http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/ Engadget HD Comments for Warner's Total HD delayed 'till 2008 http://www.engadgethd.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgethd.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
Just curious.]]>Jun 28th 2007 11:10AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jun 28th 2007 11:14AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jun 28th 2007 11:12AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jun 28th 2007 11:21AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jun 28th 2007 11:23AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
HD ~90's Demi Moore anybody? Oh hells yaa.]]>Jun 28th 2007 11:32AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
Yea there is. I'm thinking holiday season 2007.]]>Jun 28th 2007 12:07PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
Umm... Dude. Check your numbers. The PS3 has sold 5.5 million world wide. So make that 5.6 million blu-ray units.]]>Jun 28th 2007 12:07PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
Why not? I own a PS3 which I use as my blu-ray player. I signed up with Netflix and I've watched 3 blu-ray movies a week for the past 5 months. It's a blu-ray player/gaming console.

If you believe PS3 owners are not renting and buying blu-ray films then you have a screw loose.]]>Jun 28th 2007 12:17PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jun 28th 2007 12:19PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
Also, for what it's worth, so long as I have a choice, I will be boycotting the Total HD format as I don't want to have anything to do with Blu-ray being attached to my HD DVD content, and I'm sure the Blu-ray fans feel the same way about the presence of HD DVD.

Thoughts?]]>Jun 28th 2007 1:01PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jul 8th 2007 9:50PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
You need to get your GED already and consider all the facts and think outside your little world buddy.]]>Jun 28th 2007 1:06PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
If they can make the media reliable in HD-DVD and BR players and support the standard specifications of each format, then more power to them. I'll pay a couple dollars (and that's all it will be) extra for future proofing.]]>Jun 28th 2007 1:33PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jun 28th 2007 2:16PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jun 28th 2007 2:31PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
Remember my post? " I own a PS3 which I use as my blu-ray player. I signed up with Netflix and I've watched 3 blu-ray movies a week for the past 5 months. It's a blu-ray player/gaming console"

RENTAL being the key word.]]>Jun 28th 2007 2:49PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jun 28th 2007 3:02PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
5% = 178,500 Blu-Ray Players sold.

Giving that the amount of Sony Playstation 3's sold are 3.56Million, Which might be more then that...]]>Jun 28th 2007 3:09PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Do you see where this is going?

The raw number of disks sold is what matters most. So at that level both sides are fairly even. The more sucessful a given format is the LOWER the attach rate becomes. I have 4 devices that play cd's and 3 that play dvd's and 1 for blueray. So each blueray disk counts 3x as much as a DVD, of course not.

When 100 million players hit the streets an attach rate of 1/10 is significant.]]>Jun 28th 2007 3:26PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
Ask yourselves this, if the HD DVD attach rate is so good why are haven't they beaten BD's sales since mid-december? Why do they need such a high attach rate to beat Blu-ray? Why haven't they done that yet, despite reducing players to just $300?!

Re: The PS3 situation. Some people will never buy a game and use it exclusively for BD playing. Some people will never watch a movie and only play games. Some people are in between and will buy/rent a few movies or games. Claiming it is or isn't a BD player isn't accurate is a bit of both.]]>Jun 28th 2007 3:26PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/However, I prefer the ps3 because the 360 sounds like a jet plane on takeoff.]]>Jun 28th 2007 3:32PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
Yes, there are exceptions. Some people exclusively rent. Some people pirate all their movies. Nonetheless, you can draw some reasonably sound conclusions from the attach rate.

The PS3/360 influence is making it harder to read hardware sales figures and draw conclusions, so we turn to software sales for answers. An attach rate of 0.5 combined with 3.5M PS3s sold equals 1.75M BD movies sold. An attach rate of 5.5 combined with 150k HD-DVD standalones sold equals 0.83M movies sold. The math favors BD software sales and that is reflected in the data we see online. This math was for illustrative purposes, so please refrain from dissecting it.]]>Jun 28th 2007 4:29PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jun 28th 2007 4:36PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/]]>Jun 28th 2007 4:51PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/]]>Jun 28th 2007 4:53PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
I agree that the attach rate arguement is a foolish one, Disc Sales will win this war.

Beatmax player owners can tell you that if Blu-ray wins, it wont matter how many HD DVD stand-alones were sold.

