http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/ Engadget HD Comments for HD DVD making a run on Blu-ray in the release race http://www.engadgethd.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgethd.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/EVERY product needs healthy competition,it is so important for HD DVD to survive or we will all be held to ransom no matter which side you support.
So to all you blu ray fanboys, get your heads out of your rear ends or we will all have to pay through the nose.]]>Jul 5th 2007 7:31AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/Jul 5th 2007 8:39AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/You cannot consider formats a monopoly and competition with formats only hurt the consumer. ONE format is best for consumers because it eliminates the confusion of two formats and will be adopted quicker. The more people buy the format, the cheaper it becomes to manufacture, lowering prices.
Economies of scale. DVD players and movies became cheaper and cheaper over time. When I first started buying DVD movies they were upwards of $30-$35. Now new releases go for around $15, and end up at $7 after about 2 months.]]>Jul 5th 2007 10:42AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/
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You're completely full of BS. DVD has no opposing format, so why aren't you claiming the same thing for DVD? Nor did VHS for several years, or LPs.

Talk about taking one's head of their rear end...]]>Jul 5th 2007 8:53AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/Jul 5th 2007 9:14AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/
How about: Lower capacity, lower bandwidth, no studio support, no CE support.

I keep hearing about the HD-DVD comeback. Patiently waiting for it to happen. ]]>Jul 5th 2007 10:14AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/
How about: Lower capacity, lower bandwidth, no studio support, no CE support.

I keep hearing about the HD-DVD comeback. Patiently waiting for it to happen"

299$ for the A2 on black friday 199$(China players will be cheaper)...if u see a Blu player 4 199$ this year give me a call ;-)

NO REGIONS period.

A lot of people will buy indies...inclusive me.

How about obsolete blu-ray players by Oktober ;-)

Studio/CE support:HD DVD Promotion Group Member List contains the main promoters of HD DVD, namely Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, Microsoft, RCA, Kenwood, Intel, and Memory-Tech Corporation. The HD DVD format is also non-exclusively supported by Hitachi Maxell, LG, Lite On, Onkyo, Meridan, Samsung,[32] and Alpine. In terms of major studios in North America, HD DVD is currently exclusively backed by Universal Studios (including subsidiaries Rogue Pictures, Focus Features and Polygram Filmed Entertainment), The Weinstein Company/Dimension Films (through Genius Products), and First Look Studios. The format is non-exclusively backed by Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks, Warner Bros. Pictures (it should be noted that a number of Warner's titles—Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, The Perfect Storm, Troy, Poseidon, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, The Matrix Trilogy—are HD DVD exclusive at the present), Warner Music Group, New Line Cinema, HBO, Studio Canal, and Image Entertainment (including the Discovery Channel),[33] Magnolia Pictures,[34] Brentwood Home Video, Ryko, Koch/Goldhil Entertainment.[35] HD DVD does have more studio support worldwide, especially in Europe. HD DVD is currently exclusively backed by several adult-movie/pornography studios/publishers, including Wicked Pictures, Pink Visual, Bang Bros, Digital Playground Inc. and ClubJenna Inc. (which on 22 June 2006 was acquired by Playboy Enterprises), and HD DVD is also non-exclusively backed by Vivid Entertainment. ]]>Jul 5th 2007 10:36AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/
As for cheaper players -- thanks for giving me a chuckle with your "not for long" comment. That's the Blu-Ray mantra. "One day soon, we'll have that feature."]]>Jul 5th 2007 10:27AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/
Oh, but that's Sony's main claim: "We won't sell to you if you don't buy our player." And here I thought I should buy BD because the format's better.]]>Jul 5th 2007 11:52AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/
Huh? The only one that won't sell to you if you don't buy their player is Toshiba. They're the only one's making HD DVD players now, including the 360 addon. Meanwhile, I can buy players from Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Pioneer, Sharp, and more. Many of those are now available for $500 or less. To an average consumer, it doesn't matter if it's $250 or $500, and even if they buy the players, HD DVD is actually losing market share for movies to BD as the year goes on. They've been outsold 2:1 for the year so far. Not only that, HD DVD has released more titles but sold *less* actual discs.

