Toshiba HD-A30 review

Hardware
The HD-A30 isn't that much different than the A20 before it; they both have a nice clean, solid feel to them. They are both far and away better than the A10 was, but we were kinda disappointed that not all of our issues with the A20 were resolved. The remote actually got worse -- which we didn't think was possible -- as we lost TV controls and there still isn't a back light, definitely nothing as nice as what Toshiba supplies with its TVs.

The connections are still skimpy and you still have to upgrade to the A35 to get analog outputs or RS-232 control. S-Video got the axe, but we don't miss it, but we still really miss a coaxial digital output -- believe it or not, there is still some good use for it.

Setup
As expected, we were able to get things going in no time, but there were still a few hiccups we'd expect to be resolved in a third-generation product. The biggest is the fact that DHCP isn't on by default, which means there is simply no way this thing will "just work" after plugging it into your network.

After we got an IP, we tired four times to update the firmware with our FiOS connection, and each time we received a different error, eventually we got smart and downloaded the iso -- which updated on the first try.


We tried both HDMI and component (they won't both work at the same time), which looked great on the Pioneer PDP-6010FD, and while the main reason to use HDMI is 1080p, we also enjoyed the benefits of CE-Link HDMI-CEC. We did, however, run into a few problems: the A30 would turn on automatically when the HDMI input was selected with the TV's remote, but when we tried to go beyond the play button, we got a communications error. We also tried CE-Link with a Toshiba TV that we had in for review and as expected, everything worked perfectly.
Usability
We really don't understand why so many disc players still make you eject the disc to configure the player, but we hate it -- this is especially true with the current state of 24p. Unlike other players we've played with, 24fps material plays perfectly (no lip sync issues), but with the player set to 24Hz, 1080p30 content results in so much judder that we almost got sick enough to eject the disk, change the output setting, and wait the 25 seconds for the disc to reload -- almost. We'd really like to see a firmware update to enable a native mode that would simply pass the native resolution of the video.

HD DVD has the most polished user experience when it comes to HD movies, but the one thing that is still a real drag is the startup and loading times. We've almost forgot how fast DVD can be. We're glad the A30 (and the latest firmware version of the A20) turns on when you hit the eject button, but what could possibly be going on in there for a minute and five seconds while we wait for the tray to come out? This seems like a lifetime while standing in front of the player and is way longer than the fifteen seconds the Samsung's BD-P1200 takes to do the same thing. The good news is that the disc is actually loaded in about half the time that the P1200 takes, as The Borne Identity took about 25 seconds to load on the A30, while the P1200 took 50 seconds to load Home of the Brave. The problem is no doubt related to boot times, as starting the players with a disc in yields similar results: the A30 finishes loading in about one minute and thirty seconds, while the P1200 takes one minute.

Picture and Sound Quality
As we've come to expect, the picture and sound quality of HD DVD is fantastic. Just like the previous two generations before it, we can't imagine how the picture quality could be any better. While we were able to enjoy 1080p video in all of its glory on a 60-inch set, we weren't able to take advantage of any next-gen audio formats as our trusty Pioneer Elite A/V R doesn't have HDMI inputs. And since the A30 doesn't tout analog outputs, we were stuck with Toslink. While we recognize that our A/V R is older, we hate to upgrade an otherwise perfectly good piece of hardware, so if you're in this boat you should opt for the A35.
Conclusion
Pros:
Nice fit and finish, great picture and sound quality, rock solid performance, and HDMI-CEC rocks.
Cons:
24p outputs makes all other sources' frame rate judder, DHCP should be on by default, and slow boot times.
Toshiba keeps updating the hardware to stay one step ahead of the competition, and we must say it just gets better and better. As good as the A30 is, we doubt many A20 owners will feel compelled to upgrade. That being said, with the slight price increase over the A3, it's a no brainer upgrade for anyone who has a new 1080p TV and can actually take advantage of 1080p24.





















