Amazon: $129 Toshiba HD-A3 with 7 HD DVDs and free shipping
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
Xanntia @ Jan 18th 2008 7:32AM
With all those bargains a lot more people will own an HD DVD player. Which should mean more HD DVD movies will be sold. But will that make Warner purple again, I don't think so. Does HD DVD really need Warners support? maybe not..
JD @ Jan 18th 2008 9:05AM
Looking more and more like a fire-sale everyday.
John B @ Jan 18th 2008 9:11AM
So what? It's pathetic that people like you keep talking about a "fire sale". If HD DVD is to survive, which is highly unlikely at this point, the only way to do that is do get the players into as many hands as possible. If that means selling the players at a loss, well, so be it. At least they'll still be getting SOMETHING instead of letting the hardware languish in a warehouse.
How hypocritical that the PS3 was never considered to be a "fire sale" when Sony's been losing hundreds of dollars on every console sold. But now that HD DVD is apparently doing the same thing ... oh, well! It's just a desperate "fire sale"!
Get over yourself.
JD @ Jan 18th 2008 9:19AM
Obviously we know which format you bought into, lol.
I'm quite over myself thank you very much. Toshiba is clearing out it's inventories, one only hopes that lots of these are going to current HD DVD owners stocking up on players rather than new adopters that don't know the format's on it's last legs.
Relax, in a year it'll all be over.
John B @ Jan 18th 2008 9:28AM
I bought mine solely because of the $98 fire sale. The only reason why I don't have BD is because there are no profile 2.0 players that come close to that price, and I'm not so desperate for a PS2/PS3 because I'm a PC gamer far more than I am a console gamer.
So, if you think that I have some kind of loyalty to HD DVD, you're wrong, not that I expect you to believe that with your Blu-colored glasses. If anything, I'm sickened by the elitist attitudes of fanbois on both sides -- yes, that includes Truth Teller, and JimC is rapidly climbing up that list. I've never seen such a group of poor winners as I have the BD crowd -- if BD does something, it's awesome; if HD DVD does the same thing, it's a fire sale and a sign of desperation. How pathetic.
So, you go ahead believing what you want. Any favoritism that you think I have towards HD DVD is actually animosity that have towards BD is because of its fanboi supporters, not its technology.
The really sad part is how you people have gotten so emotional over the differences of the encoding mechanism of a 12cm piece of plastic.
JD @ Jan 18th 2008 9:39AM
John, if you read the above four posts, I'll think you'll find that it's you that's got emotional over this.
Enjoy your movies!
DrXym @ Jan 18th 2008 9:39AM
Come off it. This is a firesale. Amazon are clearing their stocks while they have still have a chance to get rid of them. Once the few remaining studios go Blu (or neutral which means the same thing), Amazon wouldn't be able to shift these things if they gave them things away.
Oh well, the silver lining for HD DVD owners is that titles are going to be substantially marked down. May it's worth buying them up just to be able to secure some HD content and rip them to a computer, 360 or PS3 for continued viewing.
John B @ Jan 18th 2008 9:45AM
If that's so, it's only because of the pedantic, childish "nyah nyah nyah" bickering back and forth between the fanbois that the rest of us have had to put up with -- and STILL have to put up with. Now, however, it's reverted from "Mine's better than yours!"/"No, Mine is better than yours!" to "Nyah, nyah, nyah! You don't have no ice cream!"
You and rest of the fanbois have been like the children in the restaurant who won't behave themselves. The rest of us who don't care either way have had to deal with it. So if I seem bitter or emotional you can thank yourself and the rest of the children.
JD @ Jan 18th 2008 9:50AM
Okay.
