matter. because by may no retailer will order the hardware.

they've already decided. enjoy your beta max until it dies. i did.

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Truth Teller @ Jan 30th 2008 1:09PM

@ halley

BS

If Blu-ray had anything besides the PS3 you might have a point but they don't.

They have a game console & (to a far lesser extent) a bunch of obsolete profile 1.0 players (with a Pioneer claimed to be updatable to the interim profile 1.1) that they are now giving away
(I can't wait to see the backlash when/if profile 2.0 discs appear & they aren't playable on that profile 1.0 junk).

They're a total mess.

That's hardly a proper range of their supposedly final profile 2.0 players at mass-market prices and specs.

If you take PS3 out of the equation Blu-ray lost long ago.

So big deal, they have the game console kids and might get some more of them in the coming months.
That's hardly the a/v adult mainstream mass-market.

The PS3 is never going to take the adult a/v mainstream mass-market, sorry kiddies but it just isn't.

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TruthCommenter @ Jan 30th 2008 1:18PM

TruthTeller: "That's hardly the a/v adult mainstream mass-market"

Oh, hohohoh, is that it, haha, you like HD-DVD because of
hhhaha "adult" content. Ah-hahahaha, hoho, ever try a
girlfriend, aha-ha-ha

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Truth Teller @ Jan 30th 2008 2:29PM

dance little leg-humping f*ckwit stalker dance.

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TruthCommenter @ Jan 30th 2008 2:42PM

TruthTeller: "dance little [bad language snip] stalker dance"

Haha, ok, hahaha, let's stick to the funny stuff, hahahaha, could
you tell the one again about how it will be raining CD-DVD players
soon, ah-haaaaaaaa, hahaha, hoho, like it rained VCD players awhile
back, ah-haaaaa, I love comic fiction, haha

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TruthCommenter @ Jan 30th 2008 7:50PM

Haha

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HDpurist @ Jan 30th 2008 12:02AM

old news.

current news: Although no official statement, Walmart is obviously discontinuing sales/supplies of HD-DVDs and players in favor of Blu-ray. Go to any Walmart and HD-DVD is no more than a handful of unwanted clearance bin junk.

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Nfinity @ Jan 30th 2008 12:03AM

yeah..that's why they completely stocked all 4 super walmarts around my house with HD DVD players and have huge $149 signs with HD next to it and no sign of Blu-Ray movies. I'm sure they'll drop it right away. LOL..

Wait for the results next week where the lead for HD DVD becomes even higher despite the fact that Blu-ray is GIVING players away not selling.

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HDpurist @ Jan 30th 2008 12:37AM

@nfinity , all Walmart stores worldwide must have shipped all HD-DVD players too your 4 local Super Walmarts because statistics shows that idiots like you own more than 3 HD-DVD players and will continue to buy more players to falsify continued HD-DVD sales and toute that HD-DVD is still a contender in the format race.

LOL

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kuromiko @ Jan 30th 2008 12:46AM

@nfinity:

Who in their right mind buys high definition equipment at Wal-Mart? (well, down the road maybe) They could very well be putting their stock down on showcase just to cycle it out and retire it from their inventory. Every Target, Best Buy, Fye, Circuit City, and retailer that carries High Definition media is pushing HD-DVD out the door as to not be stuck with it, and giving more shelf space to Blu. I just went today, and noticed that the HD-DVD section isn't getting restocked very quickly (full, empty shelves at the bottom). On average I've seen double if not triple the shelf space for it.

And yes, lets wait for the fire sales to continue, and not count the free Blu-Ray players, or the most predominant player on the market (which incidentally will have the 2.0 spec available to it), the PS3.

More facts and less sensationalist, please.

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andy @ Jan 30th 2008 2:59PM

liar.

I have two walmarts by my house. Both stock and shelve the HD-A3. As of this past weekend (I was looking for something else and having trouble finding it in stock) they both had stocks of them on the shelves in the normal places. Neither stocks any blu-ray player other than PS3, and it's in the video game section.

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Mike @ Jan 30th 2008 3:15AM

Since HD DVD made up half of stand alone sales...blue ray is half of what dvd was during same sales period....there's something to get excited about.

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D@n @ Jan 30th 2008 7:41AM

"Since HD DVD made up half of stand alone sales"

Since when does 8,639 of 25,135 equate to half of weekly sales?

Only in the head of a HD DVD fanatic obviously!

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Mike @ Jan 30th 2008 8:51AM

Nice of you to cherry pick a weekly stat.

Everyone knows that up to ces 08 toshiba was neck and neck with bd stand alones...they even had a pie chart showing they were around 48% then with 2-3% for dual players sony and samsung made up most shares for bd.... of course ps3 and xbox360 add on were not counted.

SO YES, HALF

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Hawk @ Jan 30th 2008 8:16AM

I guess you can call me a HD DVD fan boy since I own a 360 player and a toshiba player. I do not own Blueray. At this point who cares about statistics of which sold more (HD DVD or Blu). I would like HD DVD to come out on top because of its price advantage. But I see the writing on the wall. We need one format. Maybe with one format, the players will come down in price along with the media. These companies need to look at the big picture and put the consumer first. Now shut up with all the fanboy bashing. Its really old.

