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h4ldol @ Dec 14th 2007 9:51PM
Wow. HD DVD fanboys must be so proud. Guess this is the secret weapon that HD DVD fans have been waiting for all these months to save them from extinction. Wonder if HD DVD will ever win a week of sales once Joe 6-pack starts to snatch these up at Walmart?
Mike @ Dec 14th 2007 10:13PM
Is it just about winning a week in software sales?
Cause I just posted in Neilson story that Call of Duty 4 on Xbox 360 sold 1.57 million vs ps3 sales of 444,000.
That is close to 3.5 to 1. I guess time for the ps3 supporters to unplug and buy xboxs cause that war is over.
RIP ps3
ryan @ Dec 14th 2007 10:10PM
The Neilsen ratings don't even include anything outside of the USA and this is being sold to the UK. If you're going to be so condescending at least get your facts straight otherwise you look even more of an idiot.
Nfinity @ Dec 14th 2007 10:23PM
So let me get this straight..
Occasional week that goes over 2:1 in software advantage for Blu-Ray and more often then not software sales that go less then 1.5:1 with 3.7 times more hardware than HD DVD, Blu-Ray is clearly winning and HD DVD is completely dead and has no chance despite cheaper price, better features and online accessibility with the same quality in presentation, BUT SOMEHOW
3:1 hardware advantage of Xbox 360 over PS3, Sales that are more more like 3:1 as well for Xbox 360 over PS3, majority of developer support for Xbox 360 over PS3, cheaper price for Xbox 360 and superior online Xbox Live system with video marketplace where you can rent movies in HD, and all this without a hint of situation improving for PS3 in both hardware sales and software sales not to mention game quality SOMEHOW make PS3 still alive and able to compete?
LOL.. please, stop making yourself look like an ass, cause the disconnect with reality with Blu-Ray tools is off the charts. You don't have a single ounce of logical in your brains. Hypocrites at large, only talking up things that somehow don't go against their illusion of reality.
Mike @ Dec 14th 2007 10:56PM
Nfinity, who you responing to?
h0mi @ Dec 14th 2007 10:28PM
By offering a voucher to pick up in store discs, those "sales" count as much as the coupons for discounted/free discs did earlier in 2007 in the nielsens or whatever it's called in the UK. Much, Much better idea than a stupid mail in rebate form that takes months.
h4ldol @ Dec 14th 2007 10:32PM
Xbox 360. What a joke. It's only for sad sacks who can't afford a PS3, or those who really want to play that 640p "classic" Halo3. Pay monthly fee just to play online? No thanks. Have to buy an external HD DVD player just to play movies? No thanks. Buy an over-heating, fire-prone, cheap piece of doo doo that 1/3 owners need to send in for repairs? No thanks. I'll take the PS3 any day over the Crapbox 360.
Porfirio Reyes @ Dec 14th 2007 11:28PM
LMAO, you're both delusional AND pathetic.
h0mi @ Dec 15th 2007 12:27AM
Right, there are no 640p games on the ps3. pfft.
Mr Bobby @ Dec 14th 2007 10:45PM
I'm just thinking that those are two of the slowest selling titles they could find. Nothing against HD-DVD. But, the people behind this particular promotion, whomever they are or represent, should be ashamed of themselves for giving away garbage. I meant the movies, not the player. Unless the player, because of its manufacturer, it's garbage too.
HD4ME @ Dec 14th 2007 11:06PM
@Mr Bobby
Free and you still moan. There is no pleasing some people
Mike @ Dec 14th 2007 11:04PM
H4lodl,,,but when the movie 300 sells about 200k on blue and about 100k on HD DVD on opening week. Weren't the blueball loosers saying 2 to 1 in sales mean HD DVD is done? yes they were.
So lets look at game sales and ps3 is loosing worse then hd dvd...in a bigger sample size (300k vs 2 million) can't claim to be cheaper so will make up sales...etc
RIP PS3
HD4ME @ Dec 14th 2007 11:05PM
There is a place out there, beyond the good old US of A, it's called "The Rest Of The world", and they still pay a shi* load of money for POS3, A3 etc.
