So are these numbers "sold to consumers" or "sold to stores," because there's a HUGE difference between the two. I know Sony played the "We shipped 40 billion PS3s!" but ignored the fact that 39.99 billion of them didn't sell. Is this similar?
Since most stores have a larger BD section than HD DVD section, I would expect the number of disks sold to stores to be higher.
Just curious as I haven't really paid attention to these numbers.
"So are these numbers "sold to consumers" or "sold to stores," because there's a HUGE difference between the two. I know Sony played the "We shipped 40 billion PS3s!" but ignored the fact that 39.99 billion of them didn't sell. Is this similar?"
Nope. Nielsen only counts point-of-sale numbers, in other words, it's only "at the register". There's several lists of where they get their numbers, which includes just about every big-box store and department store, including Best Buy, Circuit City, Sears, Albertson's, and a whole bunch of others. The only notable store missing is Wal-mart. Before HD DVD fanboys attempt to scream "that's the whole market!", it's not. Best Buy is currently the leader, with Amazon and Circuit City both in the top 5 along with Wal-mart. Which brings us to...
"Nielson doesn't take account of on-line sales, does it?"
Nice try, but completely false. Among the online sales counted by Nielsen is Amazon.com, BestBuy.com, CircuitCity.com, Borders.com, and a host of others.
"If you look there's an interesting correlation between Nielson and DVD Empire with a 2 week lag."
Nope. This theory was disproven multiple times over at AVS. There is no correlation between Amazon, DVD Empire, and/or Nielsen.
"No matter what the Blu-ray cheer-leaders say HD DVD is doing very nicely with a hell of a lot less players out there than Blu-ray."
Wrong again. The number of standalone players is roughly equal.
"IIRC it's between 10 - 20 times the number of Blu-ray capable players that Blu-ray has over HD DVD and yet they are only holding a 60:40 lead?"
Yet more FUD that has been disproven time and again. At this point, the Blu-ray/HD DVD *capable* ratio is at best, 4:1. Using the calculations from the studios themselves, the "player" number is actually almost dead even.
"Must be those appalling Blu-ray attachment rates."
Again, put down the kool-aid. The "attach rate" myth is hardly used by the HD DVD faithful anymore.
"The end is coming when the $149 HD DVD players hit this X-mas (and the $100 HD DVD players hit in Easter) & take off in the mass-market."
Sorry to burst your bubble (actually, I'm not), but the $150 holiday season and $100 Easter players just aren't going to happen. You *might* hit $200, but only on last-generation fire sales.
"Blu-ray just can't compete on price & they have less available and exclusive movie content."
Huh? They're competing on price already, considering that standalone sales are pretty much even. To reverse your own argument on you, even if Blu-ray players cost twice as much, they should be selling half as well. Actual sales figures show that's not happening. As for available content, there's multiple points of evidence that show that, even with Paramount as an exclusive, both neutral and exclusive Blu-ray studios have a large availability advantage over HD DVD, especially the exclusive studios.
"It's going to be mainly a PS3 proprietary format as UMD is to PSP."
Already disproven, but I guess you just needed an exclamation point to how off-base and false the rest of your post was.
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Xyzzy @ Oct 19th 2007 1:18PM
So are these numbers "sold to consumers" or "sold to stores," because there's a HUGE difference between the two. I know Sony played the "We shipped 40 billion PS3s!" but ignored the fact that 39.99 billion of them didn't sell. Is this similar?
Since most stores have a larger BD section than HD DVD section, I would expect the number of disks sold to stores to be higher.
Just curious as I haven't really paid attention to these numbers.
Jay @ Oct 19th 2007 2:29PM
"So are these numbers "sold to consumers" or "sold to stores," because there's a HUGE difference between the two. I know Sony played the "We shipped 40 billion PS3s!" but ignored the fact that 39.99 billion of them didn't sell. Is this similar?"
Nope. Nielsen only counts point-of-sale numbers, in other words, it's only "at the register". There's several lists of where they get their numbers, which includes just about every big-box store and department store, including Best Buy, Circuit City, Sears, Albertson's, and a whole bunch of others. The only notable store missing is Wal-mart. Before HD DVD fanboys attempt to scream "that's the whole market!", it's not. Best Buy is currently the leader, with Amazon and Circuit City both in the top 5 along with Wal-mart. Which brings us to...
"Nielson doesn't take account of on-line sales, does it?"
Nice try, but completely false. Among the online sales counted by Nielsen is Amazon.com, BestBuy.com, CircuitCity.com, Borders.com, and a host of others.
"If you look there's an interesting correlation between Nielson and DVD Empire with a 2 week lag."
Nope. This theory was disproven multiple times over at AVS. There is no correlation between Amazon, DVD Empire, and/or Nielsen.
"No matter what the Blu-ray cheer-leaders say HD DVD is doing very nicely with a hell of a lot less players out there than Blu-ray."
Wrong again. The number of standalone players is roughly equal.
"IIRC it's between 10 - 20 times the number of Blu-ray capable players that Blu-ray has over HD DVD and yet they are only holding a 60:40 lead?"
Yet more FUD that has been disproven time and again. At this point, the Blu-ray/HD DVD *capable* ratio is at best, 4:1. Using the calculations from the studios themselves, the "player" number is actually almost dead even.
"Must be those appalling Blu-ray attachment rates."
Again, put down the kool-aid. The "attach rate" myth is hardly used by the HD DVD faithful anymore.
"The end is coming when the $149 HD DVD players hit this X-mas (and the $100 HD DVD players hit in Easter) & take off in the mass-market."
Sorry to burst your bubble (actually, I'm not), but the $150 holiday season and $100 Easter players just aren't going to happen. You *might* hit $200, but only on last-generation fire sales.
"Blu-ray just can't compete on price & they have less available and exclusive movie content."
Huh? They're competing on price already, considering that standalone sales are pretty much even. To reverse your own argument on you, even if Blu-ray players cost twice as much, they should be selling half as well. Actual sales figures show that's not happening. As for available content, there's multiple points of evidence that show that, even with Paramount as an exclusive, both neutral and exclusive Blu-ray studios have a large availability advantage over HD DVD, especially the exclusive studios.
"It's going to be mainly a PS3 proprietary format as UMD is to PSP."
Already disproven, but I guess you just needed an exclamation point to how off-base and false the rest of your post was.