http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/ Engadget HD Comments for Nielsen VideoScan High-Def market share for week ending October 14th, 2007 http://www.engadgethd.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgethd.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/Oct 19th 2007 11:56AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
Why do you expect that? I don't. I fully expect that 2-for-1 on 40 titles will outsell 1 new title, no matter what. PS3 fanbois are nothing if not thrifty.

So, what I hear is someone working themselves up for premeditated disappointment. I expect severe "shock" on EHD's part when next week's numbers come in favoring blu.]]>Oct 19th 2007 11:56AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
Just checking..]]>Oct 19th 2007 1:18PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Features/hidef_wars.asp?view=1
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No need to respond, I'm just being a smart alec.]]>Oct 19th 2007 12:53PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
Since most stores have a larger BD section than HD DVD section, I would expect the number of disks sold to stores to be higher.

Just curious as I haven't really paid attention to these numbers.]]>Oct 19th 2007 1:18PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
Nope. Nielsen only counts point-of-sale numbers, in other words, it's only "at the register". There's several lists of where they get their numbers, which includes just about every big-box store and department store, including Best Buy, Circuit City, Sears, Albertson's, and a whole bunch of others. The only notable store missing is Wal-mart. Before HD DVD fanboys attempt to scream "that's the whole market!", it's not. Best Buy is currently the leader, with Amazon and Circuit City both in the top 5 along with Wal-mart. Which brings us to...

"Nielson doesn't take account of on-line sales, does it?"

Nice try, but completely false. Among the online sales counted by Nielsen is Amazon.com, BestBuy.com, CircuitCity.com, Borders.com, and a host of others.

"If you look there's an interesting correlation between Nielson and DVD Empire with a 2 week lag."

Nope. This theory was disproven multiple times over at AVS. There is no correlation between Amazon, DVD Empire, and/or Nielsen.

"No matter what the Blu-ray cheer-leaders say HD DVD is doing very nicely with a hell of a lot less players out there than Blu-ray."

Wrong again. The number of standalone players is roughly equal.

"IIRC it's between 10 - 20 times the number of Blu-ray capable players that Blu-ray has over HD DVD and yet they are only holding a 60:40 lead?"

Yet more FUD that has been disproven time and again. At this point, the Blu-ray/HD DVD *capable* ratio is at best, 4:1. Using the calculations from the studios themselves, the "player" number is actually almost dead even.

"Must be those appalling Blu-ray attachment rates."

Again, put down the kool-aid. The "attach rate" myth is hardly used by the HD DVD faithful anymore.

"The end is coming when the $149 HD DVD players hit this X-mas (and the $100 HD DVD players hit in Easter) & take off in the mass-market."

Sorry to burst your bubble (actually, I'm not), but the $150 holiday season and $100 Easter players just aren't going to happen. You *might* hit $200, but only on last-generation fire sales.

"Blu-ray just can't compete on price & they have less available and exclusive movie content."

Huh? They're competing on price already, considering that standalone sales are pretty much even. To reverse your own argument on you, even if Blu-ray players cost twice as much, they should be selling half as well. Actual sales figures show that's not happening. As for available content, there's multiple points of evidence that show that, even with Paramount as an exclusive, both neutral and exclusive Blu-ray studios have a large availability advantage over HD DVD, especially the exclusive studios.

"It's going to be mainly a PS3 proprietary format as UMD is to PSP."

Already disproven, but I guess you just needed an exclamation point to how off-base and false the rest of your post was.]]>Oct 19th 2007 2:29PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
If you look there's an interesting correlation between Nielson and DVD Empire with a 2 week lag.

No matter what the Blu-ray cheer-leaders say HD DVD is doing very nicely with a hell of a lot less players out there than Blu-ray.

IIRC it's between 10 - 20 times the number of Blu-ray capable players that Blu-ray has over HD DVD and yet they are only holding a 60:40 lead?

Must be those appalling Blu-ray attachment rates.

I wouldn't be crowing about that, all it means is that it is all just a matter of time.

This is all over by the end of 2008.
The end is coming when the $149 HD DVD players hit this X-mas (and the $100 HD DVD players hit in Easter) & take off in the mass-market.
As people renew their 'ordinary' DVD players they'll just switch over to a nice DVD player that also happens to play HD DVD.

Blu-ray just can't compete on price & they have less available and exclusive movie content.

It's going to be mainly a PS3 proprietary format as UMD is to PSP.]]>Oct 19th 2007 1:39PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
Take that Universal and Paramount. You stupid shits.

Don't fuck with Playstation Nation...bi-othces!]]>Oct 19th 2007 1:40PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
http://charts.highdefdigest.com/rank.aspx]]>Oct 19th 2007 1:42PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/Oct 19th 2007 10:11PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
And the best they can manage is 60:40 so far?!

No wonder Viacom/Paramount dumped Blu-ray.

$149 HD DVD players this X-mas and $100 to follow by Easter.

