Nielsen VideoScan High-Def market share for week ending November 18th, 2007

by Ben Drawbaugh posted Nov 26th 2007 at 1:09PM

Just when we started to expect the Nielsen VideoScan numbers courtesy of Home Media Magazine on Fridays, they mix it up and release 'em on Monday -- we'd bet the holiday is to blame. The other curve ball this week, is the lack of a top ten list -- which we also hope is also due to a holiday and not a permanent deal. The lack of a list makes this a hard post, when only faced with the market share numbers. What we can tell is that Blu-ray titles were a little more popular this week than last, leading HD DVD by 66/34 (1.94:1) compared to last week's 65/35. We can also safely assume that Shrek, and the recent influx of HD DVD players, wasn't enough to make a dent in Blu-ray's new releases and recent price cuts. We suspect that HD DVD won't fare as well next week either, with Blu-ray's hot Die Hard franchise hitting the shelves while HD DVD really only had a very expensive Star Trek box set.

Filed under: Blu-ray, HD DVD

Tags: format war, FormatWar, nielsen videoscan, videoscan

Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)

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Devils Advocate @ Nov 26th 2007 1:16PM

This is what $150 million got Toshiba. HAHAHAHA! 66:34 on Shrek week. I anxiously wait for the HD-DVD camp to explain how this week was a "victory"!!!

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mlody11 @ Nov 26th 2007 1:25PM

I don't think anyone cares anymore. Lets just wait until someone is actually the winner. Good Luck and Have Fun to both!

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LA26 @ Nov 26th 2007 1:30PM

What I have noticed more recently is the huge increase of commercials coming from the BDA camp on HD channels.

I did a count while I was watching a few of the games in HD on Sunday Ticket and I saw 8 commercials from BDA and only 2 from HD-DVD.

It kind of surprised me because I thought that Toshiba's marketing department was doing an excellent job.

Why not by time slots to increase awareness of your product over the holiday season?

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Kris @ Nov 26th 2007 1:31PM

@Devils Advocate,
Lets not forget that there was yet again another BOGO going in the blu-ray camp! Slashed prices always equal more sales, and as long as blu-ray keeps taking all these losses with BOGO's to match HD DVD's big releases, they will continue to pull in big nielson numbers.. perhaps HD DVD should take a lesson from it and combat with some BOGO's of their own and you'll see a HD DVD win on the Nielsons, guaranteed!

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Devils Advocate @ Nov 26th 2007 1:38PM

Excuses. Excuses. Thats all the HD-DVD camp can do. "If we do this we win" If thats what it takes. THEN WIN.

Also, amazon was the only place doing bogo, not BB or CC.

Do something to WIN. I do agree that that the HD-DVD ads have been pretty good.

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Shack @ Nov 26th 2007 1:45PM

@Kris
Wait for the top ten titles before you start crying about the BOGO in the blu-ray camp. It is my guess that maybe one of the BOGO movies even makes that list which is where the majority of the sales come from. And the "losses" on BOGO movies is not really a loss at all. This is basically a half price deal and the studio is probably losing a chunk of revenue and the retailer is taking a small hit, but no one is taking a loss. The loss Toshiba is taking on $99 and $198 players seems more substantial.

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Leonardo DiCrapio @ Nov 26th 2007 1:38PM

my sister bought a hd-a3 for $199 on black friday at a brick-and-mortar store. she thought it was a great price. i'm pretty sure she had no idea that wal*mart was selling the hd-a2 for $99 three weeks earlier (and really didn't want to mention it).

i bought a hd-a3 with 3 extra movies (for a total of 10) from amazon on tuesday (11/20) for $199, received it on wednesday, and got a price adjustment of approximately $40 on thursday (after e-mailing amazon). i bought st:tos s1 for $106 for deepdiscount on tuesday (11/20), and it shipped on wednesday.

i bought 3 for 2 hd-dvd's on friday from amazon, and got 2 hd-dvd's (with 20% off) from deepdiscount on sunday (last day coupon was good until was 11/25).

hd-a3's sell for under $200 at a number of places online (including "consumer-trusted" places like amazon). i don't know why b&m stores try to sell them for $299 (maybe because best buy can't justify knocking $100 off the $199 price when you buy a hdtv).

people think the hd-a3 is a bargain for under $200. a lot of these are going to sell in the next month before christmas. hd-dvd's (i.e. transformers) will be bought with the hd-a3's, and the recipients are going to be buying hd-dvd's in late december and january.

