http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/ Engadget HD Comments for Gartner: Blu-ray to win in 2008, HD DVD price cuts are "useless resistance" http://www.engadgethd.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgethd.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 28th 2008 5:58AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
That's clearly a firesale price. The format is dead and it wouldn't surprise me if Toshiba is just using Amazon to clear its supply chain before saying as much.
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Free hardware and free software has turned HD DVD into a non-profit organization, and 2007 must have been a good year for HD DVD supporters, showered with freebies from Toshiba and Hollywood alike. But the party is over.

For HD to go mainstream, we need all HD-enthusiasts to pull in one direction and win over the mass market. For this to happen, we need to let HD DVD die. And we don't have oceans of time. Sooner or later downloads will replace physical media. But the time isn't right yet. The bitrates and resolution of every on-demand-service planned is vastly inferior to that of Blu-Ray. And regardless of what certain fanboys have maintained, lower bitrates translates to lower audio and video quality.

The window of opportunity to replace DVD with a HD physical medium will close within the next 20 to 30 months. Blu-Ray must go mainstream before this happens. HD-enthusiasts must all work together to help bring about this change, or else we will have to wait a LONG time for the same quality to come our way again.]]>Jan 28th 2008 7:49AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 28th 2008 9:05AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 28th 2008 11:38AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
Mark my words, the HD DVD Promotional Group haven’t even started to fight back just yet. Once they unleash their massive marketing & incentive campaign, there is no stopping HD DVD.

Price is KING in this game for the average person which makes up more than 90% of all people. If people really want to kill off Hi Def Media, then go out & buy obsolete expensive Blu-Ray players & movies, if you want Hi Def Media to stand a chance against SD DVD, than buy HD DVD period. Plain & simple.

The DVD Forum will never yield to a incomplete, problematic, profile plagued & extremely expensive Sony Blu-Ray format. So thanks to Sony & the BDA, SD DVD will be around for another 10+ years just until Downloads take over. Blu-Ray stands no chance period.]]>Jan 28th 2008 7:52AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
The problem with Sony is that they were so desperate to compete in the HD arenea that they released a system before it's time. With having to know the difference in profiles (1.0, 1.1, & 2.0) and whether your player will play all the profiles or you need to get a firmware upgrade or buy another player all together is annoying. It's what's mostly kept me away from Blue. I also don't like the way they display the movies the Red camp seems more natural to me (my opinion), looks crisp and clear with no imperfections, while the Blue looks crisp and clear but there are the ocassional imperfections. At first I thought it was me, but as more and more of my friends noticed it we didn't know if it was the PS3 or simply Blue. A little research and elbow greese and we discovered is simply the way the format deals with movies, so my opinion is I prefer Red, if Red dies I will go back to traditional DVDs.]]>Jan 28th 2008 8:07AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 28th 2008 8:26AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
You've got it all wrong....CONTENT is and always has been king!

What use is having a cheapo player if all you'll be able to show on it is a hugely reduced catalogue and standard DVD's?

But sure, we'll "mark your words" and wait for this impending smackdown from the HD DVD promotional group, although you fanboys have been touting these fantasies for months! what with the "incoming tidal wave of Chinese players", the "certainty of Warner going HD DVD exclusive", and of course the much talked about triple layer vaporware, Blu-ray is indeed screwed!

On the other hand though, I think I'm better off with Blu thanks.

]]>Jan 28th 2008 8:41AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
All the fud and bullshit about the issue seems to emanate from HD DVD promoters. The funny thing was back in the day they were crowing about that HD DVD had some minor advantages over Blu Ray such as PIP and internet connectivity. Now they're bitching that Blu Ray offers that functionality, even though the features were and still are marginal to say the least.]]>Jan 28th 2008 12:12PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
And sorry to say bluboys, HD DVD did have the better video compression scheme from the beginning, why else did Blu switch to the same compression scheme? I wonder...]]>Jan 28th 2008 6:11PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
"I say.. only in America, only in America is HD-DVD being discussed. The rest of the world has gone Blu months ago."]]>Jan 28th 2008 8:29AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
Blu is the way to go ! Aaaah]]>Jan 31st 2008 11:47PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 28th 2008 8:46AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
What sort of cretin (other than a paid shill) would have anyone believe that a format with far less than 1% of the total movie disc market right now has won anything?