JimC @ Jan 18th 2008 10:14AM
@John B
If you think I'm a fanboi because of my increasing rhetoric, I'm sorry, I got into the HD war late (August of 2007) only after which I found out there were fanbois. It was the minding numbingly ignorant faith based evangelistic crap of Truth Teller and nFinity that got me so quick to stomp on ignorant post that defy reason and logic. It is this devotional attitude these people have that wrecks their reasoning ability. They have made a religion out of HDDVD and I'm sick of it. If Warner had gone HDDVD and taken Fox with them, I would acknowledge that blu-ray might not survive....but that didn't happen and redheads like Truth Teller which touted such arrogance and spouted off like they knew what was up being "insiders" just infuriated me. I don't mind blatant admiration of ones own favorite piece of hardware but to blatantly lie and spin and obfuscate the truth just won't fly. If a lie or spin or falsehood or conflation occurs, I will be there to challenge the person on their statements, Truth Teller and nFinity however deserve no respect as they cannot tell the truth nor reflect reality, so I have no patience with them....
John B @ Jan 18th 2008 10:26AM
Jim, they're trolls. That's what they do. Just let them rant, or as we say "Don't feed the trolls". No one here gives them any credibility anyway.
You apparently don't remember the likes of h4ldol who was the troll for the BD camp. The reason you don't see him anymore is because he got downright insulting to the point that even the BD supporters were telling him to knock it off. TT and nFinity are just the annoying flies that won't go away in comparison.
So, we're cool then? :)
JimC @ Jan 18th 2008 11:10AM
@John B
We're cool. I am a reasonable person and love spirited debate but when anyone starts going off into fantasy land, I lose patience. When people make clearly uninformed comments, it is hard to play the catchup game and educate them, I don't have time, so I often go for the quick "cut their legs out from under them" approach and move on. But with Truth Teller, I'm not going to let him off the hook. I will challenge him at every turn. As for my other recent comments, it is just frustration out the sheer unwillingness of some to realize that we need to move on and get blu-ray poised to take on DVD in order for us to have a single successful format.
This business of using HDDVD vs Blu-ray as a price reducer needs to stop. Toshiba needs to stop HDDVD and produce a Blu-ray player to help drive down prices and bring people out of SD DVD market. I don't fear HDDVD coming back, I fear online HD being flaunted as the HD outlet. I can't stand Time Warner Cable as it is, I don't want them to be my only gateway to HD content.
DrXym @ Jan 18th 2008 12:46PM
JimC I think Toshiba will produce a Blu Ray player before too long. This may well be why it's a good idea to avail of any HD DVD bargains since at least one firm (Toshiba) and possibly more are going to produce hybrid players.
I doubt that hybrid players will even cost much more. They do now simply because they're pitched at format hedgers. Once the war is over, they'll have to compete on price with other blu ray players and their price is going to drop considerably.
regeya @ Jan 18th 2008 10:10PM
@JimC: "...but that didn't happen and redheads like Truth Teller which touted such arrogance and spouted off like they knew what was up being "insiders" just infuriated me."
This is way off topic, but where the hell do you get off using "redhead" as a slur? If you'd said "chink" or "raghead" you'd probably get your comment rated down, or banned from the site.
And if you think it's different, you're deluded. People like me no more chose to be redheads than Al Sharpton chose to be black. And people of my haircolor get treated worse, by all reports, in the UK than minorities do here in the US. And because they're white folks, after all, that's OK, right? I mean, they're not really a minority, right?
And wait before you reply about my angry tone...my getting angry at that does not, in fact, support a common stereotype about redheads. :->
(why yes, in fact, I do realize you meant that to mean "red" as in "HD DVD supporter"...I just need to remind people to be careful with their words once in a while. :-) have a nice weekend.
John B @ Jan 19th 2008 12:36AM
Um ... "redhead" is not a slur in the U.S.
Oz @ Jan 18th 2008 7:33AM
What a bargain..... if you're looking for a curiosity to take to an antique roadshow in a few years time.
Xyzzy @ Jan 18th 2008 7:50AM
"What a bargain..... if you're looking for a curiosity to take to an antique roadshow in a few years time."
Or if you're looking for an awesome upconverting player that also happens to play several hundred HD DVD movies, all cheaper than a (good) regular upconverter.
