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-dad ]]>Sep 18th 2007 12:45PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/Sep 18th 2007 1:00PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/
This is a format advancement made by 2 companies that are not Sony. While Toshiba and MS make all of the technology on the HD-DVD side, BD is a true non-monopolistic group.

This is likely to be important to BD disks as early recordable DVDs were. If you remember not all DVD players could read dvd-r or rw disks but they got that ability over time. This is a data only development first I see it implemented in computer drives.

When this feature comes to standalone players it will be great for student filmmakers and home movies. Anything that reduces the price of blank media will benefit people who make their own content.




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Meanwhile HD-DVD is... Toshiba, M$, Integra (so, presumably Onkyo), and some upcoming no-name Chinese players (maybe yes, maybe no?) - but for all extensive purposes, your only hardware option for HD-DVD is Toshiba, because only Toshiba is willing to sell them so cheaply to gain market share (classic example of "loss leader" business strategy). Just look at the new Integra player - a very solid, very high quality player to be sure, and it's, what 1100 bucks? I bet an Onkyo HD-DVD player will be around $600-700, whenever it's released.

And, FWIW, I can't confirm the accuracy of it, but I recall reading that Toshiba was initially part of the BDA as well... until they decided to break off and start this whole format-war debacle. I feel that the two formats have their own merits, and that BD has evolved more slowly than people want towards it's expected "profiles," but I think it's hard to argue that BD isn't inherently better technology than HD-DVD... and, while that may not be NEEDED now, why wouldn't you WANT the better tech, if cost is essentially the same?

I currently have one high-def player, and it is Blu-ray (PS3, if you're curious). Time will tell if I have to purchase a second, but I see no point in spending $$$ on HD-DVD until BD is obviously on it's deathbed - if that even is how things shake out, which I think may be unlikely.]]>Sep 18th 2007 2:40PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha, good one Joe, I always like bloggers with a huge sense of humor.]]>Sep 18th 2007 7:01PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha, good one Joe, I always like bloggers with a huge sense of humor.]]>Sep 18th 2007 7:02PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/
ROFL LMFAO....That just made my day. Wow...You really have no idea about economics...LOL. Also HD DVD is backed by Intel. So since Blu-ray has more companies, that makes it not a monopolisitc group. Please stop before you talk about something you obviously don't know alot about. I have both formats and that is just blind fanboyism ideology you stated.]]>Sep 18th 2007 4:31PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/For the record I have: Toshiba HD-A2(1080i/60) and PS3(1080p/24)

-dad]]>Sep 18th 2007 4:34PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/While BD is awaiting profile updates, for video bandwidth, lens aperture, and capacity... what's better? Disregarding HD-DVD's PiP/Interactivity, the nitty-gritty of movie is the lowest common denominator in producting HD content on some form of media. Cheapest clearly does not mean "best" either. Don't get me wrong, HD-DVD puts out an awesome picture, but the polls show, even on amazon.com that majority of people care about the movie, the Interactivity is secondary. HD-DVD fans tend to boast too much in favor of these features and forget about the movie HD experience in its own.

Killer:
Although I will not take a good laugh away from anyone, the statement is somewhat true. There are expanding companies (more of them) taking advantage of the BD hardware and media.

But enough about this, totally off topic and I got tangled into the political mess. Great article, exciting for BD supporters, any mention of HD-DVD is irrelevant (unless these companies mentioned above were making mediums for toshiba as well)]]>Sep 18th 2007 4:48PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/
As I said many time, within 5 years, optical media is GONE except for movies at fixed sizes like 30gb or 50gb. Why in the hell will anyone buy recordable optical media any more when you get cheap gigabytes of infinitely rewritable USB/ethernet devices that just plug into any device and sync.

The reason why CE companies are pushing recordable media is because most people are idiots and don't understand that this allows corporations to sell many devices + media thus making more money instead of just selling one very compact and fast terabyte hard drive or similar device.

I'm just amazed with complete idiotism that some people express.

So Blu-Ray is showing it's great potential by pushing us for another 10 years into burning optical media. Groovy!

Let me enlighten some the people here, AS CONSUMERS, we are better off with web based systems, online content streaming and flexible removable storage instead of burner/reader/media approach.
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When external devices get smaller and require less cords, and we have higher web transfer rates (keeping archives co-lo) as a general standard, optical media will die out, eventually... but for the time being, it's here to stay.]]>Sep 18th 2007 6:18PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/
Optical is supposed to be better for long-term archiving. Hard discs and flash memory both have limited useful life, I think NAND is rated to be able to store data for 10 years.


Also, the "core group" for the HD-DVD format is basically Toshiba & NEC. I wouldn't call them monopolistic though. Intel and Microsoft might be, but neither are really pushing HD-DVD right now. They got on board much later primarily for the Mandatory Managed Copy to help them sell media center computers & operating systems, but so far Madatory Managed Copy, or even Managed Copy at all, is still vaporware.]]>Sep 18th 2007 7:14PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/
Toshiba is the one with the monopoly on the current gen of DVD media.

Sony has done a better job of getting various groups together and allowing each to profit. I haven't seen much independent research on the HD-DVD front.

Optical media won't be dead until everyone can stream 1gb an hour into their homes reliably.

Until then there will be a need for physical media.

]]>Sep 18th 2007 7:27PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/if i want to pack up all the tv show epsides that i have downloaded on my computer, do you think i'm going to put them on flash drives? or store them on optical discs...lets think about this here...i can either buy 1 flash drive 8gb for 99 bucks, and back up 1 season of 24. or get a 2 back of bd-r25gb discs for 21 bucks...and back up all 6 seasons. it doesn't take much of a rocket scientist to figure out what is more feasible. i'm not shaking the crystal ball over here and saying they will be released, but what happens if there are multi layer blu ray discs which are hitting the streets w/ a 100, 150 and 200 gb capacity? thats HUGE.
and yes, prices of flash media have fallen astronomically over the past few years, but what...you think the prices of next gen recordable optical media wont? mind you, dvd-rs were semi expensive when they came out, now then can be had for less than 50 cents a diswc, DL for about a dollar a disc.
flash media will not be at the same price as optical media, by that i mean the "i'll burn you a copy, and you can throw away the disc when you're done" price point. even if it ever is, the sizes wont be anything to hoot about. ]]>Sep 18th 2007 8:00PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/18/pioneer-mitsubishi-develop-lth-bd-r-discs/There is no real point in getting into a discussion with nfinity.

In his world he is always right and can not understand why everyone else is so stupid. He doesn't resort to using facts or emphatic pleas to prove his case. If you disagree you are simply not worth his time.

If his assertions turn out to be false, it was a conspiracy that did him in, so he can't be held accountable.

If they turn out to be sort of false,lets say 15 years from now solid state media and net connections take over, he'll be just a little off in timing. Even though most people believe that solid state and net connections will take over at some point.

If he happens to be right on one of ten thing you will hear about that one thing every single time he brings something up.

There is simple no point in addressing what he says because none of it matters. He is stating fact from upon high, it is not to be discussed only accepted as truth.

"most people are idiots and don't understand"
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