http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/ Engadget HD Comments for How to actually use Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD http://www.engadgethd.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgethd.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 12:10PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 2:48PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 12:17PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 12:45PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/i feel this way about the ps3, as a BD player, the lack of internal decodeing support for dtsHD and the lack of bit streaming these codecs is the only knock against it. as an overall package the pros outweigh the cons IMO. and now that BD is the clear winner in the format war, i'm hoping dual format studios that once were focused on using dtsHD MA or trueHD due to hd-dvd limitations on disc size and bit rate will use the format in support of the hands down most prolific BD player on the planet.

i do love the 7.1 LPCM support that the ps3 does provide and its that, combined with the hope for a firmware update to fix this issue, that's motivating me to get the sony STR-DA3300ES over the STR-DG2100. otherwise without a firmware update i'll probably buy a BD player later on that can do it for me.
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What is not accurate? I'd love to fix it thanks.

That article is about HDMI 1.3, this article is about taking advantage of next-gen codecs. While HMDI 1.3 is useful, it isn't quite the same thing. And if it wasn't such a great article, I'd delete your post for trying to drive traffic instead of adding to the conversation.]]>Jan 22nd 2008 12:28PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
I esspecially like the clarification about leaving the decoding to the player rather than the reciever since the reciever is just going to convert it to PCM anyway.

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You don't mention the Xbox 360 as an HD DVD option, which can decode Dolby TrueHD but only output 5.1 1.5Mbps DTS, 640kbps Dolby Digital, WMA Pro, or stereo (2 channels) of PCM

Denon AVR (2308CI and up) will do all codecs up to 7.1]]>Jan 22nd 2008 12:36PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
As for the 360, I have no idea what the new HDMI enabled one can do. Like I said, the list is not comprehensive.]]>Jan 22nd 2008 12:42PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
BTW the difference between @540 kb/s and 1.5 is actually much larger in terms of audio quality than 1.5 to lossless.

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The PS3 can't output bitstream of TrueHD or DTS-HD which is why it isn't listed in the "decoding in the AVR" section.]]>Jan 22nd 2008 12:41PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 12:42PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
Hmm, not sure how to reply to that... thanks?

Seriously, I'm glad you found it interesting.]]>Jan 22nd 2008 12:43PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 12:51PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
Made sense to me. HD-A35, Panny 30, Onkyo 605 and 7.1 running rampid here.]]>Jan 22nd 2008 12:55PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/


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Great article that I'm sure clears some of the muddy waters that exist when choosing audio components or just trying to the most out of the gear they own.

An important thing to remember as long as your AVR / processor / integrated amp has HDMI it is far more important what it does after decoding that having the fancy new decoder built in.

You can't make a silk purse out of sows ear now matter what decoders are in the box.
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AVR-2808CI
AVR-3808CI
AVR-4308CI
AVR-5308CI
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Funny image choice for the article, since at the moment it doesn't work with advanced audio codecs. :¬P]]>Jan 22nd 2008 1:50PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 1:50PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 1:51PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
Of course, I just got it, and haven't tried a Blu-ray disc yet - only games. Is this a problem only with Blu-Ray movies?]]>Jan 22nd 2008 2:07PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 2:06PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
Ben - Logic would say that the receiver would peel off the audio, since the receiver is where it is supposed to go anyway.]]>Jan 22nd 2008 2:15PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Your AVR might have a setting in it to "pass HDMI audio". If so, disable it. What it basically means is that your receiver is asking the TV what audio it supports, which is none. Your AVR in turn tells the BDP that it doesn't support audio. If you don't pass HDMI Audio, the AVR won't ask the BDP and you should get full audio through HDMI to your AVR. That is the way it is with my Onkyo 705 anyways.]]>Jan 24th 2008 11:27AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 1:57PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
Optical handles the older codecs just fine.

But, afaik, simply put, if you want the new codecs, you need hdmi. ]]>Jan 22nd 2008 2:01PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 2:03PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
So, I have a PS3 and plan on getting a new receiver, something like the new Denon 4308, which apparently has support for the new codecs. BTW, its a bit annoying that I have to get a new receiver anyway, as I am otherwise quite happy with the one I have.

