Toshiba HD-A20 review

With the first year of the format war under our belt, the second generation hardware is starting to hit the streets and we had a chance to spend some quality time with the new Toshiba HD-A20. The A20 fits nicely in the Toshiba HD DVD player lineup, offering 1080p60 output, the Silicon Optix Reon chip Anchor Bay ABT1018 chip and HDMI 1.3 without the price of the HD-XA2.
The A20 really feels like a consumer electronic device; very different than the A1. The remote is an improvement over the A1 as well, but we still wish it was back-lit like the XA1/XA2's. We're not sure why they even bothered to include composite cables, what is the point of composite cable on a HD movie player anyway? Lucky for us we had all the cables we needed to get things connected.




Now that we have our movie loaded and we start to watch, we get to enjoy the interactive menus we have come to love about HD DVD. Each title's user interface can vary, but the one thing that seems to be consistently better about HD DVD movies than Blu-ray movies is the scrub bar. On Children of Men the scrub bar shows you a very nice graphical representation of where you are in the movie, as well as the current chapter number, time and the total length of the movie. Even the the worst cable DVRs have a scrub bar and maybe Blu-ray will add it in October. Both players have an info button and while the A20 info screen isn't much better looking, it does include additional information such as video and audio codec, sub audio, output resolution and audio output. While the BD-P1000 opens a blue box that looks like circa 1997 and only displays basic information like chapter number and run time. Also a big improvement over the BD-P1000, is the screen saver -- you know, the phone rings you pause the movie -- on the Universal discs, there is a very nice Universal screen saver that turns on compared to the BD-P1000 which just turns off eventually. If you leave either long enough they do shut off, but the HD DVD doesn't take you back to where you were when you turn it back on. Blu-ray's real interactivity layer isn't out till October, but we can certainly appreciate the features on the A20 including PiP and other U-Control features. HD DVD has a big head start in this area, but we're not sure how many people will really consider these features a huge advantage. There were a few times when the A20 wasn't as responsive as we would have liked, but we have seen worse on HD gear. The menu buttons caused us a bit of confusion, it seems to us that the top menu button should bring up the overlay menu and the regular menu button should take you back to a menu like a DVD, either way it is something that is easy to get used to.

Conclusion
If HDMI 1.3 and 1080p60 are on your list of what you want in a HD DVD player, then the A20 fits the bill. It is a solid player that is a nice improvement over the first generation hardware, but we do miss the discrete analog outputs and the coax digital output. Toshiba continues to improve its players and keep the pressure on the Blu-ray camp to improve theirs. While the A20 doesn't seem like enough of an improvement over the A1 to entice owners to upgrade, it is most certainly a solid offering and comparable to any next-gen player from any manufacturer.
















