I'm going to restrain from posting any further comments on Engadget after this one, when SimbaDogg and likes mouth off completely ridiculous information.
I'm just going to wait until "the dead format" gets Walmart support, $99 chinese players and $150 Toshiba higher quality HD DVD players, most likely by Christmas and you see all the studios starting to release more and more movies with richer content, combo discs, cheaper prices. Oh, wait, studios are ALREADY releasing more interesting content on HD DVD. Let's just see how well 300 sells shell we.
Then, you see Fox and Disney "suddenly" decide that it's not such a bad idea to start releasing their content on "other formats". Let me remind you that Disney already started doing that with XBox Live. And by end of year, we hear an announcement that Denon, LG , Samsung decided it's not such a bad idea to release HD DVD players only too.
It's completely ridiculous to say that Blu-Ray sales are going better? Where exactly did you get that information. The ONLY thing that gives BOOST to Blu-Ray in numbers IS in fact PS3. What standalone sales are you talking about. But let's not go into this.
You smartasses forget that PS3 STARTED selling because it was AFFORDABLE in terms of value, even WITHOUT any movie and titles. People who were buying PS3s and still buy them, do it because of perceieved VALUE not because of technical superiority or whatever you are saying. What exactly could you PLAY or watch begnning of the year on PS3? NOTHING, yet people bought them including me because of the PRICE being AFFORDABLE for this gaming and hi-def machine that offers hdd and wi-fi etc etc.
So you are completely contradicting your opinions.
This WAR will be decided EXCLUSIVELY by price. Let's just see when HD DVD hits $150, who will LOOK at PS3 or any other stand-alone player on Blu-Ray. There's ENOUGH titles for people to accept a bit of SACRIFICE but to save money. You are truly delusional if you think otherwise.
nfinity...is right..although i feel that china is a key here as well, since they have more consumers then most regions out there alone. Plus isn't it about making money?? if there is a market to make more don't you think that studios' are going to smell the money and try and double their profits? Unless your a studio owned by sony which makes 3..there is a mound of cash to collect since they do have an installed base of "movie" watchers that would love to buy more content. Plus for a format that is "dead" why is it that the total number of titles is almost dead(no pun intended) even?
@nfinity i think the only thing that we'l ever agree on, is to disagree, with that said: i think one of the reasons that myself, and a few others are so turned off by your responses is your fanboyism for hd dvd, you're self proclaimed ability to predict the future, and your inability to admit to the blatently obvious.
Sure its great to say that price will ultimately decide the format war, and yes, you are correct, cheap chinese manufactuers getting into the game will definitely have a huge impact, as will walmart. but to say "wait and see when the chinese do it", or "just wait till walmart starts making a big push for hd dvd (i personally think they'd make a bigger push w/ blu ray, just for the simple fact that they have a lot more family oriented movies, and will continue to have more because of 1 studio...disney)...its nothing more than heresay. No one knows who's going to come out on top, and no one can predict the future.
the one thing that we can do is 1) look @ current trends and 2) look @ some of the hard facts. One thing that we can say for sure is it HAS NOT been price so far that has put hd dvd where it is, and blu ray where they are, its been a combination of other things.You say BDA is wasting their money on endcaps and advertising...but sadly, thats helped them. You say the ps3 is the contridictory of the arguement some have made earlier (about price). Maybe it is. But the trojan horse is still selling like hot cakes, and there are quite a few people that are still spendingtwice as much on that then its hd-a2 competition and some of those people are even planning to play games on it.
and to correct you on yet another thing...sony is not BLEEDING any money on these endcaps. yeah their spending a good amount, but its actually netting them some success...hardly the definition of bleeding, also considering their company doubled their 1st quarter profits, and the only part of their company that lost money was the ps3 portion of their gaming division...most would say they're doing pretty goood.
by the way, the xbox premium is still selling @ 399 (please dont say its going for 350 RIGHT NOW, its not) and please dont say say the ps3 is going for 600...thats just a blatent mistatement of fact. this is supposed to be a no spin zone.
@undawater couldn't agree with you fully. yes price makes a big difference, but people want content. seeing that they can't get any spiderman movie, disney movie, or any of the other movies made by the other big studios is a bit of a setback. look at movies that have been released on both formats such as the the prestige. just about every movie that has been, and look it up if you want to, has sold significantly better on blu ray. that is a huge trend, and big dollar studios notice big dollar trends
@mb hd dvds healths does conincide a lot with the ability to get a studio like disney over. think about how many kids, or grownups for that fact are growing up/have grown up watching the same disney movie over and over and over again. i can't begin to tell you how many disney movies my parents bought for myself and my siblings growing up with disney inking this deal w/ xboxlive...i'm not sure how much of a possibility it still may be.
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Nfinity @ Jul 30th 2007 8:44PM
I'm going to restrain from posting any further comments on Engadget after this one, when SimbaDogg and likes mouth off completely ridiculous information.