JimC @ Jan 18th 2008 9:11AM
@Xyzzy
"Or if you're looking for an awesome upconverting player that also happens to play several hundred HD DVD movies, all cheaper than a (good) regular upconverter."
So buying a collectors HDDVD player and collectors HDDVD's, perfect for collectors of extinct consumer products...
John B @ Jan 18th 2008 9:16AM
Right, h4ldol, because "extinct" products are of absolutely no use to anyone. You might want to tell that to the people who still own AND ENJOY their VHS tapes, laserdiscs, and vinyl LPs.
You people who equate products that are no longer popular with being no longer of any use are absolutely pathetic.
DrXym @ Jan 18th 2008 9:41AM
Some people swear by 8-track and Betamax too. Such people may be deluded, but now's a good time for them to build up their collections.
JimC @ Jan 18th 2008 10:05AM
I didn't say they weren't useful, just not moving forward. HDDVD is on its way out, no questioning that. "Extinct" may have been too harsh, deprecated is better suited...
John B @ Jan 18th 2008 10:10AM
Ri-i-i-ight. So, they're "deluded" because you don't agree with them? Nice attitude. Oh, and are you going to be giving them the money to pay for them to "build up their collection"? It's easy to tell people what to do if you're not the one who has to pay for it. :P
Elad @ Jan 18th 2008 11:04AM
Vinyl is not extinct. How dare you. You can get any CD on vinyl. I know because I collect.
John B @ Jan 18th 2008 3:22PM
Heh. I was just showing his absurdity by being absurd myself. I still have quite a large number of LPs and 45s from when I was teen during the 80s that I have no intention of getting rid of. In fact, I'm looking at buying a new turntable. So, don't worry about that.
Besides, I just read an article the other day that said that vinyl is on the upswing among teen/twenty-ish listeners.
Oz @ Jan 18th 2008 8:20AM
"Or if you're looking for an awesome upconverting player that also happens to play several hundred HD DVD movies, all cheaper than a (good) regular upconverter."
Upconverting? If you're only looking for upconverting instead of actual HD, and you're keen on toshiba, then why not get a toshiba upconverting dvd player (on amazon from only $70)?
As I previously implied, the A3 doesn't look like much of an investment at this point.
Dave @ Jan 18th 2008 8:31AM
He must be using the word "awesome" in his post with sarcasm right... Because this player is far from "awesome"...
andy @ Jan 18th 2008 9:26AM
or you can get 7 HD movies with that upconverter for 50 bucks. Not a bad deal.
KushielsScion007 @ Jan 18th 2008 8:22AM
The HD-A35 is the BEST and most technologically advanced model though of the HD DVD players though right?
I'd rather get something that is the latest in their line although the price is actually pretty damn good.
hhaller @ Jan 18th 2008 9:29AM
Yes, the A35 is the top of the line, and it's a pretty good bargain right now.
Or if you have more $$$ to spend, you could try for an XA2.
HD4ME @ Jan 18th 2008 5:33PM
Wow, it doesn't matter what side of the fence you are on, this is an absolute bargain whether HD DVD is dead or not and every man and his dog will buy at least one!
locke6854 @ Jan 18th 2008 8:30AM
If you consider hd-dvd dead, and aren't happy with the scaling/deinterlacing of blu-ray players, you'd be better served with the oppo.
Even the a2/20/3/30/35 took hits for its deinterlacing issues despite its nice upscaling. The xa2's reon is cream of the crop, but too expensive for use as "just" an upconverter.
Oppo, people. Assuming you don't have a ps3 as your blu player.
Matt @ Jan 18th 2008 8:57AM
I never quite understood the whole upconverting thing. I have the HD-A20 and it seems to display DVDs on my LCD TV pretty well. I have also seen the Oppo in action which has a good reputation.
I dont think I would notice the difference between upconverting and normal DVD. It certainly is nothing close to Blu-ray/HD-DVD.
