http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/ Engadget HD Comments for http://www.engadgethd.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgethd.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/
Or, my 1080i is better than your pie in the sky?]]>Jan 9th 2008 12:15AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/
Now to me and hopefully the rest of you reading this blog, what that lady did was complete madness. No research or comparison, just walked in and bought a camera. The point is: do your research and read reviews and previews. Don't buy something just because the number is bigger, which the lady in Target without a doubt did. ]]>Jan 9th 2008 12:40AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/To my eye, I'll still take my "old" 1024x768 panny 42px500u over almost any of the 1920 x 1080 LCDs that were on the front page of the Black Friday ads - you really have to consider the whole package... ]]>Jan 9th 2008 1:36AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/You do not indicate that she asked for the best camera in the associate's opinion, only if the one she had picked was a good one. He answers honestly and she is rewarded with a simple transaction.
I am all for research and I do enjoy the process, but how many poor souls out there confuse themselves to death with more information than they need?]]>Jan 9th 2008 3:25AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/
And trust me, I hear it over and over and over.

Its all about the 'picture quality', which in reality, doesn't have much to do with resolution, % of NTSC color gamut, contrast ratio, ultra-game-mode, etc. It only matters what the final result is. Cars are the exact same way - its why a BMW 328i can win tests with faster and quicker cars - the little things make a big difference, and those little things don't show up in the spec sheet.

Stop reading the tag and start looking at the TV.]]>Jan 9th 2008 1:41AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 2:02AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 4:18AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 8:56AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 2:28AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/We've got a 50" one and it looks beautiful.]]>Jan 9th 2008 4:37AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/
If I remember correctly, if you are sitting back 1.5 times your display's width and have 20/20 vision then you should be able to resolve about 1100 line-pairs. A line pair, IIRC, is one line of information and one line of non-information. Also, the human eye is much more sensitive to vertical resolution (number of lines) than it is to horizontal resolution (pixels on line).

Let's say that I own a 42" 1080P LCD flat panel. The screen's width would be 36.6" and I would need to sit no farther than 1.5 times 36.6", or about 55". Personally, I do not know anyone that sits that close to a 42" 1080P display. If we did, someone might think we are trying to get a suntan or something.

Of course if that 42" display used in the illustration above were to have larger pixels by the fact of lower resolution (1366x768, or 768P) then one could sit proportionally farther back (about 40% farther back). I own a 768P 42" display and I am sitting 13-14' back, and even with corrected vision have a difficult time seeing the 768P.

Of course, I know why this is and it is because, like most people, I am sitting too far back to resolve the native resolution. In fact, for my family room's setup I would be much better off with a 58" 768P display as my eyes would have an easier time resolving the native resolution.

So, while your sources (e.g. HD DVD and Blu-ray) and displays may be providing you with good resolution, your setup may make the entire setup rather moot to your eyes and more benefit to your bragging rights. Now tell that to your significant other. :)]]>Jan 9th 2008 5:45AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/
Anyone remember this?

If a TV cost $4K compared to $2K...IT BETTER be better.]]>Jan 9th 2008 9:20AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 9:26AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 9:27AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 1:03PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 9:52AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/
I think Plasma just looks better in direct view TV's. LCD is improving, but I think there's still a lot of work to be done with black level and response time, especially with moving images.]]>Jan 9th 2008 10:18AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 12:26PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/
No, I still think they'd both look quite a bit better than even the nicest LCD.


Work on your reading comprehension chump.]]>Jan 9th 2008 1:31PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 10:43AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 1:58PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/
there is no 1080i native projector.]]>Jan 9th 2008 3:15PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/
1280*720*60hz = 55.296 Mpixels/second
1920*1080*24hz = 49.766 Mpixels/second

even 1920*1080*30hz = 62.208 Mpixels/second

Its about spacial and temporal resolution.

I can't believe pc snobs that won't take anything less than 120Hz refresh are so willing to accept 30hz motion artifacts on their tv's.

Especially on a 40" HDTV where you can't see the spacial resolution improvement past 6', but you can see the temporal artifacts from the kitchen.]]>Jan 9th 2008 10:48AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 1:12PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 10:50AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/1.Contrast
2.Color Saturation (Vividness of Colors)
3.Colorimetry (Accuracy of Colors)
4.Resolution

This was created after studies were done proving the case, and at a time when 1080p TVs were a pipedream.
]]>Jan 9th 2008 11:52AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/1.Contrast
2.Color Saturation (Vividness of Colors)
3.Colorimetry (Accuracy of Colors)

List of items ISF cannot come adjust on your TV for a fee:
4.Resolution

ISF's list exists to encourage people to think that if they pay one of Joe Kane's pals to come and adjust their TV for an absurd price is still a better deal than buying a new one.]]>Jan 9th 2008 1:16PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/It's nothing new, and retail shops have known this for years,tempering the settings of TV's, screwing the Chroma and contrast of TVs with lower margin and pushing the bigger margins to the max.
Now, the bigger the screen, the more resolution you need. 42" is probably about right for 720p, but anything bigger will need 1080.
Anyone that has seen 480i on a 50+" will tell you that the same picture on a 9" TV looks amazingly clear and defined.

Now, let's see that same Pioneer technology with ultra blacks, 720p vs 1080p, on a 55" :)
I'll also refer people to the 4K displays that were stretching 1080 material at the CES (also reported by Engadget)...]]>Jan 9th 2008 11:05AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 12:03PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 12:20PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 12:34PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/
And yes, often times the Pioneer 720p sets look absolutely spectacular next to their 1080p Panny/Sammy/LG/Westing/etc counterparts.

I seriously drank the 1080p koolaid for a while, but after seeing the Pioneer 720p plasmas in person... I might forgo the "Full HD" blitz and just get a cheaper Pioneer Pro.

No - scratch that. Now I have to wait for the 9mm thick, immeasurable contrast Kuro line. Damnit!]]>Jan 9th 2008 12:34PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/

Now that ridiculous contrast??? I could actually see someone hiding in the shadows on Halo? I NEED one of those.]]>Jan 9th 2008 1:38PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/
This article brings one word to mind....DUH!!! The truth is that the majority of electronics consumers in the world don't know what they're doing and I feel sorry for them when they fall victim to advertising and the drumbeat of 1080. There's nothing wrong with 720 in a set 50" and smaller. I have a Panny 50" 720 (1366x768) Plasma and I love it. My friend has a 65" DLP (full 1080 of course, he never lets me forget it) and it looks like garbage to my eyes, horrible viewing angle, uneven brightness and terrible color reproduction.

Plasma FTW!!!!]]>Jan 9th 2008 1:57PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 2:19PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 3:09PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 4:27PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 4:25PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 9th 2008 4:44PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 10th 2008 5:51PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Jan 10th 2008 6:41PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08/1080p-tvs-dont-always-look-better-than-720p-tvs/Mar 5th 2008 1:18PM