I'm just going to wait until "the dead format" gets Walmart support, $99 chinese players and $150 Toshiba higher quality HD DVD players, most likely by Christmas and you see all the studios starting to release more and more movies with richer content, combo discs, cheaper prices. Oh, wait, studios are ALREADY releasing more interesting content on HD DVD. Let's just see how well 300 sells shell we.
Then, you see Fox and Disney "suddenly" decide that it's not such a bad idea to start releasing their content on "other formats". Let me remind you that Disney already started doing that with XBox Live. And by end of year, we hear an announcement that Denon, LG , Samsung decided it's not such a bad idea to release HD DVD players only too.
It's completely ridiculous to say that Blu-Ray sales are going better? Where exactly did you get that information. The ONLY thing that gives BOOST to Blu-Ray in numbers IS in fact PS3. What standalone sales are you talking about. But let's not go into this.
You smartasses forget that PS3 STARTED selling because it was AFFORDABLE in terms of value, even WITHOUT any movie and titles. People who were buying PS3s and still buy them, do it because of perceieved VALUE not because of technical superiority or whatever you are saying. What exactly could you PLAY or watch begnning of the year on PS3? NOTHING, yet people bought them including me because of the PRICE being AFFORDABLE for this gaming and hi-def machine that offers hdd and wi-fi etc etc.
So you are completely contradicting your opinions.
This WAR will be decided EXCLUSIVELY by price. Let's just see when HD DVD hits $150, who will LOOK at PS3 or any other stand-alone player on Blu-Ray. There's ENOUGH titles for people to accept a bit of SACRIFICE but to save money. You are truly delusional if you think otherwise.
Doc @ Jul 30th 2007 9:00PM
nfinity...is right..although i feel that china is a key here as well, since they have more consumers then most regions out there alone. Plus isn't it about making money?? if there is a market to make more don't you think that studios' are going to smell the money and try and double their profits? Unless your a studio owned by sony which makes 3..there is a mound of cash to collect since they do have an installed base of "movie" watchers that would love to buy more content. Plus for a format that is "dead" why is it that the total number of titles is almost dead(no pun intended) even?
SimbaDogg @ Jul 31st 2007 12:57AM
@nfinity
i think the only thing that we'l ever agree on, is to disagree, with that said: i think one of the reasons that myself, and a few others are so turned off by your responses is your fanboyism for hd dvd, you're self proclaimed ability to predict the future, and your inability to admit to the blatently obvious.
Sure its great to say that price will ultimately decide the format war, and yes, you are correct, cheap chinese manufactuers getting into the game will definitely have a huge impact, as will walmart. but to say "wait and see when the chinese do it", or "just wait till walmart starts making a big push for hd dvd (i personally think they'd make a bigger push w/ blu ray, just for the simple fact that they have a lot more family oriented movies, and will continue to have more because of 1 studio...disney)...its nothing more than heresay. No one knows who's going to come out on top, and no one can predict the future.
the one thing that we can do is 1) look @ current trends and 2) look @ some of the hard facts. One thing that we can say for sure is it HAS NOT been price so far that has put hd dvd where it is, and blu ray where they are, its been a combination of other things.You say BDA is wasting their money on endcaps and advertising...but sadly, thats helped them. You say the ps3 is the contridictory of the arguement some have made earlier (about price). Maybe it is. But the trojan horse is still selling like hot cakes, and there are quite a few people that are still spendingtwice as much on that then its hd-a2 competition and some of those people are even planning to play games on it.
and to correct you on yet another thing...sony is not BLEEDING any money on these endcaps. yeah
their spending a good amount, but its actually netting them some success...hardly the definition of bleeding, also considering their company doubled their 1st quarter profits, and the only part of their company that lost money was the ps3 portion of their gaming division...most would say they're doing pretty goood.
by the way, the xbox premium is still selling @ 399 (please dont say its going for 350 RIGHT NOW, its not) and please dont say say the ps3 is going for 600...thats just a blatent mistatement of fact. this is supposed to be a no spin zone.
@undawater
couldn't agree with you fully. yes price makes a big difference, but people want content. seeing that they can't get any spiderman movie, disney movie, or any of the other movies made by the other big studios is a bit of a setback. look at movies that have been released on both formats such as the the prestige. just about every movie that has been, and look it up if you want to, has sold
significantly better on blu ray. that is a huge trend, and big dollar studios notice big dollar trends
@mb
hd dvds healths does conincide a lot with the ability to get a studio like disney over. think about how many kids, or grownups for that fact are growing up/have grown up watching the same disney movie over and over and over again. i can't begin to tell you how many disney movies my parents bought for myself and my siblings growing up with disney inking this deal w/ xboxlive...i'm not sure how much of a possibility it still may be.