Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix giving Xbox 360 HD DVD players fits?
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
ryan @ Dec 17th 2007 1:01PM
There's a non combo version of this available?
James @ Dec 17th 2007 1:06PM
There's a non combo version available?
bilbravo @ Dec 17th 2007 1:08PM
I am not sure about a non-combo version selling alone, but my guess is the HD-DVD in the HP Box set is not a HD-DVD/DVD combo.
Celerion @ Dec 17th 2007 1:08PM
Yes, outside the US the versions are all Non-Combo. Combo is a US only thing.
rothgar @ Dec 17th 2007 1:24PM
Did a BD disk come in the HD-DVD case too?
TrentD @ Dec 17th 2007 1:25PM
The only two playback problems I've ever had with HD DVDs are combo discs. This is on my HD-A2, so it's a bit off topic.
I wish they'd do away with combo format discs, or switch to triple-layer twin-disc format, which might be less problematic.
Bob P. @ Dec 17th 2007 2:01PM
I doubt it would be less problematic. The manufacturing process is exactly the same except for a flip. The combo disk is made exactly like a Double sided dvd, with the HD-DVD and dvd glue'd back to back. The triple layer has the third layer glued directly on top.
I agree on the combo though. If you wanted to include the dvd in the box it would have been easier and probably cheaper just to include a separate disk. With the prices averaging around $7 to 8 more for a combo it wouldn't have made it worth while for the people who would just sell the dvd version.
That doesn't sound to clear. What I'm saying is that if they included a free dvd version in the box some people would sell it. It would have been better to have the option of buying a box with a separate dvd for around $7 more. without a box no one could sell it for more and you'd get the extra revenue.
LiqwidZero @ Dec 17th 2007 1:26PM
In the UK, you can get a two disc set on HD DVD. It comes with all of the US extras, and all of the extras in HD. You still get the web features and everything.
phloog @ Dec 17th 2007 1:26PM
It is NOT just the Xbox 360 add-on - My A3 is not working with this disc either. The first one froze repeatably (even after re-initialization and such) at 1h50m - - love to have that happen when I'm watching a film for the first time...couldn't just fail at a minute in! Exchanged it, and the second freezes at 1:05...I just got a third, but my hopes are not high.
LiqwidZero @ Dec 17th 2007 1:27PM
If you want to get the UK version, you can get it from XploitedCinema. They also just got in the German import of Crank, last week.
Evan @ Dec 17th 2007 1:37PM
Seems like WB really dropped the ball on this release. HD DVD's going to Blu-Ray buyers and nonworking HD DVD's to the red guys.
I am just a little bit happier now that I never got into the whole Harry Potter thing.
JimC @ Dec 17th 2007 1:54PM
Man, what kind of piece of junk is this A3 player anyway? I mean come on... (of course I'm being facetious because of the recent flak from the red side about the Samsung BDP-1200 player and POTC issues)
Could it be that Warner Bro's is signaling that the impending dumping of HDDVD because it slacked on quality? Hmmmm, could be a sign of going blu-ray only (Again being facetious because of similar comments going the other way :P)
All of my Harry Potter movies from the blu-ray box set seem to work just fine (and no I didn't get any HDDVD's in it) :P
Nfinity @ Dec 17th 2007 2:33PM
And what exactly does HD DVD A3 player has anything to do with this news?
You are blabbing man.. get a grip..
HD Tom @ Dec 17th 2007 1:57PM
No problems w/ the dual-format disk on my HD-A2, but I have had issues on it w/ dual-formats in the past (Chuck & Larry - audio sync issues).
Jim Todd @ Dec 17th 2007 1:58PM
Unfortunately we DID get into Harry Potter...so now we have only a few options.
1) Buy the new movie in SD DVD
2) Buy the Boxed set in HD-DVD, and throw away all our old Harry Potter discs we've collected.
3) Switch to Blu-Ray
I'm not up for re-buying movies, even for the graphical upgrade. So the answer will likely be #1, and HD-DVD will lose a sale...I'd love to help HD-DVD win the 'war' in terms of this title...they just don't make it easy.
andy @ Dec 17th 2007 2:07PM
Or, there's the smart option (regardless of HD format): sit tight for the HD replacement discs.
Devils Advocate @ Dec 17th 2007 1:59PM
For what its worth, The bluray version of this film had two lock ups.
So maybe its an authoring issue
andy @ Dec 17th 2007 2:06PM
Sounds like WB's plant is screwing up everything; swapped discs and bad layering.
This is probably a clean room issue with a plant manufacturing both HDDVD and Blu-ray if it's actually affecting both (the HDDVD only is likely made in another plant).
This should never happen on either format. Consumer electronics are supposed to 'just work', which is the advantage of HDDVD. To lose that perception, that would be a problem.