Apparently, the PS3 does not support DTS-MA?

So does that mean I won't get all the various audio codecs if I connect the PS3 to the receiver via HDMI?

My understanding is/was that connecting via HDMI to a receiver with codec support would be enough. Or is this article suggesting that I can get say, TrueHD sound because the PS3 supports it even though my current receiver does not??

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As for your current receiver, if it has HDMI in or an external multi-channel analog in, you can get Dolby TrueHD sound without a new receiver. The PS3 would decode the TrueHD soundtrack into 8 (7+1) channels, and pass those in a standard format (PCM over HDMI or just over analog cables) to your older receiver.]]>Jan 22nd 2008 2:08PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 2:11PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
That's because the PS3 is handling all the audio processing?

If that's the case, it sounds like the receiver's processing is bypassed and if so, why wouldn't any receiver with HDMI inputs work, regardless of built-in codec support? Or, conversely, why can't the PS3 just pass the info and let the receiver handle the processing, like for DTS-MA?

Or are you saying that both the player and receiver need to have the proper codec support in order for it to work.

This is where I'm confused. ]]>Jan 22nd 2008 2:19PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/If you want to decode in the AVR, then the player has to support bitstream out of the codec and the AVR has to be able to decode it. This is essentially what HDMI 1.3 is about.

If you are going to decode in the player (the PS3's only option in regards to next-gen) then the AVR only need support HDMI (pre 1.3 works) and multi-channel PCM audio via the HDMI (most do).]]>Jan 22nd 2008 2:23PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
Sounds like I'll be ok with a new receiver, with the exception of DTS-MA.

Now I just need to figure out if its worth upgrading my receiver for these new audio codecs... I'm still pretty happy with my current receiver. Well that and the fact that I blew a hole in my HT budget when I bought a Kuro ;)

Thanks for the responses (thanks to John too).]]>Jan 22nd 2008 2:51PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Many believe that DTS-HD support is a firmware or two away, but we have been able to get Sony to confirm or deny it.]]>Jan 22nd 2008 2:53PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
HD-DVD: Toshiba A2
Blu-Ray: Panasonic BDP-BD30K
Receiver: Denon AVR-3808CI

Both connected via HDMI, 1.2 for the HDDVD player, 1.3a for the Blu-Ray. Codecs are decoded on the HDDVD player, Denon shows "MultiChannel Input" on the display where it would normally show Dolby Digital, DTS, ect. Blu-Ray player works flawlessly as well. I have tested the LPCM which shows up as "MultiChannel Input", same as the HDDVD player. The difference is that when bitstreaming a DTS MA, or Dolby TruHD track to the Denon, it shows DTS MA or Dolby TrueHD depending on what stream it receiving. Word of warning, as the articles says, the use of secondary audio and bitstream decoding will cause the player to down-convert the codec, so it gives you the option to disable it, which I would recommend, who cares about button clicks :) Any way my experience, your millage may vary.
]]>Jan 22nd 2008 2:02PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 4:03PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/This is going to sound funny, but you may not be benefiting from the 1080p output. Here's how you can tell.

Order the HQV test disc and with your player set at 1080i use the test patterns to see if your TV properly de-interlaces the 1080i to 1080p. If it passes the tests on the disc, then there is no difference between sending your TV a 1080i vs 1080p.

If your TV fails the test then yeah, you'll have to upgrade your AVR. FYI, my Pioneer PDP-6010FD passes them.]]>Jan 22nd 2008 4:10PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/
Great article. I have a question about why my PS3 during playing back of BD movies the audio drops out during load scenes. I use the Toslink cable to my Sony STR-DE885. Also my DTS HD MA BDs don't play surround at all only 2.1 channels. ]]>Jan 22nd 2008 2:26PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 2:50PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 2:52PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/to test it, put in 300 and start the movie, then hit square. you can now select between dolby digital and dolby true HD during playback. the latter should sound clearer and more detailed. the difference is pretty clear on my denon 3806 and pinnacle towers.]]>Jan 24th 2008 2:30AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 2:52PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 2:55PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/22/how-to-actually-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd/Jan 22nd 2008 4:25PM