......and what sort of moron would believe them? ]]>Jan 28th 2008 9:18AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
read at Video Business that HD Disc format growth is ahead of the standard DVD curve.

Price-driven promotions are the main reason for high-def’s steeper growth curve, according to Paul Erickson, DisplaySearch director of DVD and HD Market Research.

Standard DVD players were priced more steadily during their first months on shelves, he explained, as they were never embroiled in a hyper-competitive format war.

So, War, what is it good for? Cheaper pricing and faster growth, apparently

Sounds like HD is making market gains not only that but at a faster rate than DVD. You saying that blu-ray or HD-DVD's market gains and sales dont count for anything is pretty ignorant.


]]>Jan 28th 2008 9:09AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
"It must be paid". You said the same thing about everything that has not been in HD-DVD's favor.

You also, early on, guaranteed that NO WAY did Paramount accept any payout to "switch".

So, cough up PROOF of payouts, NOW, of STFU.

Put up, or shut up. Plain and simple. Quit making up "facts".]]>Jan 28th 2008 9:50PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
STFU yourself PS3/Blu-ray fanboy.

Circuit City has been known for sweetheart deals with Sony
(their bought display areas etc etc are kind of hard to deny, idiot.)]]>Jan 29th 2008 2:19PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
Ah-ha...ha, ha-ha, ah-ha-ha-ha, ha, ho-ho, ha-ha-haha, ah-hahaaa, ha-haaaaa,
aah-haha,hahaa,heheheeee,hahaha, haha,hahaha, whoo,hoho,haha, ahaa, ahaa, haha,
ahem. . .,haha, ha . . . least that's what the voices in his head tell him]]>Jan 29th 2008 2:25PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
Ah-ha...ha, ha-ha, ah-ha-ha-ha, ha, ho-ho, ha-ha-haha,
ah-hahaaa, ha-haaaaa, ahem. . .,haha, ha . . . I guess
a different type of moron than you are, haha]]>Jan 29th 2008 2:47PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 30th 2008 5:59PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
1) You called them "paid off"

2) I asked you to PROVE YOUR ACCUSATION, or STFU

3) You reply with .... you... you... you STFU yourself wah.


Wow. Your debate skills are amazing.

I'm not a Blu-ray fan. I waited until I saw the end of format war, then joined the winning side.

I have NOT been arguing for or against BD or HD-DVD. My first post was Jan 10th. How does that make me a "fanboi"?

Oh, I forgot. Since you cannot argue, and will not back up your claims with PROOF, all you can do is name-call.

Just like nfinity, who also says "Sony paid XXX to stop carrying HD-DVD", etc.]]>Jan 30th 2008 9:30PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
I have made no comment on the growth rates of either (or both) formats.

The point stands, when the supposedly 'leading' format in the high def war has won far less than 1% of the total movie disc market then it is absurd to pretend it has won anything at this stage.

This is just the same old predictable crowd talking-up of the Blu-ray format to try and create and impression & 'momentum' (again).

It's BS.

HD DVD China launches in march and the HD DVD fight-back begins in earnest after that.

Blu-ray are just preaching to the already converted, the PS3 fans.

High def of both flavours is invisible to the genuine mass-market.

But sub $100 HD DVD players will enter the mass-market consciousness soon.

They are coming from the same Chinese manufacturers currently selling huge numbers of nice inexpensive upscaling SD DVD players in western markets and they are set to simply replace those lines with new types of nice inexpensive upscaling SD DVD players that also happen to play HD DVD very nicely too.

The war hasn't even got started yet & all Blu-ray has got is a bunch of game console owners and approx 200,000 - 250,000 profile 1.0/1.1 standalone owners set to be mightily pi$$ed off when profile 2.0 appears.

(not that they stand a hope of having a decent range of price/spec profile 2.0 Blu-ray standalones this year anyways)
Think of it as DVD+. ]]>Jan 28th 2008 9:28AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
Retailers are dealing the final blow. There is no comeback from that.]]>Jan 28th 2008 9:39AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
What does that make the MINORITY of the 1% share?]]>Jan 28th 2008 12:19PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
It makes both high def formats merely drops in the ocena right now.