Izzy @ Dec 17th 2007 3:34PM
All true, but if there were two complete movies on two discs, people would sell the one they don't want. That would decrease sales.
rg23 @ Dec 17th 2007 2:02PM
I did not have a problem with the Harry Potter And The Order of The Phoenix HD DVD on my A30. But I had a problem with Bourne Ultimatum HD DVD. The movie menu loads but it would crash right before the movie starts. I watched the DVD version on the other side of the disc without a problem. I called Amazon and they will ship me a replacement one today.
Eddie @ Dec 17th 2007 2:08PM
I haven't had any issues with either HP or Bourne Ultimatum on my 360, but I did have a problem with Transformers. All I had to do was go into the addon's memory and clear the title's firmware upgrade and it would work just fine, or just disconnect it from the internet. It seemed to stem from wanting to upgrade firmware over a failed(corrupted?) previous attempt.
Kadillac @ Dec 17th 2007 2:13PM
Combo discs are a stupid concept. I stay away from them (I have an A3) because of what I've heard. I ended up getting the UK version of Children of Men due to fear of having playback problems with the combo version.
Knock on wood, I've had no problems with my A3. Maybe some of you aren't handling your discs properly. I'll bet some of you will have a greasy piece of popperoni pizza from Joto's before handling your discs.
Wash your hands...
corndog @ Dec 17th 2007 2:13PM
I played the HD-DVD Order of the Phoenix combo disk on my Xbox HD-DVD drive twice with no problems at all. The most recent Xbox update was installed prior to watching the movie.
Justin Price @ Dec 17th 2007 2:13PM
Watched the combo disc on my 360 with no problem saturday night.
Albert @ Dec 17th 2007 2:27PM
I've also watched this movie on my Xbox 360 HD-DVD twice with no problems. So far I have around 10 HD-DVD's and they all played perfect on my Xbox 360 HD-DVD player.
jbenner @ Dec 17th 2007 2:28PM
I've got the non-combo version that comes in the NA box set and OotP is the only disc in the set that gives me problems on my 360 HD DVD drive. If I view the movie with IME enabled then at some point the PiP locks up but the standard movie will continue to play. If I play the movie with the IME disabled half the time the 360 tells me it cannot obtain a license for the content and exits the movie.
jbenner @ Dec 21st 2007 8:58PM
OK did the 360 add-on update a few days ago and all my Harry Potter problems have been solved. :)
BBG @ Dec 17th 2007 2:28PM
LOL - Big surprise ... M$ & HD DVD = POS ... wouldn't be surprised if you got a RROD & a lockup at the same time LOL!
BTW, watched OOTP on my PS3 and it worked perfectly ... of course, cause well, Sony makes stuff that works ... and Blu-ray is a more reliable disc then HD DVD.
The future is Blu :)
kastonie @ Dec 17th 2007 2:34PM
"Sony makes stuff that works "
hey you joking right?
David V @ Dec 17th 2007 2:46PM
Lets see, spelling MS with a dollar sign, ending a sentence with an "LOL" and a reference to MS hardware problems.
Then, a blatant statement alleging that everything Sony makes always works (yes, at installing root kits) and that Blu-ray is "more reliable."
Ahh, now its all clear, a ps3 fanboy. Good Show. How's that 600 dollar ps3 treating you? (since I assume you bought yours the very day it came out) How about the lack of real system-selling exclusives? Bet that chafes.
zargon @ Dec 17th 2007 4:33PM
Big surprise ... you are trolling yet again.
JimC @ Dec 17th 2007 2:40PM
If you didn't get that my entire comment was mocking the typical ignorant comments often targeting blu-ray, well, then you probably are one of those that makes those comments....it is called sarcasm....
Zach @ Dec 17th 2007 2:34PM
Had problems on both the HD-DVD and DVD sides. Scene 14, 15 and on had numerous lock-ups and skipping problems. I could not finish the movie because of it. Disc shows no scratches on either side. Tried to play the DVD side in original xbox and had same problems at scene 14,15 and on
kastonie @ Dec 17th 2007 2:34PM
"Sony makes stuff that works "
Hey you joking, right?
MarkTiberius @ Dec 17th 2007 2:43PM
My wife and I watched thee Order of the Phoenix HD-DVD/DVD combo on the 360 HD-DVD add-on (HD-DVD side) without problems a couple of nights ago. No hiccups at all.
On the other hand, the Pirates of the Carribean At Worlds End Blu-Ray did lockup on my PS3 after running through all the previews and then trying to go on the main menu. Rebooting the PS3 took care of it.
Mark
Kevin Murphy @ Dec 17th 2007 8:44PM
"I assume you bought yours the very day it came out." No, that would have been too easy -- he bought it for $1300 off of ebay.