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Goose @ Dec 19th 2007 12:07PM
Under $200 at PCRichard today. 7 free movies included (Bourne, 300, and the mail in ones)
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john @ Dec 19th 2007 12:22PM
Amazon TODAY
A30 - $232
A43 - 198.50!
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andy @ Dec 19th 2007 12:28PM
I don't care about analog out, but it literally costs less than a nickel to add an RCA digital out (it's just the same SPDIF signal that's fed to the input of the TOSLINK module). I'm not sure that the federal govn't shouldn't mandate it's inclusion on ALL source devices sold in the US.
Also, the DHCP enable being off be default is stoopid. I had the same complaint.
Boot sequence needs to be re-ordered badly. When you hit eject, the tray should eject and then the player should boot. That way, you can put the disc in, and go about your business while the disc loads. Waiting for the tray to open is dumb.
Native disc format; another problem with software settings.
You know, it sounds like they have an update list for the next firmware iteration.
My only big complaint is the RCA digital connection. It's what my receiver takes, and I hate having to open up a new device and splice the SPDIF data from the TOSLINK input to one of the analog RCA outputs (audio or composite).
Jvirg1 @ Dec 19th 2007 12:54PM
It is crazy, but I have grown used to it. I have the first generation unit so I imagine it is the slowest, but I also have a logitech remote, I just programmed it to do eject instead of power, so when I push the button to watch an HD DVD, I just walk away and do my business and come back to everything powered up and the tray open. From that point it loads pretty quick.
shawnmos @ Dec 20th 2007 8:48AM
Monoprice has an Optical Toslink to Coaxial (RCA) Digital Audio Converter for $11.20:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042302&p_id=2948&seq=1&format=2
Truth Teller @ Dec 19th 2007 12:34PM
I have the Euro version of the HD A35 (the HD EP35).
IMO the analogue outputs are worth every penny (I don't have to upgrade my receiver thanks to them but I can still enjoy the new audio standards - and all i can say is 'wow, they really are something').
SD DVD upscaling on 'ordinary DVD' is superb and I've found the HD DVD playback to be flawless.
They are a little slower than my regular DVD player but they are so much more complex (you don't expect you PC to instantly come on, do you?).
I just don't care about that, I knew to expect it and it is only a few seconds.
mike @ Dec 19th 2007 12:39PM
I purchased mine a week ago and am loving it. The Upconversion is top-notch as well.
Truth Teller @ Dec 19th 2007 12:51PM
Wow I hadn't noticed how much better the remote for the HD A/EP 35 was.
The A/EP30 only gets a tiddler with no TV functionality.
Ben @ Dec 19th 2007 12:53PM
I just upgraded from an A2 to an A35 yesterday.
The very first thing I did was switch to DHCP and run the firmware update. It got it on the first try. Maybe you have a firewall issue of some sort?
Either way, I've already watched 3 movies on the A35 and love it. The remote is EXACTLY the same as the A2. It's not an upgrade, but it's not a downgrade either. I think you meant to say the remote is a downgrade from the A1?
Ben @ Dec 19th 2007 12:54PM
The remote that was sent with our A2 review unit was different.
ericdj @ Dec 19th 2007 1:31PM
A2/A20 has a bigger remote. They made it smaller this time.
Truth Teller @ Dec 19th 2007 1:10PM
The only thing I'd say owners might want to try is switch off the Dynamic Range Control and turn off the dialog enhancement.
I found they reduced the audio quality a little.
andy @ Dec 19th 2007 1:20PM
To me, those are the two best features of the players. I love it when you can hear dialogue yet not get blown out of your seat by someone walking in a hallway or something stupid.
Cam @ Dec 19th 2007 1:14PM
There wasn't an A10, was there? There was an A1 and an XA1
Truth Teller @ Dec 19th 2007 1:27PM
*quote* Cam
There wasn't an A10, was there? There was an A1 and an XA1
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We got an HD E10 in Europe
(it was our version of the HD A20, the E1 was our HD A2).
But I think that's been it as far as the '10' designation goes with HD DVD.
We're not getting the HD A3 either - the field is being left clear for the coming Chinese brands that use the HD A3 as their reference design.
ericdj @ Dec 19th 2007 1:31PM
Middle one was HD-X1. They are weird on models.
hhaller @ Dec 19th 2007 1:17PM
I might be mistaken, but wasn't a firmware update sent out to correct the judder issues?
Truth Teller @ Dec 19th 2007 1:24PM
@ andy
LOL well, it was only a suggestion.
Worked for me.
Just goes to show we are all different in our own ways! ;)
TrentD @ Dec 19th 2007 2:26PM
Dynamic Range Control compresses the sound so that quiet sounds are louder and loud sounds are quieter. It ruins the experience, but if you're okay with that, good for you :)
mcampbe7 @ Dec 19th 2007 1:52PM
Wow, Griffon. You diddle your mom with those fingers? Nice language, dude. I remember when I first learned some curse words.