Sadly you seem to want to go along with this absurd inflating the format that holds far less thna 1% of the total movie disc market into a 'winner'.

That's plainly ridiculous.]]>Jan 28th 2008 12:54PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
I know you think CH-DVD is somehow going to save HD-DVD, but I'm guessing it's not going to have much of an impact at all. It's China's way of staying out of this format war and keeping all the profits internal. Do you think CH-DVD is some secret that all retailers and studios are unaware of? It's the high-def version of EVD (or what you would call DVD China)How many cheap EVD players flooded the UK and American markets?



]]>Jan 28th 2008 11:43PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
Oh, I forgot... Profile 2.0 is here. I own a BR 2.0 disc, Saw IV, and it plays just fine on my Profile 1.1 PS3. No problems whatsoever, just a single special feature that I cannot access, the online movie blog. Big deal. ]]>Jan 29th 2008 1:19AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
Here's their new logo -

http://www.cdrinfo.com/images/uploaded/HDDVD_China_logo.jpg

The only difference between their HD DVD & ours is a firmware & a badge on the box
(they are basicially rebadged Toshiba HD A3s = a very fine player fully up to the needs of the mass-market).

They are being made by the very same firms that out-sell everyone right now with their SD DVD lines.

You're simply day-dreaming if you seriously imagine they are going just stop shipping their current DVD players and do nothing with their new lines once they switch to their new spec players.]]>Jan 29th 2008 1:58PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
Ah-ha...ha, ha-ha, ah-ha-ha-ha, ha, ho-ho, ha-ha-haha, ah-hahaaa, ha-haaaaa,
aah-haha,hahaa,heheheeee,hahaha, haha,hahaha, whoo,hoho,haha, ahaa, ahaa, haha,
ahem. . .,haha, ha . . . quess all those VCD players the Chinese made is why that
format caught on so big in the west, NOT, ahaaa,haa,hoho]]>Jan 29th 2008 2:13PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
"First proposed in May 2005 by OMNERC, the China HD DVD-ROM (C-HD DVD-ROM) or China High Definition DVD (CH-DVD) format (formerly called HD DVD-ROM for China Only) employs a Four-to-Six Modulation (FSM) encoding system, instead of HD DVD's standard Eight-to-Twelve Modulation (ETM), and thus is incompatible with players and drives sold in the rest of the world. Other differences include CH-DVD’s use of a simplified navigation system as well the Audio Video Standard (AVS) and Digital Round Audio (DRA) codecs."]]>Jan 29th 2008 8:45PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 28th 2008 9:50AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
They will be carried by the same stores currently carrying their existing lines of inexpensive nice upscaling SD DVD cos they are simply going to replace those lines
(which as I said vastly outsell anything HD from anyone else). ]]>Jan 28th 2008 10:06AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 28th 2008 9:55AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
Trying to get the stuff you can't bear to see censored out?
(or is it to try & stop others seeing anything 'off message'?!)

LMAO

The Blu fanboys want to whine about someone they claims is making "mean-spirited diatribes against blu-ray".
Awwwww poor Blu-ray, there there there. Nevermind diddums.

Jeez there really is no shame amongst some of you guys eh? ]]>Jan 28th 2008 10:06AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
I concur...what exactly has Truth Teller said that is so wrong that he deserves to get banned for it. From what I'm seeing he's presenting clear arguments and reasons as to why he feels this war is far from over.

It just seems like you're the desperate one all too willing and eager to let sony win its first ever format war and start a new generation of very expensive electronics that it will force on consumers.

In short if you bluray fanboys are so certain that bluray has already "won" (lol) then why are you attacking anyone who disagrees? Its seems like you just want to end all discussion on the subject and trick people like me who are on the fence into jumping on the bluray bandwagon cuz it supposedly is better because it has more space.