Jim Todd @ Dec 17th 2007 2:50PM
This is definitely not an issue with the A3, or with the HD-DVD add-on for the 360. In case you were wondering, I tried the discs on both (since I own both), and there were problems on both. It is the manufacture of the disc, not the hardware as far as I can tell, so comments about MS
Jim Todd @ Dec 17th 2007 2:51PM
oops- got cut off - vs Sony and similar aren't really warranted (and just seem rather childish - follow a sports team if you need to have an irrational belief that your own value is dependent upon which side you align with in a competition in which you have no real input). The A3 and the Add-on have worked wonderfully with many discs, and both fail with the Potter disc.
BBG @ Dec 17th 2007 3:00PM
BTW, did you all see that HP sold better on Blu-ray then HD DVD on Amazon?
Chalk up another win for Blu-ray!
The future is Blu :)
Jeff @ Dec 17th 2007 8:58PM
Get a fucking life!
Kadillac @ Dec 17th 2007 3:04PM
Anyone with a signoff of "The future is Blu :)" is pretty lame in my book. That's salesman speak. How lame can you be, BBG?
Jim Todd @ Dec 17th 2007 3:09PM
Kadillac,
You do realize that if Blu-Ray wins, it means that BBG is better than you, don't you? As the creator of Blu-Ray, BBG does admittedly have a lot of skin in this particular game, and since 40% of the proceeds from Blu-Ray sales go to him, it makes sense that he defend it whenever possible.
This has to be true, because no one can be so petty and small that their self-image is reliant upon the success level of a consumer brand.
Eddie @ Dec 17th 2007 3:21PM
@BBG
On Behalf on Jim Todd:
pwnd.
Kadillac @ Dec 17th 2007 3:12PM
I find the trolling on here hilarious. Here's a thread about a Harry Potter combo disc not working properly, yet Blu-Ray folks are hear touting sales numbers. Very amusing...
Some very insecure people here.
h4ldol @ Dec 17th 2007 3:22PM
Well what do you guys expect? It's not like HD DVD is actually better in any way or aspect than blu-ray. Lower capacity. Lower bandwidth. Predominantly 1080i/60 players. 2nd generation Toshibas with endless problems with displaying 1080p/24 (e.g. lip/audio sync issues) and playing combo discs. Shameless release of major titles without including lossless audio track, including Transformers and Shrek3. Unbearably long and tedious player startup/warmup times (I can make a latte and drink it before the Toshiba logo on my HD-A3 comes out of my Projector). Easily scratched discs (forget about renting those sandpapered discs from Netflix!), etc, etc.
Whew! After writing the above list of HD DVD deficiency/problematic issues, I am amazed that it even exists at all. But it won't for long.
Kadillac @ Dec 17th 2007 3:28PM
As I've said before, scratching isn't be a problem if people would learn how to handle their discs properly.
It wouldn't surprise me if some of you guys used your HD-DVDs as coasters because you are too lazy. Or better yet, eating a #9 steak & cheese from D'Angelo's, and then removing the disc from your player with greasy hands.
My discs are pristine. Why? My hands are clean and I know how to handle my discs with care!
Bob P. @ Dec 17th 2007 4:21PM
Ummm, that what I was said.
But if you put both in the same box and charge an extra $7-8 for it ( which is happening now ) then it wouldn't be worth while to sell since most people aren't going to pay that much for a disc with no box. You can buy a used dvd for around $10-12 right now with a box. So basically if you give people the choice of a straight HD disk for $25 or a HD + Dvd for $33 then only the people who want both are going to get the $33 version. Sure you might get a few who sell the regular dvd copy, but not many just because the $1 to $1.50 profit won't be worth it.
Jim Todd @ Dec 17th 2007 3:38PM
H4...you realize this is a thread about a specific problem, correct?
"Whew! After writing the above list of HD DVD....I am amazed that it even exists at all..."
Since I can't actually find a thread where you haven't typed in that list of problems, I find it odd that you remain shocked and amazed. Do you forget the list each time you type it, and so you are amazed and delighted anew each time? Is your memory akin to an Etch-A-Sketch, where any small amount of shaking dislodges the memory, and you feel you must list the flaws for the first time? I would ask that you try to stay perfectly still for a long time...you have typed this all before.
No one...repeat: No one, subject H4 to vigorous shaking.
Bill @ Dec 17th 2007 4:05PM
Both of my HD-DVD players are 360's plus the add-on. Tried it out on my older 360 to see if there were any problems, there weren't.
So I have an HDMI 360 and an earlier version of the 360, both played Order of the Phoenix disc just fine.
Leonardo DiCrapio @ Dec 17th 2007 4:11PM
i think h4idol is actually guy pearce's character in memento.