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DeadPlasmaCell @ Nov 26th 2007 1:56PM

@ Devils Advocate

Soo what's your excuse for Blu-Ray not actually winning the format war already?? If it's such a superior product how come it isn't the only option available and how come they can't finish HD-DVD off? Which is weird because the Blu-boys already said the war was over long ago... that reality can be a bitch sometimes x)

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sino @ Nov 26th 2007 1:42PM

I'm a little confused by this comment:

"We can also safely assume that Sherk, and the recent influx of HD DVD players, wasn't enough to make a dent in Blu-ray's new releases and recent price cuts."

Didn't the "recent influx of HD DVD players" happen this past week? Meaning, 11/19-11/25 (well, mainly 11/23-11/25). So, the Nielsen VideoScan numbers for the week ending 11/18 doesn't actually take into account the "influx," right?

I'd imagine the "influx of HD DVD players" would be reflected in the next Nielsen VideoScan numbers (namely, the one for this week). But, of course, Blu-ray's "Live and Die Hard" should have done pretty well too!

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xemumanic @ Nov 26th 2007 1:45PM

He's talking about the recent influx of the $99 HD-DVD players most likely.

And that didn't help them win a week either.

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Kadillac @ Nov 26th 2007 1:44PM

I was a staunch Blu-Ray supporter until I saw the great deal on Amazon. You can't beat 10 movies and an HD player for under $200. I'm still planning on getting BR in the next year or so, but the movie selection on HD-DVD is so much better at this point.

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JayHDDVD @ Nov 26th 2007 1:46PM

Saw an HD DVD commercial on NBC last night during the Patriots game... was a football based hd dvd commercial haha.

Was kind of funny.

Seriously though, let's see what these numbers are like after Xmas... if they continue to be 60 something % for BR and Warner go BR it's over in 2008.

As a supporter of both, I would welcome this. People are confused... it's time to end this soon.

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Truth Teller @ Nov 26th 2007 2:12PM

We just have to wait a little while until people move on from the excellent little stock of freebie HD DVD movies everyone has been getting to enjoy with their purchase.

It's pretty obvious that with between 5, 7 & 10 free movies people won't be rushing out and buying new movies for a little while.

But you'd have to be insane not to think they will have an impact soon.

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Nfinity @ Nov 26th 2007 2:16PM

So let me get this straight.. HD DVD had no real releases while Blu-Ray camp had BOGO, Disney flicks, Die Hard and a few others and it didn't move A SINGLE number over what was before..

It just seems that Blu-Ray camp needs to continue giving stuff away and slashing prices in order to maintain this lead.

Oh and Ben, the influx of HD DVD players that have happened and will happen won't really start showing the numbers until after the holidays as people are still waiting for give stuff away as presents, they are still playing around with the players and probably evaluating what's the player they got. Instead of your regular Blu-Ray cheering, how about you engage some reason. With ridiculous statements like the influx of players didn't help you are just flaming with no logical reasoning behind it.

Blu-Ray fanboys seem to forget, the BD advantage is temporary. Once the HD DVD standalone players reach the mass levels (which is happening btw, if we look at all retailers and Amazon), once the software numbers flip again in the HD DVD advantage, IT WILL never go back to Blu-Ray again. Once the dominance is established, it's pretty much a point of no return.

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LA26 @ Nov 26th 2007 2:41PM

Please for the love of common sense drop the phrase:

"Once the HD DVD standalone players reach the mass levels (which is happening btw, if we look at all retailers and Amazon), once the software numbers flip again in the HD DVD advantage, IT WILL never go back to Blu-Ray again. Once the dominance is established, it's pretty much a point of no return."

Deal with the here and now.

Facts:

Toshiba's marketing department should be drafted by the BDA.

Football HD-DVD awareness commercial during sunday night football was a win.

There lack of continuing commercials on every HD channel other than one sunday night football spot was a fail.

HD-DVD is marketing towards the average consumer yet for some odd reason they AREN'T pushing the envelope as far as commercials raising awareness.

