CE-Oh no he didn't! Part XLII: BDA hints that 51GB HD DVD is a publicity stunt
Not long after we got wind of Sony and Toshiba's latest cat-fight, along comes Frank Simonis, chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association, to stir the ever-whirling pot even more. In a recent interview with Tech.co.uk, Mr. Simonis was said to have insinuated that "the HD DVD Group's BD-trumping 51GB disc announcement is purely a publicity stunt," and he actually noted that he was "not surprised at all." Additionally, he claimed that the HD DVD camp was "very much in a reactive mood," and added that he had "not heard anything about a production line for the odd format." Oh, and on the topic of whether existing HD DVD players would actually be able to read the newfangled discs should they actually appear, he frankly proclaimed that we "better ask them," as he "questions it very much."[Thanks, Dave J.]
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Eddie @ Sep 14th 2007 4:44PM
Look at that Champion!
Blah blah blah.
I think Blu Ray is sony's publicity stunt to finally successfully screw consumers with their countless and ridiculously proprietary formats.
So there.
bruckwine @ Sep 14th 2007 4:45PM
Paranoid is what he sounds like!
Kris @ Sep 14th 2007 4:47PM
Hahahahha, whats funny is his own 2 layer BD 50 is a publicity stunt, so rare to find a blu-ray title actually on a BD 50! Look at the newly announced Robocop on a BD 25 as MPEG2 codec, what a disgrace to their boasted "Superior format due to capacity." He is obviously scared to death for their half-baked format.
Sean @ Sep 14th 2007 4:46PM
LOL I was wondering when the BDA would say something about the HD-51. Thats funny. I mean, what can they really say!!! LOL You guys have no idea how funny this is :)
-dad
SimbaDogg @ Sep 14th 2007 5:13PM
you sir...are an idiot
took me less than 30 seconds to find this, sorry about the messy format...
The Sopranos - Season 6, Part 1 [Blu-ray] Warner 2006-12-19 9.5/10 VC-1 BD50 LPCM Yes $129.98
Nip/Tuck - The Complete Fourth Season [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-09-04 8.8/10 BD50 DD $79.98
GoodFellas [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-01-16 8.7/10 $ 46.8M VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.95
The Departed [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-02-13 8.6/10 $ 132.4M VC-1 BD50 LPCM Yes $38.95
The Lives of Others [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-08-21 8.5/10 $ 11.3M AVC BD50 LPCM $38.95
The Prestige [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-02-20 8.4/10 $ 53.1M AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit No $34.95
Letters from Iwo Jima [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-05-22 8.3/10 $ 13.8M VC-1 BD50 TrueHD Yes $34.95
Unforgiven (Blu-Ray) Warner 2006-10-31 8.2/10 $ 101.2M VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.99
300 [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-07-31 8.1/10 $ 210.6M VC-1 BD50 TrueHD LPCM $34.95
Casino Royale [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-03-13 8.1/10 $ 167.4M AVC BD50 LPCM No $38.95
Big Fish [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-03-20 8.0/10 $ 66.8M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM Yes $28.95
Blood Diamond [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-06-05 8.0/10 $ 57.4M VC-1 BD50 LPCM Yes $28.99
Finding Neverland [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-03-20 8.0/10 $ 51.7M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM 24bit Yes $34.95
Pirates of the Caribbean - The Curse of the Black Pearl [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-05-22 8.0/10 $ 305.4M AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit Yes $34.99
The Searchers (Blu-Ray) Warner 2006-10-31 8.0/10 VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.99
Mel Gibson's Apocalypto [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-05-22 7.9/10 $ 50.9M AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit Yes $39.95
Payback - Straight Up - The Director's Cut [Blu-ray] Paramount 2007-04-10 7.9/10 $ 81.5M MPEG2 BD50 DD Yes $29.99