BBG @ Dec 19th 2007 1:55PM
LOL - it actually looks old fashioned ... that's pretty hilarious ... judging by this picture:
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadgethd.com/media/2007/12/dsc_1258.jpg
Maybe it's the lighting ... but that thing looks circa 1975!
Going by this review, I can see why the PS3 is the best Hi Def player out there.
WTF is with these boot times LOL? Guess I've just been spoiled by my premium PS3 LOL!
The future is Blue :)
MAK42868 @ Dec 19th 2007 2:04PM
I didn't know they had HD-DVDs in 1975. That's pretty cool, though...
Ted @ Dec 19th 2007 2:27PM
Of course the future is Blue, both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray use blue lasers. Or do you mean "the future is blu"? I hope you meant the former, as you would be misguided to think the latter.
TrentD @ Dec 19th 2007 2:32PM
The problem with your PS3 is that it doesn't play HD DVD movies :)
Why don't you go play some games and learn new 1337 speek somewhere else instead of trolling HD DVD topics.
DeadPlasmaCell @ Dec 19th 2007 2:43PM
@ BBG
Right because how the player looks is what people are going to be paying attention to in the dark during a movie. Also you say this player looks hilarious, yet you apparently don't have an issue with the PS3s ridiculous size and George Foreman Grill design.
Ted @ Dec 19th 2007 2:25PM
Would you engadgethd staff please stop spelling 'Bourne' as 'Borne'! It drives me nuts lol, it's as though you guys think it's a British spelling and are changing it to be American. 'Bourne' is his name, so you don't have to change it... X)
andy @ Dec 19th 2007 2:34PM
Well, all things are relative.
The player is currently in my den setup, and when my wife and new baby are sleeping on the couch while I'm doing some work with a movie in the background, a constant level of noise is good.
In my basement theatre, obviously I'm going for the best (i.e., totally unprocessed) picture and sound, and the dynamic range is good.
It's really application dependent, but I like having the option there.
DeadPlasmaCell @ Dec 19th 2007 2:33PM
Come on people... Complaining about 30 second load times when you're about to sit through a 2 hour movie?? Let's not be greedy now!
zargon @ Dec 19th 2007 5:14PM
I have never been one to go on the look of components out there, as long as they perform, that is all I care about. On top of that, they are racked and hidden anyways, so it doesn't matter.
I have always gotten a laugh out of people that "must match" their components, pigeon holing themselves into one brand because they all look the same. That or not buying a product that fits their needs perfectly over one that "looks better."
However, I will admit... their are some damn sexy amps out there. I like the hy-brid Sunfire amps with the windows to show off all the tubes or I am really fond of the Aragon line with their pretty blue light (the silver with the blue light looks the sexiest).
http://www.klipsch.com/products/discontinued/details/3002.aspx
Galley @ Dec 19th 2007 2:52PM
When you play "Cars" or "Ratatouille" a message pops up that says "load times may be as long as 2 minutes". but on the PS3 it only takes 10 seconds.
Truth Teller @ Dec 19th 2007 2:54PM
Jeeez, how any Blu-ray fan has the gaul to complain about the gen 3 HD DVD's (IMO slim, stylish & good) looks after the bloated 'is it an ancient top-loading VHS' look of things like the S300 is just breath-taking!
They even had to try & 2-tone it to hide some of it's bloated bulk (and failed, badly, I might add)
hostile17 @ Dec 19th 2007 3:25PM
I bought this player not too long back and i'm pretty happy with it. The over the net firmware update didn't work for me either at first, but after the the first initial update took, i haven't had any issues with the consecutive updates.
And I like the remote. It's nothing fancy, but it's solid and unobtrusive.
The load times are probably the biggest dissappointment. I figured they would have fixed that bs by now.
Oh, and why can't i stop the movie, and when i press play again have the movie pick up where i left off? Man, that annoys me..
But the picture looks great. As does the 1080/24 mode. The upscaling is superb. Better than my oppo.
Overall a thumbs up. Just wished i'd waited a bit and got it after the price dropped.
BBG @ Dec 19th 2007 3:36PM
The PS3 is the best Hi Def player out there hands down. Everyone agrees with this.
As for the laser technology, sorry HD DVD fans but you caught the short end on this one. Your version of the technology is inferior to that of Blu-ray.
The future is Blu :)
Jah @ Dec 19th 2007 3:42PM
You're awesome.
zargon @ Dec 19th 2007 5:06PM
I wouldn't say that the PS3 is the best Hi-Def players out there, not by a long shot. I would be more than willing to pit my linux HTPC up against the PS3, I know it would smoke it. There isn't a video or audio format that I can't play.
If you want to revise that and say the best Blu-ray player out there, I would say close, but second to a HTPC with a Blu-ray player in it
Chaz @ Dec 19th 2007 3:39PM