This could be huge for them,being that it is a Toshiba A3 in disguise and will be much cheaper than current offerings.
Yet another positive news story bucketed by the usual blu trolls
Kevin Murphy @ Dec 15th 2007 12:20PM
The cheapest HDM player in the UK is about $400 (Toshiba HD-E30) at current exchange rates. There is no 1080i player for sale on Amazon.co.uk, for example. It's the same in Germany and even higher in France.
If they can sell this for $200 (100 pound), they will sell bunches.
h4ldol @ Dec 14th 2007 11:10PM
Big difference Mike. Multiple gaming systems can, and in fact have historically, co-existed. Like the Xbox, GameCube, and PS2 in the last gen. Dual HDM formats cannot, which is the reason why 2:1 sales advantage of blu-ray over HD DVD for nearly every week since inception, is highly significant.
Mike @ Dec 14th 2007 11:52PM
Well MS lost money on xbox1 as it was really a beta test to get xbox live up. and the game market has showed it can support 2 but not 3 systems.
Nintendo and sega were ok together but neo and tubo grahics could break in and survive..then when PS1 came sega had to drop to 3rd and could substain profits and had to go away. Now that xbox is here someone won't be able to survive.
And the content is king crowd says it is PS3. Maybe they can make a go with PS4...but that is probably their last shot.
JBDragon @ Dec 14th 2007 11:17PM
A 2:1 sales average every week is pretty poor. It should be at least 4:1 every week and it isn't. That's just sad. Maybe next year you Blu-Ray fanboys can go out and buy a new complete finished product.
h4ldol @ Dec 14th 2007 11:28PM
Amusing how desperate HD DVD fanboys claim that blu-ray should be dominating by an even greater margin than it currently is, presumably due to the huge numbers of PS3s sold in the US. Of course, those huge numbers of PS3s do not count, in their admittedly humble opinions, when tallying up the number of players sold. Typical desperation and hypocrisy by team red. Big yawn.
Truth Teller @ Dec 15th 2007 7:42AM
The really big yawn is seeing the Blu-ray support group unable to even go along with the BDas recent stats.
2007 high def sales are (according to the BDA) 4 million BLu-ray to 2.7 million HD DVD.
And HD DVD had an appaling first quarter in 2007.
2 : 1.35.
Not very impressive considering how many Blu-ray players are supposed to be out there.
It's just a matter of time.
ryan @ Dec 15th 2007 9:45AM
h4ldol,
How about find a date and show them your awesome blu-ray collection? It's Friday night.... Before you say the same to me, my wife would have a problem with me bringing a date home.....
Jin @ Dec 15th 2007 11:35AM
Do you people beleive that these execs are so short sided as to think that one format is "winning" or "losing" over the other right now? Right now BOTH formats are losing. Mass adoption will be the key to who wins or who loses, not weekly sales numbers when they are so pitiful as they are right now.
BBG @ Dec 15th 2007 4:48PM
LOL - are you really that in denial Billy? ... oh stats don't matter now because you're losing ... right right i see ...
Blu-ray has outsold HD DVD every single week this year ... Blu-ray has many many more Blu-ray players in the market then HD DVD ... Blu-ray is winning on all fronts ... there is not a single reputable news source that has HD DVD winning this thing ... whereas many predict Blu-ray coming out on to by years end 2008.
You do realize Warner Bros. is going Blu-ray exclusive early next year don't you?
Will you still say stats don't matter once that happens? :)
Truth Teller @ Dec 15th 2007 5:11PM
*quote*
You do realize Warner Bros. is going Blu-ray exclusive early next year don't you?
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LMAO
You could hardly be more wrong.
Patience.
HD DVD will be having a very good CES 2008 & 2008 is just going to get even better.
Seriously, you could hardly be more wrong.
BBG @ Dec 15th 2007 11:45PM
You realize that HD DVD got destroyed this year right?
Please tell me that you can at least realize that Blu-ray outsold HD DVD every single week this year.