Rio Bravo [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-06-05 7.9/10 VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.99
Stranger Than Fiction [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-02-27 7.9/10 $ 40.4M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM No $38.96
The Untouchables (Special Collector's Edition) [Blu-ray] Paramount 2007-07-03 7.9/10 $ 76.3M AVC BD50 DD DTS 6.1 Yes $29.95
The Dirty Dozen [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-04-17 7.8/10 VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.95
The Last Samurai [Blu-ray] Warner 2006-11-14 7.8/10 $ 111.1M VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.95
March of the Penguins [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-03-27 7.8/10 $ 77.4M VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.95
Volver [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-04-03 7.8/10 $ 12.9M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM No $38.95
Babel [Blu-ray] Paramount 2007-02-20 7.7/10 $ 34.3M MPEG2 BD50 DD Yes $39.99
The Fountain [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-05-15 7.7/10 $ 10.1M VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $34.95
The Pursuit of Happyness [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-03-27 7.7/10 $ 163.6M AVC BD50 LPCM No $38.95
Black Hawk Down [Blu-ray] Sony 2006-11-14 7.6/10 $ 108.6M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM Yes $28.95
Donnie Brasco (Extended Cut) [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-05-08 7.6/10 $ 41.9M AVC BD50 LPCM $28.95
Freedom Writers [Blu-ray] Paramount 2007-05-22 7.6/10 $ 36.6M AVC BD50 DD Yes $39.99
Hustle and Flow [Blu-ray] Paramount 2007-06-26 7.6/10 $ 22.2M AVC BD50 DD Yes $29.99
Rocky Balboa [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-03-20 7.6/10 $ 70.3M AVC BD50 LPCM No $38.95
Bridge to Terabithia [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-06-19 7.5/10 $ 82.3M AVC BD50 LPCM No $34.99
Bullitt [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-02-27 7.5/10 VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.95
The Lookout [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-08-14 7.5/10 $ 4.6M AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit $34.99
Closer [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-05-22 7.4/10 $ 34M AVC BD50 LPCM $28.95
The Descent (Original Unrated Cut) [Blu-ray] Lionsgate 2006-12-26 7.4/10 $ 26M AVC BD50 LPCM 6.1 Yes $39.99
Enter the Dragon [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-04-17 7.4/10 VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.95
The Getaway (1972) [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-02-27 7.4/10 VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.95
Layer Cake [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-03-13 7.4/10 $ 2.3M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM Yes $28.95
Pirates of the Caribbean - Dead Man's Chest [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-05-22 7.4/10 $ 423.3M AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit Yes $34.99
Remember the Titans [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-09-04 7.4/10 $ 115.7M AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit $34.95
The Warriors (The Ultimate Director's Cut) [Blu-ray] Paramount 2007-07-03 7.4/10 $ 22.5M AVC BD50 DD Yes $29.95
Chicago [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-01-23 7.3/10 $ 170.7M AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit Yes $34.95
Disturbia [Blu-ray] Paramount 2007-08-07 7.3/10 $ 80.1M AVC BD50 DTS $39.95
Flags of Our Fathers [Blu-ray] DreamWorks 2007-05-22 7.3/10 $ 33.6M AVC BD50 DD Yes $39.95
Identity [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-04-03 7.3/10 $ 52.2M AVC BD50 LPCM Yes $28.95
A Scanner Darkly [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-04-10 7.3/10 $ 5.5M VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.95
Superman - The Movie [Blu-ray] Warner 2006-11-28 7.3/10 $ 134.2M VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.99
Trading Places (Special Collector's Edition) [Blu-ray] Paramount 2007-06-05 7.3/10 $ 90.4M AVC BD50 DD Yes $29.95
