http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/ Engadget HD Comments for Bungie picks PQ over resolution for Halo 3 http://www.engadgethd.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgethd.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
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Our games suck but they are true 1080p.]]>Oct 9th 2007 1:49PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
Both the 360 and PS3 make excellent upscaling to 1080p though.]]>Oct 9th 2007 3:51PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 10th 2007 4:35AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 10th 2007 6:20AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
P.S. Halo 3 has been out for exactly 2 weeks now.]]>Oct 9th 2007 12:28PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
Yeah and it would run at 15fps.]]>Oct 9th 2007 12:42PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 9th 2007 12:44PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 9th 2007 12:50PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
For comparison: 480p gives 37.5% the pixels of 720p, and 720p only gives 44.4% of the pixelx of 1080p (although twice as fast FPS-wise, assuming the game is running at a full 60 and 30fps respectively).

Personally, I think the 640p is close enough to HD. People need to chill out. How many people would have known at all if no one told them?
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Very true, not to mention at full speed. Its a pity that xbox 360 has already reach its ceiling at processing power with Halo 3! Only 2 years in the making also.

]]>Oct 9th 2007 12:56PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 9th 2007 2:29PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
Still, I also know that not all PS3 games are HD--and so in my prior post, I was merely trying to educate the ignorant.]]>Oct 9th 2007 3:42PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 9th 2007 1:09PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Bottom line: the picture quality for H3 rocks. This game is a work of art. At no time did that lack 80 lines detract from anything. The immersive experience is as strong for this game than any other you can point to.

If some nerds out there are so anal retentive that they need to nitpick marginal resolution adjustments, they are obviously are not *playing* the game, but only *watching* it and, therefore, have missed the whole point.

If Halo 3's 1152x640 image is not immersive enough of an environment for them, something tells me they're are trying too hard to escape the grim reality of their real lives (living in their mother's basement) by looking for a holodeck to occupy themselves. My advice to them is to get a job, move out, get married, make babies, get a life and stop crying about whether or not Halo 3 is or is not real HD.
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Bioshock > Halo 3 Campaign ]]>Oct 9th 2007 1:24PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 9th 2007 1:16PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
"To ensure that the next generation delivers, every game is built on what we call Essentials, a foundation of requirements every game must have before it can ship on the Xbox 360 platform. These essentials include a minimum of 720p high definition resolution to provide gamers with jaw-dropping visual clarity and fidelity. Many developers are already working on games in 1080i."

"In addition, Xbox 360 games will provide anti-aliasing that gets rid of what we call the jaggies. Well, you know what, with Xbox 360, the age of the jaggies is over, superseded by smooth, lifelike visuals of cinematic quality."

I've beat Halo 3 a couple of times already (achievements, what can I say?) and there are a bunch of jaggies all over the place. Also, is the Xbox 360's hardware already being pushed to the limit that developers are having to sacrifice resolution for other effects?


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Great ammo for PS3 fanboys though to justify their console that has so few decent games.]]>Oct 9th 2007 1:37PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
...Just me? OK, fine you win.]]>Oct 9th 2007 1:38PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/It's called "Porting", thats why PS3 isn't capitalizing on "technologically superior" in this case.]]>Oct 9th 2007 1:41PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
It's not either 720P, 1080i or 1080P, which means it's not "true" HD.

The system has an upscaler, so I'm sure it was UPSCALED to 720p or even 1080i. ]]>Oct 9th 2007 1:46PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/I had just about finished the campaign by the time people "discovered" Halo's resolution, and I didn't actually notice the jaggies until I looked for them. And I'm playing on a 56" 1080p DLP set, so picture flaws are pretty noticable. Here's the other thing that never gets pointed out -- while some objects suffer from the jaggies (the most noticable being the weapon you're holding, unfortunately), anything that uses both frame buffers to take advantage of the HDR looks clean and smooth, with no apparent jaggies. Take a look at the "God rays" in the first level, or pause a saved film and fly around plasma bolts or sparks. This is where the dual frame buffer really kicks in -- you won't see any evidence of jaggies or "missing lines" when you look at these things. So, it's not really fair to say that it only runs at 1152x640, since it's not really that simple. As a bonus, the ANA scaler really does a great job of up-converting the graphics, so you only see the flaws if you look for them.]]>Oct 9th 2007 1:52PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
The contrast ratio of halo3 is unchanged due to the buffer use. You are referring to HDR lighting effects, which are pretty.

Dan,

I haven't seen any review that describes halo3 as a work of art. I have seen plenty that call it an exceptionally crafted game.

All,

The important thing to note in this is that to achieve the HDR look and solid frame rate of Halo3 Bungie had to give up many of the 'next gen' features of the 360 hardware. ATI did several very smart things in the design of the GPU for the xbox360. Among them they give good motion rendition,frame rate, and anti-aliasing.
The lighting model that Halo uses sacrifices the "free" anti-aliasing features of the 360 platform.