In spite of what you hope, Warner Bros. will be going Blu-ray exclusive early next year ... HD DVD has failed ... in the USA ... and has done even worse world wide.
People want 1 format, Blu-ray is a superior technology and has outsold the competition - it's really that simple.
The future is Blu.
Truth Teller @ Dec 16th 2007 12:48PM
*quote*
You realize that HD DVD got destroyed this year right?
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LMAO
Clearly you're delusional.
10 million or so PS3's et al to 1 million HD DVD players = (by the BDAs own admission) 4 million Blu-ray disc sales in 2007 to 2.7 million HD DVD.
Yeah, "destroyed".
Hilarious.
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*quote*
In spite of what you hope, Warner Bros. will be going Blu-ray exclusive early next year .
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More self-delusion.
Pure and simple wrong.
They will not be.
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*quote*.. HD DVD has failed ... in the USA ... and has done even worse world wide.
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Clutch at your straws and make mountains out of tiny sales number molehills all you like but it doesn't make it so.
Blu-ray is a game console format hitching a ride on a game console that was always bound to sell several millions.
That is all.
Blu-ray & PS3 are just the new PSP & UMD (with a relatively tiny bit of stand-alone & PC activity stuck on).
Blu-ray disc sales numbers are ultimately meaningless to the mainstream a/v market cos their sales numbers are so small (everywhere) and are never looking like they're going to be making the break into the mainstream mass-market.
HD DVD meanwhile just gets ever closer to that mainstream mass-market with players Blu-ray simply cannot compete with
(clearance sales of buggy Samsungs included).
BTW Greg, try and read properly what I said.
I never did say '4 million PS3s', I said the BDA are reporting 4 million BD disc sales.
(although I note that Sony are going to try and claim 11 million PS3s sold by march 2008)
Greg @ Dec 16th 2007 12:51AM
It's ok BBG, the HD DVD fanboys are in denial ;)
An obscure like RDjam starts a rumor, reported by Lee Stewart on AVS, and it's considered "official".
Someone as important as the VP of a major studio reports what is the current word in the Hollywood biz (Warner adopting Blu Ray), which is also confirmed by several other sources (among which reported by the NYT, showing at the very least that the rumor has legs), and it's "nothing".
The PS3 doesn't count as a player, but it does when looking at attach rates. The real number of PS3 reportedly sold is 2.7million in the US, but now "truth" makes it 4 million, just to say that the ratio of sales should be superior. HD DVD loses every single week this year, but it's all about hardware sold.
Blu Ray even outsold in standalonesa at one point, and is still relatively close despite the firesale at practically free point (about 40% to 60%), and the number with PS3 just blasts HD DVD away, but they are winning.
Toshiba and its fanboys, Out of spite for Sony I guess, as pathetic a reason that is, have developped an uncanny ability for denial and FUD. It is already perfectly clear at this point what is needed to make this stupid (STUPID) format war shorter, and it's going Blu Ray. But no, they'd rather it all go to waste and screw =all= of the current HDM adopters rather than see their precious HD DVD declared loser for good.
It doesn't matter in the end. CES or shortly after will finally prove a point, and hopefully those same fanboys will have the guts to say they were wrong and help by switching format and make the transition, which will be painful for many in any case, shorter.
FUD, FUD and double FUD, is what they stand for now. Hopefully we can still see a rapid resolution of this sad situation.
Teddy @ Dec 16th 2007 12:56AM
Anyone else tired of this HD DVD vs. Blu-ray BS ? Personally, I would like to see Blu win, but at this point I just want a definite winner by this time next year. Blu is better (and still evolving), but just as VHS showed us, you don't have to be the best format on the block to win.
I was in J&R (Downtown Manhattan) yesterday and I saw five Blu-ray players (three Sony and two Panasonic) at the pick-up counter along with Philips DVD player. I'm still waiting to buy a next-gen player and I have to admit I was tempted to buy one yesterday. Maybe I should get a PS3 when GTA IV comes out in April.