I see some comments like "why do we need bluray/hddvd when we have upconverting players?" Is it really that good?
andy @ Jan 18th 2008 9:29AM
Matt, those toshiba HD players that you're using are some of the best upconverters on the market. I saw a distinct difference when I switched from my xbox1 via component to my HD-A2 via HDMI. It truely is a notable difference. Now if your TV had a HQV processor or something, then you might not notice the difference. But most TV's have HORRIBLE scalers in them, which is why these players with good scalers make such a difference.
jango fett @ Jan 18th 2008 8:47AM
theyr gonna go bankprupt if they keep this up. they might as well give them for free...
DEEZNUTZ @ Jan 18th 2008 8:52AM
Nah, their not that stupid. It's a last ditch strategy for cutting losses. They will regroup and invest elsewhere... Toshiba knows when to fold'em.
John B @ Jan 18th 2008 9:20AM
Toshiba's too big to collapse as a corporation just because of this one product line. They still have a very viable TV/flat panel business, computer/laptop business, as well as other home electronics. Plus, in an ironic twist of fate, they're one of the main companies who make the processors for the PS3. Toshiba's not going anywhere.
The best thing that they can do now is to make a multi-format player (DVD/HD DVD/BD) to at least keep HD DVD alive, even if it's just in a support role.
DrXym @ Jan 18th 2008 9:45AM
It's probably more the case that they're cutting their losses. Toshiba wouldn't make any money by taking them back (since they'd end up in a crusher or landfill). So better to sell them since $50 is still better than nothing. And Amazon would more than delighted to get rid of them too at any price if they make a modest profit from doing it rather than returning them.
This really does look like the end of the line. It wouldn't surprise me if once this sale is out of the way that Amazon will stop stocking players altogether and slash the price of discs too until they're all gone.
Truth Teller @ Jan 18th 2008 8:56AM
Excellent.
Toshiba are just removing any reason why anyone looking for an SD DVD player in the $130 - 250 range would look at anything other than an HD DVD player.
(and the current sales numbers show there are many millions who do still buy SD DVD players - far far more than anyone's current high def standalone sales numbers)
They only need to add Divx/Xvid support in an update & they have that totally nailed.
Naturally the Blu-ray gang can't bear to see this happening & will sneer & slam it for all they are worth.
Obviously the non-game console a/v mass-market people are not listening & are voting with their feet.
You can be sure of one thing, the Blu-ray gang would kill for standalone sales numbers like these -
The Toshiba HD A3 is currently at number 11 in the best sellers list for all the electrical items Amazon USA carry
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/ref=sv_e_1/104-0194101-6679131
The Toshiba HD A3, HD A30 & HD A35 are at numbers 1, 2 & 4 in the best sellers list for all DVD players
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/172514/ref=pd_ts_e_nav
JimC @ Jan 18th 2008 9:25AM
"Obviously the non-game console"
Again, Truth Teller, I dreakin DARE you to actually form a coherent argument as to why the PS3 media PC is not a valid HD a/v device? What does it NOT do that your precious Toshiba players do, other than play a dead format? If you have the guts to answer with a reasonable response, I may have some respect for you but I doubt that will happen.
Why would anyone seeking to buy an upconverting DVD player purchase HDDVD for just a few bucks more? Either they want HD or they don't, and if they want HD, chances are 1) They'll do their homework and find out that only Universal and Paramount/Dreamworks will be releasing HDDVD's or 2) They will find out after the fact and be hacked off and return the piece of junk.
If people are buying these and upconverting players, fine, but that *will not change* the outcome. You were wrong about Warner, and you are wrong to tow the Toshiba talking points which apparently is "No need for HD, just upscale your SD DVD's with our HDDVD players". Everyone can see right through that crap. Suddenly now that they are losing the war, they start saying upconverting is good enough but still want to push their HDDVD players. I see two possible reasons:
1) They are delusional to think people will buy these and change the momentum of blu-ray
or
2) They are unloading their stock, selling them as upconverters before they announce the cessation of HDDVD production....
DrXym @ Jan 18th 2008 9:53AM
You're living in denial Truth Teller. Your rationalizations are pathetic and desperate. Perhaps it's your age or emotional immaturity but you've got to be impartial about these things.