I had to see about 30 or so commercials for the new $399 price point of the PS3 as well.

It seems that Sony is turning up the heat on marketing as well.

If your betting on hopes wouldn't it be easy to say HD-DVD will lose once profile 2.0 is out?Or would that be "ammo" for HD-DVD supports to tout HD-DVD's better spec?

Don't run double standards in the hopes of placing your choice of HD format on a pedestal it isn't ready to stand upon.

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Nate @ Nov 26th 2007 3:45PM

I have been a lurker here for awhile and I must say in all the time I have been reading engadget Nfinity if by far the most FUDing fanboy on this site. These Neilson numbers *do not* include Die Hard and the BOGO was ONLY on Amazon.

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Kadillac @ Nov 26th 2007 3:18PM

I really think it's foolish not to go for the Amazon deal, even if you are a hardcore BR supporter. It's a no brainer for anyone who considers themselves a movie fan.

Casino, Goodfellas, The Shining, 300 and Bourne Identity will keep me busy for a while...then the 5 additional freebies arrive...

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LA Dave @ Nov 26th 2007 6:26PM

I'm not sure how much the impact of the $99 HD DVD Players will have.
If that many people cost-conscious people are buying cheap HD DVD players, are they really going to spend $25-30 for a HD DVD movie?
They would most likely rent via Netflix or some other place that rents HD DVDs vs. buying them.
HD DVD movies may be more popular to rent but for studios it's about sales.

What do you guys think?

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sino @ Nov 26th 2007 6:43PM

I personally don't like to spend $25-30 for any movie (SD, HD, or BD). I suppose if I was willing to only spend $99 for an HD-A2 at Walmart, I probably wouldn't want to spend $25-30 per movie either.

My brother-in-law bought an HD-A3 for $200 from Best Buy and got 9 movies included (2 from BB, 2 in-box, 5 mail-in) and he only rents HD DVDs from Netflix. I guess he falls under your hypothesis.

I got the same deal as my brother-in-law (except I got the 10 movies deal). At first, I thought I was only going to rent from Netflix, but I ended up buying about a half dozen movies or so, but all are under $20.

What I'm trying to say is, for me, $25-30 for any movie is just too expensive. Now, if all HD DVD movies dropped to $10-15 (I know, wishful thinking!), I'll be packing a lot more of them (as would everyone else, of course)! On the other hand, I think my brother-in-law would still be renting.

Now, not meaning to stoke the flames, but I couldn't justify (to my wife) spending $200 more for a BD player. $200 is a lot of movies. :)

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JayHDDVD @ Nov 26th 2007 2:40PM

Venturer HD DVD player seen in Walmarts in Ontario starting today for 199.

Comes with 2 movies in box.

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Nfinity @ Nov 26th 2007 3:39PM

Marketing is one, flawed product is another. $400 is still $400 and that's for a game console that not everyone wants. Only 1 player on the market now for Blu-Ray can be even really be considered a competing product and that's the new Panasonic BD-30. Even that one seriously lacks features especially if we consider only core decoding for TrueHD and DD+ with no DTS-MA not to mention no online connectivity and all this for $500. They can market the product as much as they want, the price and quality are both in play regardless of what people hope for. And price and quality has been already discussed numerous times are equal with Blu-Ray and HD DVD not to mention that every HD DVD player no matter which one is a fully featured player. Simple.

Second, sure, I would actually support Blu-Ray if it had several things. Profile 2.0 (all same features as HD DVD we have NOW) and sub $250 standalone price. With those 2 things I would support Blu-Ray fully as far as technological aspects are concerned. However I have hard time supporting companies that are involved in price fixing cartels and actually trying to cover it up. Sony has done this in the past and also done so many anti-consumer things that it's very hard to support anything they wholeheartedly support. I'm actually very afraid of the future technology where Sony holds majority of both software and hardware lines. But of course, this is not the main reason for me not supporting Blu-Ray.

To answer your comment, Profile 2.0 you will not see most likely until 2009, especially considering that only Panasonic has Profile 1.1 player out. Add to that technical difficulties with BD50 disks and higher costs of Blu-Ray in general, Blu-Ray has a lot of growing up to do in terms of mass adaption.