Wings of Honneamise (Blu-ray/DVD) Bandai Visual 2007-09-11 7.3/10 $ 55.6k AVC BD50 TrueHD $79.99
The Fifth Element (Remastered) [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-07-17 7.2/10 $ 63.8M AVC BD50 LPCM TrueHD 20bit Yes $28.95
Shooter [Blu-ray] Paramount 2007-07-31 7.2/10 $ 47M MPEG2 BD50 DD $34.95
American Psycho [Blu-ray] Lionsgate 2007-02-06 7.1/10 $ 15.1M MPEG2 BD50 DTS-HD 6.1 No $29.99
The Cowboys [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-06-05 7.1/10 VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.99
Deja Vu [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-04-24 7.1/10 $ 64M VC-1 BD50 LPCM No $34.95
Enemy of the State [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2006-11-21 7.1/10 $ 111.5M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM No $34.99
Crank [Blu-ray] Lionsgate 2007-01-09 7.0/10 $ 27.8M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM 6.1 No $39.95
Curse of the Golden Flower [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-05-29 7.0/10 $ 6.6M AVC BD50 LPCM No $28.95
Kingdom of Heaven (Director's Cut) [Blu-ray] Fox 2006-11-14 7.0/10 $ 47.4M MPEG2 BD50 DTS-MA 24bit No $39.98
TMNT [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-08-07 7.0/10 $ 54.1M VC-1 BD50 TrueHD $34.95
Gridiron Gang [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-01-16 6.9/10 $ 38.4M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM $38.95
The Holiday (2006) [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-03-13 6.9/10 $ 63.2M AVC BD50 LPCM $38.96
Saw 2 [Blu-ray] Lionsgate 2007-01-23 6.9/10 $ 87M AVC BD50 DTS-HD Yes $39.95
Superman Returns [Blu-ray] Warner 2006-11-28 6.9/10 $ 200.1M VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $34.99
We Were Soldiers [Blu-ray] Paramount 2007-01-23 6.9/10 $ 78.1M MPEG2 BD50 DD Yes $29.99
Basic Instinct [Blu-ray] Lionsgate 2007-05-29 6.8/10 $ 117.7M AVC BD50 DTS-HD No $29.98
Click [Blu-ray] Sony 2006-10-10 6.8/10 $ 137.4M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM No $38.95
Dreamgirls (Two-Disc Showstopper Edition) [Blu-ray] DreamWorks 2007-05-01 6.8/10 $ 103.4M MPEG2 BD50 DD Yes $39.95
The Lost City [Blu-ray] Magnolia 2007-05-01 6.8/10 $ 2.5M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM DTSMA $29.95
Waiting... (Unrated and Raw) [Blu-ray] Lionsgate 2007-07-17 6.8/10 $ 16.1M AVC BD50 LPCM 7.1 Yes $29.99
The Guardian [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-01-23 6.7/10 $ 55M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM No $34.95
Hellboy [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-06-05 6.7/10 $ 59.6M AVC BD50 LPCM Yes $28.95
The Manchurian Candidate [Blu-ray] Paramount 2007-01-23 6.7/10 $ 66M MPEG2 BD50 DD DTS Yes $29.99
The Patriot (Extended Cut) [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-07-03 6.7/10 $ 113.3M AVC BD50 LPCM Yes $28.95
Ultimate Avengers Collection [Blu-ray] Lionsgate 2007-04-24 6.7/10 MPEG2 BD50 LPCM 7.1 $39.95
Battle of the Bulge [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-05-15 6.6/10 VC-1 BD50 DD Yes $28.99
Cruel Intentions [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-06-12 6.6/10 $ 38.3M AVC BD50 LPCM $28.95
Flyboys [Blu-Ray] MGM 2007-01-30 6.6/10 $ 13.1M MPEG2 BD50 DTS-MA 24bit $39.95
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-01-23 6.6/10 $ 51.1M AVC BD50 LPCM Yes $34.95
Seven Years in Tibet [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-06-12 6.6/10 $ 38M AVC BD50 LPCM $28.95
World Trade Center (Two-Disc Special Collector's Edition) [Blu-ray] Paramount 2006-12-12 6.6/10 $ 70.3M MPEG2 BD50 DD Yes $39.99
Ladder 49 [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-02-13 6.5/10 $ 74.5M AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit Yes $34.95
Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby [Blu-ray] Sony 2006-12-12 6.5/10 $ 148.2M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM No $28.95
Casanova [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-01-23 6.4/10 $ 11.3M VC-1 BD50 LPCM $34.95
Final Fantasy - The Spirits Within [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-08-07 6.4/10 $ 32.1M AVC BD50 LPCM $28.95