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Larry @ Jan 30th 2008 9:03AM

The real question is how does it growth compare to digital downloads.

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Truth Teller @ Jan 30th 2008 9:22AM

Of course this gen of disc has started faster than the the 1st DVD.

This gen of disc media has been either bundled into a multi-million selling PS3 game console (that was always guaranteed to sell in the multi-millions thanks to it's brand alone - even if it has flopped in it's own game console market) and also sold as the best selling add-on ever in the multi-hundred thousands through the Xbox 360.

Coupled with a market now well used to disc based media it should be no surprise that the initial growth has been slightly better than DVD's initial growth.

The surprise (if there is one) is that it hasn't grown faster - but that's down to the PS3 being a poor seller of high def movies as their pathetic attachment rates prove.
They have had to use 22 Blu-ray BOGOs (with rumours of Sony buying discs to inflate their sales numbers) and 2 HD DVD BOGOs.

I don't recall DVD ever needing to resort to that kind of slight-of-hand BS so early when it began.

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TruthCommenter @ Jan 30th 2008 10:34AM

TruthTeller: "Of course this gen of disc has started faster
than the the 1st DVD"

Of course, hahaaa, skyrocketing to that, ahaaa, 1%, hahaaaa,
do you read your own posts, oh-ahaaaa, ha, consistantly
inconsistant, hahaha, breaking me up, ahahahaaaa

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Truth Teller @ Jan 30th 2008 9:24AM

@ Larry

It too Apple only 3 months to catch and pass Blu-ray's disc sales numbers with their own d/l movie sales.

(and that's with a supposedly much inferior product; it didn't seem to bother the Apple punters much)

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DEEZNUTZ @ Jan 30th 2008 11:02AM

DISINFORMATION ALERT:

...and surpassed HD DVD disc sales by triple that given how dismal those continue to be... *FIXED*
You are a bullsh!t artist TT.
d/l are rentals, not sales you idiot. Different market.

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D@n @ Jan 30th 2008 10:04AM

@Truth Teller

LOL, captain crap spreading his FUD once more

The PS3 whether you like it or not is responsible for Blu-ray media sales trouncing sales of HD DVD, and you can slap all the attachment rate BS on there all you want. It's never going to change this upward trend which occurred all through 2007 and into 2008.

PS3 sales are on the constant increase. RROD prone XBOX 360 repair and replacements are on the increase! LOL! Yup, the PS3 is a flop! LMAO!

Yes you're absolutely right about sales of Blu-ray being very poor! What pitiful amount was it last week? 83% share of sales? and 85% the week before? Shameful!

Oh right, I forgot it's only a drop in the ocean compared to DVD (1% right?). I really need to keep referring back to the hundred or so posts you copy and paste with the same old sh!t.

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1stGreg @ Jan 30th 2008 10:25AM

Ah poor HD DVD Fanboys, now it's Lie Teller's last argument that goes poof.
Funny to see Nfinity cutting himself in a corner, repeating to himself "We're going to come back, we're going to come back" though.
In case you haven't heard yet, the industry standard of Authoring, Sonic (DVDit, but more importantly Scenarist) is about to drop HD DVD support.

When industry standards start to not support you, you know the turkey is done.
Time to call it a wrap (in fact it's been time, but hey, can't call you anything if not stubborn).

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TruthCommenter @ Jan 30th 2008 10:40AM

TruthTeller: "It too Apple only 3 months"

It "too Apple", ahahahaaaa, let's imagine you
meant "took Apple", hohoho, your comment still
doesn't make sense, ahaaa,ha,ha, who ho, you're
just doing this for the lulz right?, ahaaaa,
well you're making me laugh, hahahaha, go red
go, hahaha-hahaha

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John @ Jan 30th 2008 11:41AM

Nfinity, you are as delusional as ever. Weeks ago you were screaming about how Warner was going HD-DVD exclusive. Now you are talking about how dual format players are going to rule and "HD DVD is absolutely destroying Blu-Ray." Face it, you were wrong, and you are still wrong. The format war is over and HD-DVD is dead in the water. Right now the only push Toshiba and friends are making is to get out of this deal with the least amount of damage as possible. No person in their right mind thinks HD-DVD still has a chance. You can analyze all the sales numbers and stupid futile information all you want and spread your tripe on these blogs, but at the end of the day you are 115% wrong about everything you have said and continue to say. We don't need any more of your 1000 word essays detailing your HD-DVD fanboyism. It's over, dude. Get a life. If you honestly think this whole thing is going to continue much longer or that HD-DVD still has a chance of winning, you need very intensive psychiatric treatment.

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Truth Teller @ Jan 30th 2008 12:01PM

Oh dear.

Calm down game console children.

Laughably touchy about Apple's sales
(they are sales too btw, your semantics are just evasion).

& of course anyone pointing out that the PS3 is resolutely bolted into 3rd place in the console wars has the kiddies of Blu-ray.com in a total lather over their beloved & sacred abject of devotion.

Too easy, predictable & funny.

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