HD DVD is on its last legs, Amazon is in the middle of a firesale (or clearance sale if you prefer). If its selling, it is because it's being sold at a massive loss and most people probably do see it as an upscaling DVD player with a few free movies and nothing more.
Short of a miracle, this is the end. Amazon will probably flog as many players as they can before the last two studios go neutral and then drop the format completely.
Just come to terms with the situation and realise when your format is beat. It's only a bunch of chips and wires after all. Maybe next time you'll know better.
John B @ Jan 18th 2008 10:01AM
You guys don't actually think that TT *believes* what he says at this point, do you? He's either in a total state of denial or he's decided that it's fun to stoke the fires of the BD fanbois.
Either way, responding to him is what's keeping him going.
DEEZNUTZ @ Jan 18th 2008 10:03AM
If for no other reason, you keep this format war amusing with your comments!
Geoffrey Sperl @ Jan 18th 2008 12:01PM
No, Amazon's trying to get rid of useless stock like any smart retailer would.
You're not too sharp on the whole economic thing, are you?
calex823 @ Jan 18th 2008 1:04PM
The PS3 shits on all those players you just named man....
joe @ Jan 18th 2008 6:59PM
Well said.
Toshiba and the hd-dvd association will have to get a press push going as well. At this price point is it beginning to be well positioned to sell to consumers who aren't ready for BD but need to replace failing dvd players.
This may also buy Toshiba breathing room to figure out how to get hd-dvd to survive. It has lost the format war and will not be the direct successor to dvd. It still has the chance to survive as a niche product. Sony did this with beta. Beta failed on the consumer side but is still alive today in professional circles.
Toshiba will need to find this niche quick and make enough advertising noise to convince people it's format will last. I would imagine as a home hd authoring media it would be great fit. Maybe a push into central Asia? It has a disadvantage since tosh doesn't make camcorders like Sony and hasn't released burners. It still has a chance. it could be the next vcd format.
1stGreg @ Jan 18th 2008 9:01AM
First, to put things back in context, this is a 1080i up converting.
So for people who bought a FGull HD (1080p) set, that only want to upconvert, a 1080p DVD player @ $70 is a no brainer, obviously.
This being said, if you already have a library of HD DVD discs, that is a good deal. But for new buyers?
Hell no.
By the end of May, only 25% of new releases (if that) will be available on HD DVD. It's time to face the music people.
If Blu Ray players are still too expensive (uh? with 1080p 45" sets at $1600?) for you and you'd rather wait until the 1.1/ 2.0 Blu players go down in price, the upscaling DVD player I mentionned will do the trick neatly until Q2 or Q3 2008.
JimC @ Jan 18th 2008 9:16AM
Haven't you been reading Truth Teller's comments? HDDVD has provided an excellent way for American consumers to continue their HDDVD vision quest, IMPORT! Yes, for a small overhead in shipping costs and foreign language menus, you too can import your HDDVD titles, that is until all those foreign distributors stop making HDDVD' as well. But hey Baghdad Bob doesn't care about the consumer, he's just out to hurt Blu-ray now, this time it is personal....
Augustus @ Jan 18th 2008 9:48AM
I know HD-DVD is putting some hope into these sales in order to bring in more players/users. Unfortunately though, I think that most people who buy into these promotions will not drop the money on any movies, or at least not many movies quickly. Think about it, "I won't buy players until they are sub-$150 or sub-$100, but I'll drop $20-$30 on a ton of movies." It just doesn't add up. Plus, they won't need movies too quickly, they have 7 to watch the day they take it home.
DEEZNUTZ @ Jan 18th 2008 10:02AM
Actually, they'll only have 2 to watch. Those other 5 will come in after 2-3 months... by then, this'll all be over and this whole format war bickering will seem so silly. We can then sit and bask around that blu glow coming from everyone's screen.
chiefsoap @ Jan 18th 2008 9:49AM
heh fanboys have turn this site into trash, congrats