Marketing only helps raise awareness and it's actually a good thing for HD DVD because consumers will see the benefit of HD and hear about HD DVD as well and the price will do the rest as we already see is. HD DVD players are absolutely topping Amazon lists, retailers Best Buy, Sears, Kmart, Circuit City have crazy $169-$199 sales of HD DVD players with 10 free movies. No amount of marketing will make someone who wants to watch movies in HD, go and buy a game console for $400-$500 or $500+ standalone when they have the same thing on HD DVD for

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Devils Advocate @ Nov 26th 2007 2:50PM

Also, HD-DVD camp has absolutely NO PLACE to call out the BDA for price cutting when your camp has $99 player fire sales.

Double standard if there ever was one.

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John B @ Nov 26th 2007 3:04PM

"Nfinity you are seriously getting dumber and dumber."

Nice ad hominem attack. So, that's what the BD camp has to resort to? You are not putting Blu-ray in a positive light with your childish inanities. I guess that "My daddy can beat up YOUR format!" is next.

{roll eyes}

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Devils Advocate @ Nov 26th 2007 3:09PM

When he starts using realistic arguments and not fantasy spin that isnt real.

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seanc @ Nov 26th 2007 4:14PM

JohnB it wasn't just ad hominem, he did address the argument, you just chose not to quote it all. Honestly I thought Nfinity's point was pretty inaccurate/inflammatory too, I guess some people are just more tired then others of hearing it.

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Geoff @ Nov 26th 2007 3:26PM

Is there any word on how the Oceans films sold on the formats? Thats the race I think will be more telling than anything else.

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Geoff @ Nov 26th 2007 3:30PM

I also am curious how "Close Encounters" sold and whether or not any more Speilberg films are being prepared for a HiDef release (I'm thinking Indiana Jones). Based on the Paramount deal could Speilberg "restrict" Indiana Jones to Blu Ray -- or is the deal you have to release on both?

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Raptor007 @ Nov 26th 2007 3:33PM

The more squabbling I see in these comments, the less I care. Why do people take such strong sides when nothing is stopping them from buying both?

There are movies I want on both formats, so I'm going dual-format. Neither format has all the titles I want, and I doubt either ever will.

Both sides seem certain that some kind of "victory" is coming, but I see no evidence of that.

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EGo @ Nov 26th 2007 3:36PM

Personally I'm not sure if I'm ready for the war to be over... With my HD DVD player I can enjoy HD movies now. If the war ends and Blu-Ray wins... ...how long will I have to wait before they make a 1.1 ro 2.0 profile player I can afford. (

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Greg @ Nov 26th 2007 4:04PM

Ah, the smell of HD DVD spin in the morning :)

Despite 90k+ players sold, nto a dent in the ratio (actually BR is having a stronger week this week, and against a HD DVD Bogo -and- SHREK 3!). The PS3's are flying off the shelves and the effect of those (including a Spiderman3 in the boxes) will be soon felt.
ONKYO just dropped production of its HD DVD player and is said to be looking into the production of Blu Ray ones
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avmagazine.it%2Fnews%2Fsorgenti%2Fonkyo-dv-hd805-l-hd-dvd-fantasma_2654.html&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

Short of putting a gun to your head, breaking in your house and forcing you to intall a HD DVD, where can Toshiba go from now on? PRice dumps haven't worked (the A3's are now basically free with 10 movies, the price of the movies being superior to the unit)...
For the sake of the consumers, it's time to see the light frankly...

As per the person who was wondering when they could afford a Blu Ray player, if you mean afford as in "under $300", it's coming right up, but probably sometime in 2008 :)
No need for the BDA to destroy its members by dumping prices, like Toshiba knows now too well.

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Geoff @ Nov 26th 2007 5:08PM

I don't know if that Italian site is right or not -- but if Onkyo made a dual format player I would be on that like white on rice. I've never had an Onkyo product I was unhappy with.

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darryl @ Nov 26th 2007 4:08PM

With the Die Hard bundle I almost bought a BluRay player last week, err PS3. But I restrained myself and just bought DH4 on DVD.
I did buy the Oceans bundle on HD DVD.
When the PS3 supports profile 1.1 I may consider it again, or the next GT comes out.