Incubus - Alive at Red Rocks [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-03-27 6.4/10 AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit $29.95
Warriors of Heaven Sony 2007-03-27 6.4/10 $ 82.9k MPEG2 BD50 LPCM Yes $28.95
Black Rain (Special Collector's Edition) [Blu-ray] Paramount 2007-01-23 6.3/10 $ 46.2M MPEG2 BD50 DD Yes $29.95
Flightplan [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2006-12-19 6.2/10 $ 89.7M VC-1 BD50 LPCM $34.95
Wild Hogs [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-08-14 6.2/10 $ 168.3M AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit $34.95
King Arthur (Director's Cut) [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-04-03 6.1/10 $ 51.9M AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit Yes $34.95
Dirty Dancing (20th Anniversary Edition) [Blu-Ray] Lionsgate 2007-05-08 6.0/10 $ 63.4M AVC BD50 LPCM 6.1 No $29.95
Running With Scissors [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-02-06 5.9/10 $ 6.9M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM No $38.96
National Lampoon's Van Wilder (Unrated) [Blu-ray] Lionsgate 2007-08-21 5.9/10 $ 21.3M AVC BD50 LPCM 7.1 $29.99
Chicken Little [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2007-03-20 5.8/10 $ 135.4M AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit $34.99
Catch and Release [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-05-08 5.7/10 $ 15.5M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM $38.95
Premonition [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-07-17 5.6/10 $ 47.9M AVC BD50 LPCM $38.95
Purple Rain [Blu-ray] Warner 2007-07-24 5.6/10 $ 68.4M VC-1 BD50 TrueHD $28.99
Ghost Rider (Extended Cut) [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-06-12 5.5/10 $ 115.8M AVC BD50 LPCM TrueHD 20bit No $38.95
AVP - Alien Vs. Predator [Blu-ray] Fox 2007-01-23 5.4/10 $ 80.3M MPEG2 BD50 DTS-MA 24bit $39.98
Vertical Limit [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-02-20 5.4/10 $ 69.2M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM Yes $28.95
Pearl Harbor [Blu-ray] Buena Vista 2006-12-19 5.3/10 $ 198.5M MPEG2 BD50 LPCM 24bit Yes $34.95
Perfect Stranger [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-08-21 5.3/10 $ 23.7M AVC BD50 LPCM $38.95
The Messengers [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-06-05 5.1/10 $ 35.4M AVC BD50 LPCM No $38.95
Destiny's Child: Live in Atlanta [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-02-20 4.7/10 MPEG2 BD50 LPCM $19.98
Chris Botti: Live (With Orchestra and Special Guests) [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-05-29 3.7/10 AVC BD50 LPCM 24bit 96kHz $19.95
Norbit [Blu-ray] DreamWorks 2007-06-05 3.4/10 $ 95.4M AVC BD50 DD Yes $39.99
Happily N'Ever After [Blu-Ray] Lionsgate 2007-05-01 3.2/10 $ 15.6M MPEG2 BD50 DTS-HD $39.99
Stomp the Yard [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-05-15 2.8/10 $ 61.4M AVC BD50 LPCM TrueHD 20bit $38.95
Tyler Perry's Daddy's Little Girls [Blu-ray] Lionsgate 2007-06-12 2.6/10 $ 31.4M AVC BD50 LPCM 6.1 $39.99
Are We Done Yet? [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-08-07 2.4/10 $ 49.6M AVC BD50 LPCM $38.95
Delta Farce [Blu-ray] Lionsgate 2007-09-04 2.2/10 $ 8.1M VC-1 BD50 LPCM 7.1 $39.99
Bruce Springsteen with the Sessions Band: Live in Dublin [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-06-05 AVC BD50 LPCM Yes $24.95
Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City Music Hall [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-09-04 VC-1 BD50 TrueHD 96kHz 24bit $29.95
Rescue Me - The Complete Third Season [Blu-ray] Sony 2007-06-05 IMDb AVC BD50 LPCM Yes $79.95
Toto - Live in Amsterdam (25th Anniversary) [Blu-ray] Eagle Rock 2007-01-23 VC-1 BD50 DD DTS Yes $24.95
Weeds - Season 1 [Blu-ray] Lionsgate 2007-05-29 IMDb MPEG2 BD50 DTS-HD Yes $29.98
Weeds Season 2 [Blu-ray] Lionsgate 2007-07-24 IMDb AVC BD50 LPCM 7.1 $39.99
if you include paramount/dreamworks, thats 119...take them out...still 103, so...a little more than half the titles out are on 50 gb discs
domerdel @ Sep 14th 2007 4:55PM
whats up with brits and the windy hair look? I will agree with his point of view, this is a publicity stunt by the HD-DVD guys.