Billy @ Dec 16th 2007 1:26AM
Truth Teller: you're right on the money.
Hi-Def market share is probably at about 3% . Right now standalone player sales are WAAAAY more important than software sales as it's an indicator as to which format will be accepted by the masses.(especially when Blu-ray's software lead isn't in proportion to it's hardware installation base).
Software sales will really start to matter when the Hi-Def market share's around 10-15%.
WB has even stated, that they're going to side with the format that gets the most players into consumer hands this holiday season.
I take the Lionsgate rumor as a sign that WB has already decided to side with HD-DVD; why else would someone leak important "insider info" like that. In big business, things like that are to be kept secret until official announcements are made. Seems like a scare-tactic to get more consumers to buy Blu.
If Order of the Phoenix Blu doesn't outsell it's HD-DVD counterpart by more than 2:1... the format war will be done with by the end of next year, in HD-DVD's favor. And by current sales stats, that's exactly what's going to happen. Current stats HD-DVD vs Blu-ray: http://amazon.highdefdigest.com/rank.aspx
Billy @ Dec 16th 2007 1:31AM
Haha yeah blu-ray has better software sales, in a TEENY-TINY Hi-Def market. And if you dont think the PS3 effect is going to wear off as Hi-Def media becomes mainstream, you're smokin crack! (even the PS2 which was #1 only accounted for about 2% of DVD players back then)
A lot of you blu-boys know nothing about basic economics. Hi-Def takes up 3% or so of movie sales right now. At 3%... it just means that its mostly just fanboys and technophiles like ourselves buying players, not the average consumer. I'd also like to add, that even though blu has more than 3 times the players out there, they could only get a 70:30 lead in software sales when HD-DVD wasn't releasing anything big for the week(while blu had 2-3 big ones), whenever it's catalog vs catalog, it stays steady at 60:40 (again i must emphasize, that this is with more than 3 times the number of blu players in homes) . Next year when the studio support is about even, blu's failure will become more noticeable. It was 2007 or bust for blu, and even Sony's own CEO couldn't hide his dissapointment in recent interviews.
If Blu-ray cant get the standalone players out to more people, they will continue to give leverage to HD-DVD. Just weeks ago, Blu-ray completely dominated the top 25 on Amazon. With the holiday buying season in full swing (when most average joe's buy big-ticket electronics), which format has 6 of the top 10 and 15 of the top 25 titles now that the holiday season is here? -->HD-DVD
locke6854 @ Dec 16th 2007 9:25AM
Heres an ettiquite lesson for blu and hd fanboys-
What will people respond better to?
a) 300 sold better for blu because they packaged 300 in hd-dvd players, so they weren't counted. xbox is selling better than ps3 because most gamers seem to choose xbox, while some people are buying ps3s to play blu-ray discs now that the price has lowered.
b) i laugh so hard at your pathetic format, yawn your desperate pleas are nothing new, my format already one, the other RIP
the point is, stop sounding like grade-schoolers and try to lean towards something resembling intelligence instead of FUD. You aren't "representing" your format, and you sure won't sway people to agree with some of the things you guys write. both sides.
BBG @ Dec 16th 2007 1:43PM
I love all of these long blabbermouth explanations by HD DVD as to why they're losing ... the point is, YOU'RE LOSING! HA!
Every week this year Blu-ray has won, I know that hurts ... and you're powerless to do anything about it. :)
HD DVD has like 500k players out there ... don't lie and say it's much more then that.
Harry Potter is selling better on Blu-ray, Warner Bros. sees this.
Bottom line is that HD DVD is an inferior format that is being outsold more then 2:1 ... HD DVD HAS LOST EVERY WEEK THIS YEAR. That's called being destroyed.
Warner Bros. will be going Blu early next year.
The future is Blu.
locke6854 @ Dec 16th 2007 2:37PM
BBG-- my words fell on deaf ears. My point was choice a) was an example of someone attempting a civil argument without sounding retardly fanatical. choice b) was.. well YOU, apparently.