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dmendro @ Nov 26th 2007 4:16PM

Devils Advocate @ Nov 26th 2007 2:46PM
Nfinity you are seriously getting dumber and dumber.

These results were for the week of 11/16, which means Die Hard wasnt in that week, but Shrek 3 WAS. I suppose you dont consider that major. In otherwords, one of Toshiba's biggest exclusives couldnt move HD-DVD any closer. I dont know whats more pathetic. That defeat or your inability to see the truth.

You have predicted HD-DVD would start winning by now and yet it hasnt put a dent in ANYTHING.

The response to losing cant continue to be, "wait until this time frame"

Win something first and then we will talk.

"

who the hell is buying Shrek 3 in HD-DVD? Why would I want a CARTOON IN HD?? Does that make sense to anyone else??????????????????????????????????????????????????

Give me big bang movies with lots of special effects and awesome cinematography. Give me Classic black and white's remastered with their best releases yet. Don't give me second rate 80's comedies shot with awful film quality, and cartoon's.

Give me Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Saving Private Ryan, Star Wars, Die Hard on one format. Oh, it's not gonna happen. Everyone's going to end up with either combo players @ $100-150 or one of each @$75-100 in a year or two and this conversation will be moot.

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Kevin Murphy @ Nov 27th 2007 12:29AM

So, I had this idea ... the president of Warner Bros calls up the presidents of Sony and Universal ans says: unless you guys agree that everyone releases on all formats, like we do, I'm going to flip a coin and chose a side. Tomorrow, one of you will be out of a job. Go neutral, or else.

Won't happen, but it's a nice idea....

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Philihp @ Nov 27th 2007 1:18PM

People would buy Shrek 3 HD DVD for the same reason they bought Ratatouille on Blu-ray.

Studio exclusivity sucks. I applaud Warner for their neutrality. Maybe their production costs are higher, but I don't have to worry about if any of their releases will play on my PS3.

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John B @ Nov 26th 2007 4:46PM

@seanc:

I'M TIRED OF THE WHOLE DAMNED HIGH-DEF (FLAME)WAR!

Why the @%$# are people getting insulting and over-sensitive over the encoding mechanism of a damned, 12cm piece of #$*^ing PLASTIC?!

This whole debacle has yielded nothing but confusion on the part of the average consumer and has truly brought out the most pathetic childishness I've seen since the PC/C64 flamewars of the 1980s! It's a DISC! A $^@#ing 12cm DISC!! Yet people have degenerated the whole thing to a childish sandbox squabble

... all ... over .. a ... f@%#ing ... piece ... of ... plastic!

Gee, I can't possibly imagine why some people might be tired of this whole stupidity! Both camps need to grow the hell up and let everyone enjoy whatever format they want!

** Grrrrrrr..... **

Ah, I feel better now.

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EGo @ Nov 26th 2007 4:16PM

@Greg

I hope so. I would love to own both players. But I dont get the logic. If they haven't dropped the price below $300 by now, why would they any time soon. Especially if they were the only format.
Black Friday/Christmas would have been the time to do drop prices and they didn't. Not enough anyway.

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WallyB @ Nov 26th 2007 4:28PM

Just ordered my Samsung BD-P1400 Blu-Ray player for $314 from Onecall. That'll go along nicely with my $98 HD-A2 and my 360 add-on drive.

Format war neutrality, FTW! Whee!!!

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Mike @ Nov 26th 2007 4:48PM

@dmendro: It's a shame you don't like animation in Hi Def. Shrek 3 looks terrific on HD and Open Season looks terrific on Blu. Both discs are worthy of showing off that nice new HD big screen (as well as your surround sound system).

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JeffDM @ Nov 26th 2007 5:25PM

Do some of you people have your identities wrapped up in a particular HD format? Sheesh. Get a life. It's sad that this format war is 90% of the "discussion" that happens on this blog.

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MI @ Nov 26th 2007 5:36PM

Once again, I hope people come to these forums before deciding on a format. In addition to the reasons previously stated, the ability to see a historical perspective not only of the neilson stats which show that despite the 'format saving titles' and $99 players, Blu-Ray continues to outsell HDVD by huge numbers. But also to see that each week the people who are saying that HDVD is the better format, for reasons that don't make any sense to begin with, are also saying each and every week: "Next week the numbers will show that HDVD is really outselling BD because of this or that", and it NEVER happens.