Kris: there are more BD50 discs in production and already out there. Robocop is Mpeg4.
apease @ Sep 14th 2007 5:01PM
At least there are BD-50 movies already out there, when the HD-DVD camp was saying it was all sci-fi. And I'm still waiting for confirmation that HD-51 will work on first and second gen players... How long will it take for HD-51 to actually get used?
But the best part is suddenly capacity is important to the HD-DVD camp, so now they've got that extra one gigabyte the format war is over! lol. And Blu-Ray still has much higher bandwidth.
Alex @ Sep 14th 2007 5:08PM
the CEO must be a frequent AVS poster. I kind of agree with him though, I would love for my XA1 to play TL51 but I doubt it will be able to, if they actually start getting used. I am not mad though, early adopters should expect this. My first 2 DVD players didn't play burned DVD-Rs worth a damn/at all and a lot of branched programming didn't work for years. Plus, there is always BD 1.0, 1.1. 2.0 etc...
Michael @ Sep 16th 2007 6:30PM
Alex, the reason your first two DVD players had a hard time playing burned DVDs was due to the laser, not the firmware. Earlier DVD players used a wider (different color frequency) laser and could not accurately read the shallower pits the burned media used compared to commercial discs. Once the industry converted to a higher frequency laser (why do you think BD uses a blue laser?) it could now read pretty much all the standard format media out there. The newly proposed triple layer HD disc is just that, a triple layer instead of a dual layer. To put it simply, all that should be required is a firmware update to tell the laser where to focus so it can read the additional layer of data and voila - instant upgrade. I'm sure it's more complicated than that but you get the idea. It really shouldn't be that difficult to upgrade all the current players out to be able to read these higher capacity HD-DVDs.
Nfinity @ Sep 14th 2007 5:13PM
I just keep bookmarking these statements from BDA so I can make a collection on the most iditioc things pronounced as they are ALWAYS wrong. But my favorite is still Fox and BDA proclaiming that HD DVD would be dead by last February. :)
domerdel @ Sep 14th 2007 5:20PM
Simba:
Thank you!!!
Dave @ Sep 14th 2007 5:56PM
Actually, you're the idiot.
"As of September 2007 40% of Blu-ray titles use the 50 GB disc and 60% use the 25 GB disc[52] while almost all HD DVD movies are in the 30 GB dual layer format.[53]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc
Kevin Murphy @ Sep 14th 2007 9:33PM
Could you post a link for each of those?
joe @ Sep 14th 2007 5:15PM
In relation to the format war he is right. Any 51 gb Hd-dvd's would not play on any existing or announced HD-DVD hardware.
It would be the same as Bluray releasing a 200gb BD. Maybe future computer storage could use it but, for movies it would be pure bunk.
Mike @ Sep 14th 2007 10:30PM
Bunk is what you are spreading. The 51gig disk will work on all HD DVD platers being sold...that's both 2nd and 3rd generations...and i heard from someone at CEDIA that it will work on the 1st gen too.
domerdel @ Sep 14th 2007 5:22PM
http://www.blu-raystats.com/index.php?OrderBy=Size
Tom @ Sep 14th 2007 5:31PM
what a douche!
will @ Sep 14th 2007 5:34PM
dude look goofy
domerdel @ Sep 14th 2007 6:09PM
Dave: this is not the case in the "idiot" statement lol. the point was that someone was saying it was "rare" to find BD50 gb discs while in fact there are several to choose from. BD25 was beginning of production, and BD50 is catching up. The number of BD50 and HD30 is very close.
SimbaDogg @ Sep 14th 2007 7:31PM
Mmm, thats funny dave, because 1) even a 60/40 split is a hell of a lot more than "rare". that was pretty much my point, obviously you're the only one that didn't pick up on that. 2) great place to quote for information...wikipedia....maybe i should go there right now and update the info. Never quote wikipedia for info...
Dave @ Sep 14th 2007 6:12PM
Ah. Sorry. Still, it's less than half.
Dave @ Sep 14th 2007 6:16PM
As far as them being close, how is "almost all" close to 40%?
domerdel @ Sep 14th 2007 6:18PM
less than half indeed, but numbers will climb over the 50% hill. And not to discredit the BD25 releases, the 40% covers a mass of box office hits:
http://www.blu-raystats.com/index.php?OrderBy=Boxoffice&Size=BD50
Dave @ Sep 14th 2007 6:24PM
Sure--reportedly...in the future. But maybe that's just a "publicity stunt".