Fantastic piece of equiptment. Picked up one of these for my bedroom (I use the Xbox360 add-on downstairs).
Real cheap on Amazon right now! I think for about $230
Griffon2k @ Dec 19th 2007 4:26PM
Ben,
Nice review! I did have a couple points to add though.
1) You can configure the player by simply stopping the playback and selecting SETUP on the remote. You don't actually have to eject the disc. I do this all the time on my A30 when switching between DVDs (which I watch in 1080p) and HD DVDs (which I watch in 1080p24)
2) The 1080p24 on the A30 is passthrough. There is no forced 24p feature on any of the third gen Toshiba HD DVD players to my knowledge, so with the player on 1080p24 it is playing the native frame rate on the disc. Stuttering on HD DVD playback at 1080p24 is definetely not typical for the player. This could be an HDMI handshaking issue.
BTW, the set my A30 is connected to is the Toshiba Regza 47HL167 if that helps.
Ben @ Dec 19th 2007 4:10PM
Good to know about not needing to hit eject.
As for the 24p issue.
I saw it on Transformers, the feature on Disc 1 played perfectly without any issues and the special features on disc two (obviously HD Video sourced) had so much judder I almost got sick. I don't see how this could be a HDMI handshake issue, but I will say that my TV doesn't tell me if it's receiving 30hz or 24.
Griffon2k @ Dec 19th 2007 4:37PM
Thanks for replying. I'll check out Transformers disc 2 again when I get home tonight, I hadn't seen problems before. Were there any other discs you noticed the same problem on?
The reason I suggest HDMI handshaking is because I have seen significant judder when switching away and back to the HDMI input for my A30 while it's in playback.
Ben @ Dec 19th 2007 4:39PM
No, I think Transformers is the only disc I have with HD video on it.
I'll check 300 and Bourne to see if they have some.
Ben @ Dec 19th 2007 7:29PM
I checked it again. You can obviously see it in Autobots roll on disc 2, but it's noticeable in other supplements on that disc as well as the ones on 300. If I change the output to 1080p60 then it goes away, so I'm pretty sure it's the player.
Griffon2k @ Dec 19th 2007 6:46PM
Tim,
I've particpated in that thread over at AVS, and there are quite a few members who report absolutely no difference in upconversion playback at 1080i or 1080p.
In fact, I watch all SD DVDs at 1080p and have not seen an playback issue yet.
Most who point to this issue have only picked it up on calibration test disc.
Matthew Berg @ Dec 19th 2007 7:21PM
When I think 70's hardware I picture something much larger with faux woodgrain trimmed with cheap silver painted plastic, mechnical counter instead of digital display and a top-load mechanism.
Tim @ Dec 19th 2007 7:25PM
Ben, nice review, but I would take issue with your consistent recommendation of "ALL HD players are good upconverters". In particular, the Toshiba A20, A30 and A35 are NOT good upconverting players if you are trying to output at 1080p/60 instead of 1080i/60 or 1080p/24... which most people will likely set the player to thinking it "matches their TV". Feel free to read more about it at this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=918262
Basically, they don't perform the inverse telecine process properly, and end up not passing the full resolution at any progressive output other than 1080p/24. The XA2 works fine since it's using the HQV for everything instead. With the three mentioned though, it's best to use it at 1080i for upconverted DVDs and let your display handle the deinterlacing/scaling... otherwise you aren't getting a real progressive image with these. This only applies to SD content obviously, but it does bear making note of that these really aren't very good upconverting players (except for the XA2).
Ben @ Dec 19th 2007 7:28PM
I read through it and it seems that most can only see the problem on test discs vs real content.
ljbanner @ Dec 21st 2007 3:22PM
in my case the loading time is great.my projection screen takes about 30 seconds to roll itself down and my projector takes about 25 seconds to boot then the dvd player takes about 30 seconds from switch on.all in all its all ready in 35 seconds maximum.just enough time to get out the way sit down and enjoy the movie.
Eddy @ Jan 15th 2008 10:15PM
I just bought this player, hooked it up, downloaded the firmware update and had it rolling in no time. It loads DVDs quickly. I was very disappointed about the lack of audio out options but I did some plugging and unplugging of cables and have two audio cables coming out from the analog outputs on the DVD player and connected them to my dinasour DVD/VHS/Surround Sound System, using the Television/VHS inputs on the sound system. I then changed some audio settings on the Toshiba player and BOOM, watched Transformers and heard EVERYTHING. If I did not figure this out, then I would have seriously considered returning at Costco, since the whole HD experience includes audio. My only question, I actually unplug all my equipment during day and when out of town, will that effect the machine in any adverse way? I'm guessing not but...