So what's the smart-money move, buying into a $150 dying format, or buying into a $350 format on its up swing?

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zargon @ Nov 26th 2007 6:01PM

"So what's the smart-money move, buying into a $150 dying format, or buying into a $350 format on its up swing?"

On its up swing, are you kidding me? I think you mean stagnant. What has Blu-ray really done recently other than buying support and wins each week recently with BOGOs?

If you look at the numbers over the past few months, it actually has shown a slight decline in the numbers for Blu-ray.

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Phoenixxx1974 @ Nov 26th 2007 6:17PM

I like HD-DVD, i think the selection is better, no region coding, the hardware is finished no confusing crap with profile 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0 blah blah blah.

But what i am surprised is how NO ONE mentions that HD-DVD is selling remarkably well and keeping it so close despite having like 5-10 times LESS PLAYERS. So keeping it less then 2-1 is amazing, HD-DVD is selling ALOT better then numbers say if you consider that fact.

I know you bluray fans will disect everything i say and try to insult me calling me a HD-DVD idiot but i don't care say what you will i just had to say that blu-ray is NOT selling better, they are selling more because they have ALOT MORE players. Also movie to player ratio is important and HD-DVD has a MUCH bigger ration which studios do and should look at. Why the hell release 10 movies on blu-ray is the ratio is only 1 movie per 3 players when you can make those movies on HD-DVD where the ratio is 3 or 4 per player.

By the way i think the 40gig PS3 is STUPID and NO ONE should buy it just pay the extra $100 for the 80gig, or and upscale them to high def and have your memory card slots and all the USB ports.

The ONLY reason blu-ray is even still around if because of the PS3. IF the PS3 did not have blu-ray player it would have never been a issue.

Plus i like what other people have said, if blu-ray is so much better and has more movies and is the best and supirior product why hasn't it won already? Also when HD-DVD had no releases for a while? ESPECIALLY having tons more players out thanks to the hype of the PS3 and more studio support like Disney and Fox in their corner etc...?

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Devils Advocate @ Nov 26th 2007 7:10PM

Same old argument that HD-DVD has been giving since the beginning of the year. Its only 2 to 1.

Yeah, you can keep using that argument while bluray continues to win.

The fact is, you're format is getting beat and tactics have not worked to change anything.

As I always say: Once HD-DVD wins a week, THEN we can talk. Until then, you're format is LOSING.

To win you have to WIN. You play the game to WIN, not to make the opponent's victory look less impressive. That isnt winning, its delusional losing.

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Spiza @ Nov 26th 2007 6:48PM

I jumped on Wal-Marts secret sale of getting 10 free blu-rays with a PS3. Actually, I got 3 of them and returned 2 (without returning the movies), so I got 35 movies + player for $500+tax. You can't tell me thats not a steal.

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Richard S. @ Nov 26th 2007 7:26PM

You're right. That's absolutely stealing. Way to stick it to the man. I wish more people could be like you and steal 35 movies so the studios will be forced to raise their prices and eventually go bankrupt. That would be the epitome of sweetness.

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Nfinity @ Nov 26th 2007 6:50PM

Ben will you freakin' moderate directly insulting comments to me or what? This is beyond ridiculous.. seriously.. you delete my posts but you keep posts where Blu-Ray bots are calling me idiot, dumb etc etc.. It has been reported numerous times.. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.. or please DO NOT DELETE MY POSTS..

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EEL @ Nov 27th 2007 1:56AM

@ Nfinity

You are obviously having a bad day, man. You normally aren't this frazzled by the BD trolls. Consider this: h4Idol, HDpurist and Ben D. are all probably the same person, which is why I have resorted to calling her/him/it "Sybil". "Sybil" refuses meds (which is understandable). But to be honest, I believe "Sybil" (and possibly others) are just trying their damnedest to recreate the same legal issues as the AVS Forum just went through.
Remember this: http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/07/format-war-gets-more-warlike/

Anyway, I can understand that "Sybil" is truly only trying to drum up traffic for this website which is cool with me. But I'm sure you can agree they are going about this the wrong way. Furthermore, I think "Sybil" hasn't properly considered the legal ramifications if something physical happened to any of us.