;)
joe @ Sep 14th 2007 7:31PM
Dave-
you've been derailed.
It's been shown that there are PLENTY of bd50 disks currently for sale. While 40% is not most is is also far from being rare.
You would expect most movies to be on 30gb HD-DVD since 15 gb just isn't enough for lightly compressed content. Having 60% of the bluray disk being 25 gb shows that 25gb is just fine for many applications right now, while 15 gb is not. Extra content and longer movies to follow on bigger disks.
Smee @ Sep 14th 2007 8:29PM
What a load of sh*t, if a movie wont fit on one disc, use 2, I mean WTF, who cares
SimbaDogg @ Sep 14th 2007 10:21PM
ummm...this?
http://www.blu-raystats.com/index.php?OrderBy=Codec
Kevin Murphy @ Sep 14th 2007 9:34PM
Someone buy Frank Simonis another drink.
Kevin Murphy @ Sep 14th 2007 9:37PM
@Joe:
It's believed that many of the Toshiba players can be updated to use the 51GB disks. Maybe not the 1st gen or the xbox thing. It doesn't seem to be a hardware issue.
Tim @ Sep 14th 2007 9:47PM
It does seem odd that HD DVD constantly said that the higher storage wouldn't matter but now all of a sudden they have a higher storage disc.
But really, a publicity stunt done by a company that is trying to win a format war? No way! That never happens.
Rob @ Sep 14th 2007 10:17PM
51GB disc??? Maybe they can put all the decent Universal and Paramount movies all on one disc then.
mike @ Sep 14th 2007 10:41PM
@Rob
And maybe sony can fit the entire collection of good sony studio movies on 1 dual layered Blu-ray disk.
Seriously your comment is retarded, thus your retarded
Mike @ Sep 14th 2007 11:12PM
HD DVD has been working on a triple layer disc since before the 1st generation started selling so storage has never been an issue as HD DVD knew the TL disc was going to come out.
The fact the 51 gig discs are easier to read then the 45gig disc was a bonus.
Neg2LED @ Sep 15th 2007 12:05AM
what a twit.
Xyzzy @ Sep 15th 2007 10:51AM
Obviously this was done as a talking point. When your competitor keeps saying, "We have more storage capability," you need to be able to counteract that regardless of whether it's actually needed or not (and I maintain that King Kong proves you don't).
If you want publicity stunts, Sony and friends are the experts. "Blu-Ray has won!" "HD DVD will be dead by February!" "BD players are outselling HD DVD player 15:1!!!" "We'll have interactive content soon!!!!*" (* said in what, 2006?)
Sean @ Sep 15th 2007 11:22AM
Ok, so here it is, Toshiba said this: All players will be able to read the HD-51 disc via Firmware update. The discs will be on the streets before years end.
Here is what we DONT know and should sit back and watch:
How hard or expensive is it to make the disc?
What studios who know how to make a good HD-DVD(Warner/Universal) will really care to use it since they get outstanding results as is from an HD-30?
And Also, Robocop is BD-25/MPEG-2, this has been confirmed (Was postponed form earlier just like Hills Have Eyes 2, so they could add BD+)
-dad
davechello @ Sep 18th 2007 4:22AM
Regarding the specs of robocop
"specs released by the studio indicate a brand new high-def transfer for the title's October 9th Blu-ray bow. Apparently minted from a cleaned up version of the film's unrated cut, MGM says the upcoming BD-25 single-layer release will feature 1080p/AVC MPEG-4 video, as well as a new DTS-HD Lossless Master Audio 5.1 Surround track."
www.highdefdigest.com
So tell me again where it has been confirmed as Mpeg2?
Brenden @ Sep 16th 2007 10:41AM
You Engadget guys may want to take a look at this:
http://www.betanews.com/article/Toshiba_DVD_Forum_Hasnt_Yet_Approved_Final_51_GB_HD_DVD_After_All/1189716943
Kevin Murphy @ Sep 16th 2007 1:58PM
Well, heck, all of Blu-ray is still a "preliminary specification." What's your point?