Saying the PS3 doesn't matter in Blu-ray sales is Naive at best.]]>Jun 28th 2007 6:14PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jun 28th 2007 6:18PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
The low attach rate for the ps3 means a few things:
1- Large # of ps3 owners have not bought discs
1a- Depending on how large 1 is, those who bought discs didn't buy very many
2- there's potential for significant growth due to the # of ps3 owners
3- bluray is winning because of the sheer #s of ps3 owners

]]>Jun 28th 2007 6:16PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
Which is rather pointless! The reason people go on about "attach rate" is so they can give the impression BD is failing at something important. They know HD DVD has lost every week since mid-december so they try to spin it. It's not like Blockbuster is going to turn around and say "well 70% of people are renting Blu-ray but we'll carry both formats because it should be 90%"

We have a good idea how many PS3 owners are watching movies based on the survey Sony did last year. I believe 20% of owners bought a PS3 just to watch BD's]]>Jun 28th 2007 9:36PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/It's foolish to assume that when the player hits the main stream that people will still buy 10 movies per player per year.

A high attach rate shows an immature market if sales are low.

Every PS3 can play BD disks and at any point a ps3 owner can purchace or rent a bd movie. They count as BD players. To try and discount them is foolish and pointless. What next, try to figure out how many BD-movies a person rents then discount them because they don't rent enough?

When walmart released a hd-dvd player and most people only use it for an upconvert dvd player are you going to argue that those players don't count?

People who won't buy a HD format player unless it's less than $200 aren't going to pay $5-20 more per disk to get it in HD.

Since HD-dvd has been giving away 5 disks per player I would expect that they should have an attach rate of as the least 5.

]]>Jun 28th 2007 8:19PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
Well I guess I was wrong... There are some big Sony fanboys who think a PS3 is equal to a staandalone HD DVD player *sigh*

Every PS3 might be able to play BD, but most PS3s aren't even connected to an HDTV so therefore actually CAN'T play BD...

Newsflash for you -- every PSP sold can play UMD, but yet I don't see anybody making those anymore.... That's why attach rate is important.]]>Jun 28th 2007 10:25PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
but anyways, i think this total HD format is the dumbest thing in the world. if we were to rewind the clock about 8 months to sometime last year, it woulda made a lot more sense. but this approaching holiday season, with the upcoming price drops from both formats (especially from blu ray) i really can't see hd-dvd being all that viable after x-mas time 07. ]]>Jun 28th 2007 9:53PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jun 28th 2007 10:15PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Jun 28th 2007 10:45PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/Newsflash for you -- every PSP sold can play UMD, but yet I don't see anybody making those anymore.... That's why attach rate is important."

uh..newflash for you, they do still sell UMD. They carry them at Frys and you can get Borat, Casino Royale, and others.

And the comment that Blu-ray players CAN'T play on a regular TV because they are not HD, hehe, you just sound Crazy with talk like that.

I am Still Waiting for the right HDTV, and I think it will be a Samsung 81 series this year, but I already have a PS3 and like 2 dozen Blu-ray Discs. Oh, and they play just fine on my 32" CRT.

Additionally the PS3 is a Great Blu-ray player, and gets regular firmware updates that so far look to make it the Best, most up to date player there will be.]]>Jun 29th 2007 12:41AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
Mr_Fizzlepop: Thanks for answering so I didn't have to. I can't wait until the most popular BD-player isn't the PS3 so that gaming can be seperated from home theatre.]]>Jun 29th 2007 1:30PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
I'm also interested in your source for the "9+ million" laptops that will include HD DVD over the nest year.
]]>Jun 29th 2007 2:14PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/06/28/warners-total-hd-delayed-till-2008/
You need only look at the previous consoles. Sure, some people choose to use them as their designated DVD players, but very few compared to the rest of the world. Not everyone can afford a console just to play their DVD's, HD DVD's or BD's.

Those of you that are arguing for the PS3, stating that you can't write it off, you're half right, but you're also wrong to some degree. The potential to generate Blu-ray sales is definitely there, but the progress of that is being diminished by a lack of consumer knowledge and the relatively small numbers of HDTV sets worldwide.

My point is that as much as Sony wants this to be the central component to everyone's living room, I simply don't see that happening any time soon, and even if they manage to gain some serious traction and place PS3's in nearly every household, what's to say that people are going to be using it as their dedicated Blu-ray player? Nothing. By the time the PS3 becomes "affordable" for the average consumer, there will already be much cheaper standalone Blu-ray players, so if playing HD films is all you care about you would naturally opt for the standalone.

So, like many of us have already stated, you cannot ignore the attach rate or significance that is associated with standalone players. If what you say was true than everyone and their mother would be using the PS2 as their central DVD player, and you should know better than to say that's true.

Just so you know, HD DVD has just released a press release today that states they have captured 70% of the standalone market to date, and this number is only expected to rise within the next couple of months with the discounted prices remaining in place, and holiday discounts inevitable.

If HD DVD manages to consistently outsell Sony with regard to their standalone players the tides will indefinitely turn in favor of HD DVD.

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