The end is coming for Blu-ray in this little 'war'.....expect big news in Jan 08.
It won't be good for Blu.]]>Oct 19th 2007 1:46PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
I do believe they will sell a lot of standalone HD-DVD's this holiday season but I also believe they will sell a ton of blu-ray discs for people that have a PS3 now, that didn't the last holiday season.]]>Oct 19th 2007 1:53PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
Like I said above, I don't know whose statistics you're using, because NPD, the HD DVD PRG and BDA all agree that the numbers are much much closer. It's actually dead even on standalones, and about 4 to 1 for *capable* players, although the studios admit that the "attach rate" actually puts it back to dead even again.

If you'd bothered to check this site (among others), there's a gazillion news items that state all of this. It just makes you look foolish to pull BS from nowhere.]]>Oct 19th 2007 2:02PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
Even if next week lets say 55% Blu-Ray, 45 % HD-DVD with Transformers, it is not going to really change the yearly figures or the since inception.

And with the PS3 price drop as well as Blu-Ray starting their Holiday marketing push, I don't really see how HD-DVD can recover.

The only way I can see HD-DVD actually "winning" this war, is if they get Warner Exclusively like they did Paramount, but I don't think Blu-Ray would be foolish enough for that to happen.

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http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Gaming/Console/P4G5C3U2?page=1]]>Oct 19th 2007 1:58PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/Oct 19th 2007 2:00PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/Oct 19th 2007 10:17PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/Oct 19th 2007 2:24PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
You should spend less time trying to put yourself on a pedestal, and a little more time in an economics class. Half your answers to his whatever-you-call-them were just rhetorical "Nah-uhs". You people are driving me crazy.]]>Oct 19th 2007 2:04PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/Oct 19th 2007 2:30PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/Oct 19th 2007 2:43PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
I say this due to lack of supporting documents and links for the claims. All I really see are comments repeated over and over like; the claim is wrong, false, FUD, etc..., but where is the proof?]]>Oct 19th 2007 3:08PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Gaming/Console/P4G5C3U2?page=1

If Microsoft does indeed, create a new version of the 360 to include an HD-DVD drive, then that'll be the nail in the coffin...

Blu-Ray has had so much success because of the failure of the PS3 as a gaming platform, which turned into success in terms of getting it's buyers to buy movies.

Right now the 360 is still demolishing the PS3 in console sales, and if they were to create an HD-DVD version of the 360, we can say "bye bye" to the format war.

Although i still think that with the coming holiday season, coupled with the low price of HD-DVD players, HD-DVD will still eventually come out ahead, as long as it maintains it's studio support.
But an HD-DVD version of the Xbox360, is a sure-fire way to win...]]>Oct 19th 2007 4:08PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
I don't know.. I'd like to think the same thing, but I think it's too late for that.. This is something MS should have done from the start. There probably wouldn't be a format war going on right now had a HD-DVD drive been included originally. On the other hand had they done that they probably couldn't have done it at a reasonable price.]]>Oct 19th 2007 5:08PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
EngadgetHD only allows 3 links, but below are a bunch of supporting documents, for the standalone claims, for the online sales claims, and whatever else people want to claim is just "nuh-uh". I can safely assume that those who are posting falsehoods like "20:1 standalone ratio" or "sales don't count online/Amazon" have no evidence, because there isn't any to support them.

Search Engadget HD for:
Best Buy tops retailers in packaged HD media sales
Sony says standalone Blu-ray players are outselling HD DVD players
HD DVD standalone players sales are back on top
NPD Group reports on HD disc format adoption

http://www.centerforsocialmedia.org/documents/docurama_whitepaper.pdf
"Nielsen Video Scan (these numbers, while they include traditional on-line retailers such as Amazon, also include Specialty Mass Merchants including Costco, Best Buy, Circuit City. A significant portion of these sales, however, also encompass online – ie. Costco.com, BestBuy.com, etc…)"

http://www.people.hbs.edu/aelberse/papers/hbs_07-015.pdf
"Data Source: Nielsen VideoScan

In our empirical analysis, we study home video market in the period from 2000 to 2005. Our data come from Nielsen VideoScan, a leading provider of information on video sales. Nielsen VideoScan tracks weekly sales for video titles sold in the United States. Sales are split by DVD and VHS formats. They can also be broken down by channel: “discount mass stores” (e.g., Kmart, Shopko, and Target), “drug stores” (e.g., CVS, Rite Aid, and Walgreens), “grocery stores” (e.g., Abertson’s, Pathmark, and Safeway), “specialty retail” (e.g., Blockbuster, Hollywood Entertainment, and Suncoast), and “other mass stores,” which covers both offline (e.g., Best Buy, Circuit City, and Costco) and online stores (e.g., Amazon.com, and Borders.com)."]]>Oct 19th 2007 4:34PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/Oct 19th 2007 4:46PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/Oct 19th 2007 5:53PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
I would have to disagree with that. Transformers is doing great for itself at number one at multiple stores/online sites, but the margin of numbers just within this week of the Blu-ray BOGO, is outstanding, just amazon numbers alone show they're staying within the top 50 majority.]]>Oct 19th 2007 6:48PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
So like I said between 10 - 20 times the number of Blu-ray capable players to HD DVD.