It looks like the xbox360 has already hit a fairly important graphical wall. I suspect that you may see more 30 fps games on the 360 like gears of war because the 360 has simply run out of bandwidth to provide the graphical effects that people expect now, such as motion blur, full frame anti-aliasing, 30+ fps and high dynamic range lighting.

Nintendo may have had it right. The processing may not have been there to do all of this in HD resolution. Sony hasn't shown that this can be done yet either. A nicely upscaled SD image with all of the rendering goodies will look better than raw resolution.]]>Oct 9th 2007 1:53PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
But it looks good for what you paid for I guess... :P

Maybe they'll be another SE version with a different SKU thats 720/1080i/p HA!]]>Oct 9th 2007 2:35PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 9th 2007 2:29PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
And the sale would have NOTHING to do with Christmas :devil:

Man I want to play.]]>Oct 9th 2007 3:14PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
There are jaggies in this game. It's very obviously upscaled. It also has a few slowdowns, but only 1 or 2 in the whole *cough* campaign.

Overall, I was VERY DISAPPOINTED and upset with H3.

-Pie]]>Oct 9th 2007 3:19PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/On PS3 scalled games
540p - The Darkness (960x540) !!!
600p - Tony Hawk's Proving Ground, Call Of Duty 3

Ninja gaiden Sigma 1280x720 (not 1080p game - software 2x scaller to 1080 from 960x720 - 1080p is more blurred than 720p!)

GTHD use 1440x1080
Rub'a'dub use 1600x1080
Stardust HD use 1280x1080

and more - mostly software scaling to 1080i (R6:Vegas - bad and blurry

the worst part about this generation of gaming is that people only care about the graphics if the game is fun then who the f**k cares]]>Oct 9th 2007 3:24PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 9th 2007 3:34PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 9th 2007 9:55PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
the PS3 has NUMEROUS games as mentioned by other posters that are at a lower resolution than Halo 3. Visually, Halo 3 blows any PS3 game out of the water as far as pure picture quality goes. So stop the whining, and find a better angle to bash the 360, im sorry you wasted your $400-$500 on a sh!t gaming machine. (great movie player, but shitty gaming machine, facts are facts... lol).
The majority of Blu-Ray fanboys are just PS3 owners who realized there was a serious lack of quality games for their new console.]]>Oct 10th 2007 12:28AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/READ THIS ARTICLE, THEN WE CAN GET ON WITH A REAL DEBATE!
http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm]]>Oct 10th 2007 4:48AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 10th 2007 7:37PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
I do have to say though that Halo 3's campaign sucks big time.

As to Havok Vs Unreal engine I'm not sure. BioShock does look slightly better than Halo 3 from my brief play on it (BioShock that is) but then everything in BioShock is indoors. I have seen some mistakes in Halo 3 like a Pelican going through rock.


Halo 3 - Finish the hype.]]>Oct 10th 2007 6:44AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 10th 2007 9:44AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
It seems as if bungie decided to remove some of the reso. because of the xbox's limit in power.

Like many have said before it still looks good.

As I preceive things, I thought the PS3 was the muscle this console war. So it can handle stuff like that?

]]>Oct 10th 2007 10:08AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/Oct 13th 2007 5:53PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
With a console that upscales and outputs to 720p, 1080i and 1080p, the marketing folks will never allow Halo 3 or PGR3 out without HD branding of some kind and kindly omitting true resolutions, etc. at the same time. Whatever: that’s THE game.

What I personally don't understand is how all kind of things get leaked to the internet during game development, numerous developer interviews are released, betas and demos played, etc., etc. but little (read "f'ing huge") things like Bungie choosing 640p for better PQ and 2K choosing to use a weird way to handle 16:9 on a console destine for widescreen displays with BioShock don't. How do these things get overlooked and/or undiscovered until AFTER release? How convenient!]]>Oct 10th 2007 7:21PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=554]]>Oct 11th 2007 8:01AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/09/bungie-picks-pq-over-resolution-for-halo-3/
What you do not notice is a slower framerate, and that is ultimately what is going to keep the game fun. Yeah Call of Duty 4 looks better, but it's also upscaled.

Bottom line, H3 probably could look a bit better if it was written on a newer engine (equivalent framerate at slightly higer resolution), but then again the game might not even be released yet if it were.

Don't dwell on it, and if you really must, go buy a dual core pc and 8800gt and you'll see how medicore both gaming platforms look compared to a new pc.

Although not as fun as H3, check out Unreal Tournament 3, absolutely gorgeous, running it at 1920x120(1080p=1920x1080) and 60fps. ]]>Jan 5th 2008 4:37AM