Iridium @ Dec 16th 2007 3:17PM
It's really fun to watch this whole situation unfold.
I guess my fellow americans keep proving to the world how ignorant they are. How they blindly follow people and companies that aren't even worth consideration. People say how if you are a pure gamer you should buy the 360 becuase it has the best games and thats all that matters. Funny thing is the only best game you can't play anywhere else is Halo 3. In a couple years you'll be able to buy it on the PC.
Sorry but even with good games a XBOX 360 is never a smart purchase. The hardware could only be worse it it was build from a breadboard. But people don't care, they take comfort in an extended warranty, somehow turning it into a positive. Saying see how much Microsoft cares about us. They don't care at all they were trying to stop an allout recall that would have cost them more money.
The XBOX division is still a huge loser for Microsoft overall. They posted a profit for a quarter finally but that is only becuase they wrote of all of the future losses on last year's numbers. While Sony is still losing money on the PS3 they are making a lot of money on the Playstation brand.
I also like how the HD-DVD guys keep posting the charts from Amazon. Why it keeps showing BluRay overall dominance. Out of the top 10 7 are BluRay. In that top ten the only HD-DVD titles are Bourne and Planet Earth. In dual format Harry Potter is ahead, BladeRunner is ahead, The Departed is ahead, and 300 is still ahead. Even though 300 is packed in some HD-DVD players it is not packed in the majority of the HD-DVD players that have been sold.
Robocop on BluRay is doing better than the HP box set on HD-DVD.
On Amazon BluRay has 32 titles in the top 50. By a simple count that leaves 18 titles for HD-DVD. Which format has the advantage again?
Unless something really crazy happens HD-DVD is not going to roll over BluRay. I don't know how HD-DVD is going to have a great CES. They aren't going to have anouncements of major CE companies turing around to make HD-DVD players. Fox and Disney aren't going to annouce that they are going neutral. What exactly can the HD-DVD camp do? Announce players for $19.99, thats about it.
Mike @ Dec 16th 2007 4:45PM
Iridum,
Do you know why today blue has so many in the top 50? cause of post like this at blue-ray.com. it is about a buy 1 get 1 at amazon....
wouldn't this have been better last week?
We had harry and HD DVD had Harry and Bourne and a BOGO
We had a BOGO for the first 2 days and a shitty one at Best Buy. Why didnt they do this BOGO last week?
Edit: THIS SUNDAY STILL COUNTS FOR BOURNE WEEK!!!!! If your gonna get anything with the amazon BOGO or anything from the Best Buy BOGO do it today and help stop Bourne!
....
just like the poll here..they have a little pep rally to do anything to keep HD-DVD from winning.
BTW - Yesterday the top 50 at this time was 32 HD DVD and 18 blue
Mike @ Dec 16th 2007 4:52PM
I should add...this is exactly why Warner has said they won't rely on a game system to support sales. Would the kids at blue-ray.com be so gung ho about spending all their money on movies to beat someone else. It's like they have to play this game since they don't have XBOX live.
BTW
Call of Duty on xbox360 1.57 million on ps3 444k
Must suck to chant movie sales are what matters then see the spanking ps3 is taking as a game system.
BBG @ Dec 16th 2007 7:59PM
LOL - it's funny ... you can tell how sincerely pissed off HD DVD owners are that they're getting spanked in the sales ... it's been 49 weeks and counting of pure Blu-ray dominance and there's nothing HD DVD owners can do but realize they're supporting a losing format.
All HD DVD posts are the same, they try to complicate things because the simple reality is just too painful ...
Blu-ray has won every week this year.
The future is Blu :)
Mike @ Dec 16th 2007 8:04PM
Ps3 get spanked every week too by wii and xbox 360
RIP ps3
jocedeg @ Dec 17th 2007 7:32PM
I've seen this cheapo player on sale at a WallMart here in Canada (Montral) for $197. Odd thing: this WallMart got rid of it's Blu ray and HD DVD movie inventory this summer for lack of sales. So now you can buy a player but nothing worthy to play on it.