Well I'm not stupid nor ignorant like the average consumer. I've been reading up on BOTH formats and pretty much know a majority of what is crucial to understand when it comes to HD. I know the risks I'd be taking if I bought a HD DVD player now which is why I'm waiting to see if a 4th generation Toshiba player will be announced. If it is then I will most likely buy it and proceed to buy all the HD DVD movies I've been excited about for a while now.-]]>Jan 28th 2008 10:31AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
Personally I think you are living in a day-dream if you think "stores" are going to refuse what will just be the new updated lines from the same Chinese manufacturers who are simply going to be supplying them with their new revised inexpensive upscaling DVD players that have the additional feature of playing HD DVD very well.]]>Jan 28th 2008 10:09AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 28th 2008 10:15AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
Cheap manufactured components always equal defects resulting in breakdowns or damaged disks.

HD DVD will become synonymous with cheap disfunctional crap.

Truth Teller, you'll have to go and look up the word "synonymous" in your bumper big book of words.....under "S"]]>Jan 28th 2008 11:27AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
Or the fox "blu-rays" that don't comply with the format?

Or the profile 1.0 players that don't do teh "BD Live" features?

Or the "best available BR player" that doesn't output "blu ray audio" codecs and can't be turned on or off with a remote?



Not that Toshiba hasn't had to do firmware updates, but at least they're available via the standard ethernet and networking functionality.

You're living in a pretty fragile glass house though man.]]>Jan 28th 2008 12:49PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
LMAO]]>Jan 28th 2008 1:14PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 28th 2008 11:37AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/
We see how digital TV is taking over. And the research now shows that Blu-ray adoption is moving faster than DVD's adoption over VHS went.

What does that tell us? That once again a new technology takes over faster than the previous one does. It doesn't matter how much Toshiba wants it, the end is now set. The results are in. We can see the future. And only a fool would pretend that it's not what it's going to be.

DVD beat out VHS. Digital beat out film. And Blu-ray is going to beat out HD-DVD. But as Steve Jobs pointed out the other day, it is probably going to be a hollow victory, because bandwidth increases are going to make movie downloads the future. As soon as they let us burn them to DVD if we buy. But who wants to buy a disc for $30 when you can get a download for $4. How many times will you watch "The Green Mile." Or "Daddy Day Camp?" Well, on the latter, that would be never for me. I'll probably watch some movies 10 times each before I die. Most likely I'll have them in Blu-ray. But for the most part, rental makes much more sense. And with higher bandwidth, my rentals will be downloaded.]]>Jan 28th 2008 11:45AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 28th 2008 12:15PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/The BR faithful will be very grateful their profile 1 machines are backwards compatible because they are going to all have no choice once profile 2 comes out but to watch DVD, wow, imagine parting with a $1000 for a BR player in 2007 to find out it is only a DVD player in 2008 !
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http://www.dvdfile.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6497&Itemid=5

If Toshiba wants to continue the fight, all the more power to them. But I think both their shareholders and retailers may end up making their decision for them.]]>Jan 28th 2008 11:59AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 28th 2008 12:01PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Jan 28th 2008 12:05PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/28/gartner-blu-ray-to-win-in-2008-hd-dvd-price-cuts-are-useless/Now more and more, given his state of denial and straight out FUD and lies, he looks like a shill paid by M$ (a tactic they have been busted for in the past) to spread misinformation and straight out lies around on Forums.

He had one argument left in his discourse, which was how small the HD market is at the moment. Now that it's been proven that the HD market is ahead of the curve in its development (compared to DVD), he's got -NOTHING-.

Price has been shown to be irrelevant to a major extent, e.g. 52 weeks of win in 2007 for Blu Ray. Prices will come down progressively, becasue there -is- a market in Blu Ray as opposed to the massively subsidized market of HDDVD.
See also the shrinking standalone player share of Toshiba (from their own chart at the CES).
The consumers have already chosen Blu Ray, and now the studios and the retailers are going to finish this.

CH-DVD is the answer now? I thought Downloads were it?
CH-DVD is a format that wil likely never see the light out of China, it is -supposedly- "compatible" with HD DVD, a format with now about 25% of studio support and soon no retail outlets aside from online...

Lie Teller, you used to make us chuckle, now you're just sad ...
Drop the shovel man.
Oh, and here's what Walmart think of your precious "Cheap Chinese players"
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7942216
Yeah .. that's a clearance :)]]>Jan 28th 2008 12:15PM