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Aaron Smith @ May 11th 2007 12:00PM
You don't need a new Onkyo 1.3 receiver, any HDMI 1.1 receiver that decodes HDMI audio in multi-channel PCM will play the audio formats in that DVD player-if you set the audio in the player to PCM.
Ben @ May 11th 2007 12:59PM
Exactly, you only need HDMI 1.3 if you want to decode in the Receiver rather than the player, but you do need HDMI cause this player doesn't have 5.1 analog outputs.
Liqwid @ May 11th 2007 12:01PM
The Xbox 360 HD DVD player cuts loading time down like crazy, lawl.
puddy77 @ May 11th 2007 1:21PM
The HD-A20 has HDMI 1.2a. And although it can upconvert everything to 1080p, it does not have the Silicon Optix Reon chip; only the HD-XA2 has it.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=844777
neek @ May 11th 2007 1:24PM
what Ben and Aaron said. engadget needs to get their head around this. this is the third post this week (!) that displays a lack of understanding of this issue.
Ben @ May 11th 2007 1:25PM
Neek,
I am the same buy who wrote the review.
Just cause you don't "need" the Onkyo receiver, doesn't mean people don't want to decode in the receiver.
neek @ May 11th 2007 2:49PM
Ben, I understand that some people are still thinking in regular DVD terms- i.e. sending a bitstream to the receiver is the best way to handle surround tracks on disc. the thing is, that's not true anymore with the HD formats, especially HDDVD, since you've got the whole advanced content authoring method to contend with. Sending PCM is just as good as a bitstream with the lossless formats, so why would you have the burning desire to send a bitstream to the receiver in the first place? It just seems like the posts this week have all implied in various ways that sending a bitstream is preferable to sending PCM, and it isn't.
Ben @ May 11th 2007 2:59PM
Neek,
When DVD players first came out they had the decoders built in as well, but in the end they ended up in the AV receivers.
One reason is because the receiver were able to offer additional functionality like delaying audio per channel and other sound processing. The only reason to let the player decode is the advanced content authoring method. Personally I could care less about menu sounds, and special features. I care more about sound quality and accuracy. The same device can convert from D>A and amplify, there is only one neck to choke.
neek @ May 11th 2007 3:18PM
sending pcm doesn't add another d>a conversion. PCM is still digital, and is bit-for-bit identical to the original TrueHD or DTS MA bitstream, so it's not the same type of situation as it was with standard definition dvd players.
plus, thanks to advanced content, sending a bitstream DOES introduce an extra encode/de-encode step, since you'll be decoding the bitstream in the player, mixing in the extra sounds, then re-encoding to TrueHD or DTS MA bitstream to send to the player. in real time. not good.
Whether you care about those sounds or not is irrelevant. If the disc's been encoded using that method, you're not getting an untouched bitstream out of the player, full stop.
also, PCM can have all the timing adjustments applied to it in the receiver just like the TrueHD bitstream can.
Ben @ May 11th 2007 3:20PM
Either way it comes down to preference and HDMI 1.2 doesn't allow that preference. At least if you have HDMI 1.3, you can choose the best based on your options, if your player only does 1.2, you will have to replace it before you can use the latest features your AV receiver might add.
But in reality you are right, just like 1080p, most will never notice and it is more about marketing hype than anything else.
Maxx @ May 11th 2007 3:42PM
Not to be rude but if you dont have an HDMI reciever or a 1080P tv you really shouldnt be doing a review of a product that uses these as its main feature set seperating it from the other players.
And for the record the A-2 and A-20 are a huge jump in speed and functionality from the A-1.
Ben @ May 11th 2007 3:44PM
Maxx,
Actually I kinda agree with you, but I have had an HDTV for almost 4 years and none of this stuff was around back then and if I bought a new TV every time a new feature came out I'd be broke.
Also Toshiba contacted me to see if I wanted to do a review, they didn't offer me a TV and receiver to go with. ;)
Keith S. @ May 11th 2007 4:24PM
You might also want to mention in the review how well it handles upconversion of standard DVDs in comparison to other HD or upconverting players.
Ben @ May 11th 2007 4:26PM
I would if I tried it.
For one, I don't believe in upconverting DVDs. (don't get me started)
Two, it won't upconvert over component, only with HDMI.
Cory Saxton @ May 14th 2007 11:49AM
If I'm not mistaken, the HD-A20 does not have the HDMI 1.3 port, but the HDMI 1.2, and it does not use the Silicon Opix Reon HQV processor. I have the HD-XA2 because it had the HDMI 1.3 which will allow me to experience "deep color" dolby true HD and DTS HD with a HDMI 1.3 receiver like Onkyo's TX-R875.
Jose Rodriguez @ May 15th 2007 12:00PM
i have the 360 add-on drive and i noticed no load times. Ben i would like to hear your thoughts on upconversion dvd's, lol.
MD @ May 29th 2007 5:54PM
Engadget reviewers/writers are a bunch of BDA fanboi's... give where credit is due for once and stop bashing HD DVD.
Philip @ Jun 8th 2007 11:12AM
I think you need a 1080P set to review this player. I think you will find that it does not do 1080P correctly. Initially it downconverted to 1080i and then upconverted to 1080P. However, it does not upconvert correctly, unless firmware has corrected this since I tested it.
Philip @ Jun 8th 2007 11:16AM
MD
Reading the review I thought he was a HD DVD fanboy. He seemed to miss a lot of the bad things about the player. No true 1080P support. For those of us who buy new TV's and want the best picture, down converting and then upconverting just is not going to cut it.
On large TVs 1080P over HDMI makes a big difference to 1080i over component.
mikeguru @ Jul 13th 2007 10:03AM
I played the NON-HD version of "Planet Earth" on this unit, and the up-conversion is SPECTACULAR. That said, many of the older DVDs I played, and even some more recent ones (Celtic Women #2), won't "allow" up-conversion during playback. I'm not sure why this is, unless there is some sort of deliberate "lock" embedded in them. (?) Also not mentioned in the review, and one of the most important features of the A20 (IMHO) is the fact that it plays NON-HD as well as HD formats. Nice to know we won't have to run 2 players, or sell all our old DVDs at a garage sale! (GRIN)
Shelly @ Aug 8th 2007 6:50AM
worth noting the sharp price drop in the last week or so.
Source: http://www.pricefad.com/chart.php?range=3m&type=a&smooth=w&n=Toshiba%20HD-A20&u=priceguru