Besides, we're both sane individuals. With "friends" like these, why go Blu?

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Phoenixxx1974 @ Nov 26th 2007 7:56PM

oh shut up you close minded idiot. Blu-ray is NOT winning no one is. Plus just because you sell more because you have 10 times more players does not mean you win. Look at the ratio? How is that winning?

Plus you did not answer the question of if blu-ray is so special with twice the space, better bandwidth, and being superior product how have they not won already? Why don't they have a much bigger lead?

If HD-DVD wins a week then blu-ray is in danger of dieing out. It's surprising they are doing this good against the might of the PS3, Disney, and Fox. Only 2:1 with 10 TIMES LESS players come on do the math if you know how. To be this close is amazing.

You know everything i said was true you are just trying to spin it to make it seem like you are right when you aren't.

fine tell me what is so wrong with HD-DVD? I want a VALID well thought out list of reasons same for why you love blu-ray and sont so much.

Why defend blu-ray and Sony seeing how blu-ray is not even finished, and why defend Sony they need to be kicked in the ass for their constant annoying arrogance. They don't give a shit about you or any of their fans and their customer service and constant retarded quotes prove that. I want HD-DVD to win because i DO NOT want Sony to be in charge of a format with their illegal rootkits, DRM, etc... They need to be humbled and go back to the way they were in the 80's when owning a Sony product was a status symbol. Now all i hear is sony products crashing and failing and they are a joke now.

HD-DVD sounds much better and right to the point and should be the successor to DVD and was supposed to be until SOoy's constant power hungry need to own a format to fuel their massive ego.

I don't want a arrogant company to have any more power to fuel that ego that has gotten way too big.

I await your reasons.

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EJNelly @ Nov 26th 2007 7:59PM

Let's look a bit farther out, here are the top 10 at the box office:

Enchanted - Blu-Ray
This Christmas - Blu_Ray
Beowulf - HD DVD
Hitman - Blu-Ray
Bee Movie - HD DVD
Fred Claus - Nuetral
August Rush - Nuetral
American Gangster - HD DVD
The Mist - Nuetral
No Country for Old Men - HD DVD

4 HD DVD Studios, 3 Blu-Ray Studios, 3 Nuetral Studios

At theatres in december:

The Golden Compass - Blu-Ray
Atonement - HD DVD
Grace Is Gone - Nuetral
The Ametuers - ?
I Am Legend - Nuetral
Juno - Blu-Ray
The Kite Runner - HD DVD
The Perfect Holiday - ?
Alvin and the Chipmunks - Blu-Ray
Youth Without Youth - Blu-Ray
National Treasure: Book of Secrets - Blu-Ray
Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story - Blu-Ray
P.S. I Love You - Nuetral
Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barbaer of Fleet Street - HD DVD
Flakes - ?
The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep - Blu-Ray
The Bucket List - Nuetral
Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem - Blu-Ray
The Orphanage - ?
Charlie Wilson's War - HD DVD
Persepolis - Blu-Ray
The Great Debaters - Blu-Ray
Cassandra's Dream - Nuetral
There Will Be Blood - HD DVD

10 Blu-Ray Studios, 5 HD DVD Studios, 5 Nuetral, 4 I'm not sure about

May-July Releases, thus far
Iron Man - HD DVD
Made of Honor - Blu-Ray
Son of Rambow - HD DVD
Speed Racer - Nuetral
The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - Blu-Ray
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - HD DVD
Forgetting Sarah Marshall - HD DVD
Starship Dave - Blu-Ray
The Incredible Hulk - HD DVD
Get Smart - Nuetral
The Love Guru - HD DVD
The Dark Knight - Nuetral
Momma Mia! - HD DVD

If this was the final list of releases for May-July it would stand at 7 HD DVD, 3 Blu-Ray, 3 Nuetral

Like a virgin, blu may have blew it's load a little too soon. The way I see it, Blu needs to end things quick to prevent HD DVD from taking over. Of course if this silly format war continues I see both formats dying and Kane and Lynch (Apple and Microsoft) running off with the loot (down loadable content).

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