Nice try, but lies get you nowhere.]]>Jul 5th 2007 12:20PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/Jul 5th 2007 12:25PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/]]>Jul 5th 2007 12:33PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/
I hate SONY too BUT I don't give a rats ass who benefits from the format... as long as theres only ONE format, we can finally get some HD movies flowing out of all studios. HD-DVD is too far back to take a lead again. F*#%ing format war blows!]]>Jul 6th 2007 1:31PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/
The real focus is long-term media sales. Sony has better momentum thanks to the 3.6M PS3's sold worldwide. Sony has better studio support in the US. Toshiba has cheaper players. Toshiba has more momentum on stand-alone player sales, which have a ~10x attach rate advantage.

How these factors combine to determine long-term media sales is a non-trivial task. If you have it all figured out, then you should be sending your resume to the participants in this format war.

My best guess is that both formats will persist, which sucks for consumers. Hopefully the combo-player chipsets in development will bring down combo player costs.]]>Jul 5th 2007 2:16PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/Jul 5th 2007 2:22PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/Jul 5th 2007 4:35PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/Jul 5th 2007 5:42PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/
i would rather have less good quality movies then mmore crappy movies from 10 years ago]]>Jul 5th 2007 5:58PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/
The peak A/V mux rate for HD DVD is 30Mb/s.

The peak A/V mux rate for Blu-ray is 48Mb/s(40Mb/s for video).

Though not finished BR-J is better and more compliant with other media types(other than the limited internet based ones Microsoft is into).

"BD-J is based on a packaged media profile of Globally Executable MHP, or GEM. GEM, in turn, forms the basis of most global digital television application standards, including Multimedia Home Platform ("DVB-MHP") for broadcast, satellite, and cable worldwide, OpenCable Application Platform ("OCAP") for North American cable, and Advanced Common Application Platform ("ACAP") for US broadcast. GEM is an ETSI standard; DVB-MHP is a DVB standard. All GEM-based standards are built on top of Java technology, invented by Sun Microsystems. Because BD-J, MHP, OCAP, and ACAP are all based on the Java platform, there is a high degree of content interoperability between these standards, making it easier, for example, for Blu-ray Disc content features to be made available on cable Video on Demand, or for interactive television content originally aired on broadcast television to be repackaged and made available on Blu-ray Disc."

And right now, Blu-ray is far ahead considering it came out of the Gate second.

"Through June, Blu-ray had sold about 1.8 million discs, compared with 1.3 million for HD DVD, according to consultancy Adams Media Research. A top title such as Warner Bros.' "The Departed," which was out in both formats, shipped 85,000 copies in Blu-ray and 60,000 in HD DVD, compared with 7.7 million for regular DVDs.
These days, Blu-ray discs are outselling HD DVDs at a rate of about two to one, says Tom Adams, president at Adams Media.
Once either format hits about two million homes, it will create a large enough incentive for any studio not releasing titles in that format to reconsider, Mr. Adams says. Currently, about 105,000 homes have Blu-ray players, and about 150,000 have HD DVD players. An additional 1.5 million homes have PlayStation 3 devices, which also play Blu-ray movies, although fewer gamers are using the machines to play movies than had been hoped for. About 160,000 consumers have bought add-on devices for Xbox machines that allow them to play HD DVDs."

June 15-23 edition of Home Media Magazine--->
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom061707/index.php





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So 85,000 / 60,000 equals 2 to 1? My math must be bad.

Don't forget that reported here at engadgethd...that 13% of game machines are used to watch movies...so that is 1.5 mil times .13]]>Jul 6th 2007 7:05AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/Jul 6th 2007 11:59AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/
so i take it that sony wants to shove blu-ray down our throats but toshiba doesnt want to do the same with hd dvd huh?

besides im tired of people talkin like sony solely developed blu ray or its the only company that wants it to be established. you all need to realise that the reason most company support blu ray is because of longevity... period]]>Jul 8th 2007 12:21AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/07/05/hd-dvd-making-a-run-on-blu-ray-in-the-release-race/Jul 8th 2007 2:14AM