(and BTW that Sony survey of 2 stores in Chicago where they turned out that 'neck and neck' stand-alone stat is pure BS)]]>Oct 19th 2007 7:00PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
The Toshiba HD A2 is already at Walmart @ $198 right now.]]>Oct 19th 2007 8:52PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/Oct 20th 2007 12:25AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/Oct 20th 2007 2:33AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
LMAO oh that's a good one, hilarious.....even funnier, maybe you even believe it yourself?!

You Blu-boys really love to kid yourselves.

Don't you ever get tired being lied to about - oh, let's see there are so many, here's a few real rib-ticklers.....

- how 'it's all over' (claimed at regular intervals since Dec2006)?

- how 'Microsoft are going to bring out a Blu-ray add-on' any day now (claimed at regular intervals during 2007)?

- how 'Warner are going to go Blu-ray exclusive' at any second (claimed constantly since Viacom/Paramouint dumped Blu-ray)?

- how 'Universal are going format neutral' at any moment (claimed since Jan 2007 by a host of supposedly 'informed' Blu-ray insiders')

- how 'there will never be a $200 HD DVD player' (see above some still want to cling to this one despite it now being reality)

- how the 'inexpensive Chinese HD DVD players are a myth'.

- how 'China's CH-DVD are so different that they will mean nothing to HD DVD' (when they are identical except for a badge on the case & a firmware)

- how 'Blu-ray has the most movie content' when in fact HD DVD has the most available and exclusive movie content.]]>Oct 20th 2007 9:55AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
If hd-dvd doesn't take the neilsen's next week it will be priceless. ]]>Oct 20th 2007 10:36AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/LMAO oh that's a good one, hilarious.....even >funnier, maybe you even believe it yourself?!

If it's so hilarious why did you feel the need to justify it with a response? Oh, because what I said was true. Since inception Blu-Ray has trounced HD-DVD, and even the last few weeks when the biggest releases were HD-DVD exclusives the red team still has not caught up. The hilarious part is that you have no answer for that. So explain to me how a 2-1 lead that has shown NO signs of narrowing despite all these facts:

1. There's no sign of a Blu-Ray add on for X-Box
2. There's now a sub $200 HD-DVD player on the market
3. Warner is still neutral, and Universal is still HD-DVD only
4. Paramount decided to go HD-DVD exclusive

For god's sake, everything you red fans have been saying needed to happen HD-DVD to win is happening and it STILL hasn't narrowed the lead, and that's why you responded. So who's the one telling the lies?]]>Oct 20th 2007 1:04PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
I have seen plenty of Blu-ray ones during the course of this so far and plenty of delusional claims about what's 'gonna' happen.

The plain truth is that with the market (everywhere in the world) so minute the sweeping claims the Blu side keep making are laughable.

Blu-ray took a ride on the back of a console always bound to sell multi-millions (even if it did bomb in it's own market).
That's all that has happened.
Without PS3 Blu-ray died and was buried long ago.

The single most important fact in all of this is that with a very significant lead in players Blu-ray still only has a 60:40 lead.

It's only a matter of time.
HD DVD standalones continue to see very nicely and we'll be seeing soon enough the impact of the very inexpensive HD DVD players.

Enjoy it while it lasts Blu-fans cos it isn't for lasting much longer.

]]>Oct 20th 2007 1:51PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/"Enjoy it while it lasts Blu-fans cos it isn't for lasting much longer."

Keep dreaming.. ]]>Oct 21st 2007 1:23AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/Oct 20th 2007 4:22PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/19/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-october/
1. Sony has time and time again shown that they have no respect for their customers. Rootkit, suing single mothers for 225,000, F-Secure, monopoly wanna be, etc.

2. Forcing your format onto people by way of studio exclusivity is WRONG, not matter how you slice it. Paramount went HD-DVD? I don't support that but it was probably more of a move to protect HD-DVD from being destroyed... BD people have always and still had great pride in this (I would really like to know who started the exclusivity games) and please tell me, how is having "Pirates Series" suppose to show that you are the technologically superior format? By technology, I include price into this as well...

3. HD-DVD has less DRM, where this issue has a dear spot in my heart with the digital age coming down hard onto our privacy and fair use.

4. Sony is coming was too close on controlling too much of the movie distribution market. Imagine if the legislative branch also decided on 25%-33% of the rulings in our courts...

Am I a sony hater? absolutely. Does it affect my decision on BD? absolutely. Is this wrong? Definetly not. Which format "we" choose as consumers should send a message to companies that we will not be bullied into picking something, which seems to be the strategy of sony.

If BD wins... I will have a hard time adopting the format and simply might join the download bandwagon. I think this might also be the case of many HD-DVD fans. What about the Regular Joe? Only time will tell...]]>Oct 22nd 2007 11:48AM