http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/ Engadget HD Comments for Is "3X DVD" HD DVD's secret weapon against Blu-ray? http://www.engadgethd.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadgethd.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/Feb 19th 2007 1:05PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/Feb 19th 2007 1:20PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/Feb 19th 2007 1:34PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
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HDDVD is made by toshiba and supported by errrr........which is the proprietory format again?

sony = bluray = fanboi nonsense spouted by uneducated zealots.]]>Feb 19th 2007 3:27PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/Feb 19th 2007 2:28PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/The HD-DVD is working towards that goal with the signing many China manufacturers to produce HD-DVD players. You will start see low cost players hit the market by the end of 2007.
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"We aint gonna win, so lets downgrade to 720p! And f*ck carrots!"]]>Feb 19th 2007 3:08PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
@Ed - you don't know what you're talking about. Blu-ray is not just Sony proprietary format, do your research...]]>Feb 19th 2007 3:25PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/Now give hd dvd fans even lower resolution! Long lives 720p!!! LOL

This will be the best way to kill the format. Lower even more its resolution.

Blu-ray will always be miles ahead of that old technology that hd dvd uses in all forms...]]>Feb 19th 2007 3:43PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/You've got to be joking. I was in Best Buy this weekend. I was looking at their selection of HD dvd and Blu-ray discs. I looked at a copy of Transporter 2 on Blu-ray. On the front it said Beyond High Definition. On the back it said encoded in MPEG 2. That is a format that was developed back in 1988. It is almost 20 years old. The best codec out there for encoding high definition is VC-1 which is the standard for HD DVD's. So get's your facts strait. I know that other Studio's, ones that don't belong to Sony, use vc-1 and mpeg 4 for blu-ray, but Sony's studio will never use vc-1 because it was developed by Microsoft. I don't understand why they don't use mpeg 4 though, because it way more advanced than mpeg 2.

Oh and by the way. The in movie experience blows away anything blu-ray java can do and it is much easier to code. I've read on AVS forums and other places where they are speculating that since Java takes longer to code it is delaying movies coming out on Blu-ray.

To those who say Blu-ray isn't Sony's format.
I don't care who developed Blu-ray. Sony has the most to gain by it becoming the accepted format and nobody should argue that point.

PS. I am not bashing Sony. I actually have several Sony products including a video camera, digital camera, receiver and my next tv may be a Sony. I just hate all the misinformation.
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There are all kinds of special-interest/documentary stuff that is only an hour long too. Many Hollywood titles are only 90 minutes. Kids animation titles would be great for this as well. Animation typically uses less space than video.

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I have HD-DVD at this point because its the only one I could afford. I'll be quicker to pick up a Blu-Ray player if it becomes the norm to cram HD movies onto DVD capacity.]]>Feb 19th 2007 6:02PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
Ha that's such a joke!! Go back to the mainpage scroll down and you will seen an actual cheap asain player from blu-ray, a funai. Something HD-DVD has been promising they would be the first to do since they launched their product. But nice try.


"720p is just a potential option people. 3X DVD spec is identical to the HD-DVD standard in every way except for physical capacity. This format is a great, inexpensive way to get HD out to the masses, utilizing existing DVD infrastructure. We are talking broadcast/cable/satellite HD quality. Last time I checked, it looked fantastic to me (I'm not talking about HD-lite either). HBO-HD broadcasts in 1920x1080i at a 14.2Mbps bitrate. Typical 2 hour movie comes in at around 10GB or so in mpeg2 format. Re-encode that in VC-1 or h.264 and you'll use half the space leaving room to improve on the quality."

A typical HD movie coming in at 10GB, anyone else see what's wrong with this statement. Even if this were true, that would mean that you had seriously compressed audio. The quality of 3x DVD's will not be any better than upconverted DVD's, plus dosen't the 3x stand for Tripple Layer? I doubt that these disk are going to work in most DVD players out there. So people are still going to have to buy a new player to watch these movies. Come-on, this sounds logical to you.

Hd-DVD only took off in the U.S. and not even in a big way. They lost two exclusive studios within the first four months of the BD launch. In europe WB and Paramount have said that they are backing BD! check it out...http://www.hdtvuk.tv/2007/02/bluray_friendly.html.
By summer HD-DVD will have no exclusive studios left. New line cinema and Dreamworks will have jump on the BD bandwagon. By christmas '07 there will be no need to by a HD-DVD player. So Toshiba will probably have a BD player on the market for Easter '08.

No I haven't been blinded by Sony becasue for anyone that know's anything. They know that BD is way more than Sony. So if that's what your going to try and say to me stop and realize that Toshiba are the gready one's here. They were hte ones making royalties off of DVD's and didn't want to lose that. They were the owns who started this crazy format war in the first place.]]>Feb 19th 2007 6:15PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
Java is easier to code. Read some coding books and you will know that...
And btw despite MPEG-2 Blu-ray looks better and SOUNDS better than any HD DVD so you get your facts straight.
HD DVD has NOT beaten Blu-ray in PQ, but Blu-ray BEATS hd dvd in SQ! (see movie reviews)

Blu-ray is better, not more expensive and it feels better to have something new and ahead of its time.]]>Feb 20th 2007 3:23AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/I don't care who developed Blu-ray. Sony has the most to gain by it becoming the accepted format and nobody should argue that point."

Explaine this point with some facts. As some people are aware everyone on the BDA has lots to gain.

]]>Feb 19th 2007 6:36PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/"Explaine this point with some facts. As some people are aware everyone on the BDA has lots to gain."

I think it is fairly obvious that Sony has the most to gain by Blu-ray becoming the accepted format for hd. Sony owns movie studio's and the PS3 has a blu-ray drive in it. Sure the other companies in the BDA have also made investments, but nothing compaired to Sony. I hope this answers your question.
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The *new* standard for OnDemand HD is 15mbps. OTA is 19.7. The key is using h.264 or vc-1. Quality will be better than cable/sat broadcasts. Old TV shows remastered, old b&w movies, short films, documentaries, etc. It lowers the cost to get into the game for the content providers.

It's AG! (all good) ]]>Feb 19th 2007 6:48PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
Not at all, first because I asked for facts, not your personal opinions. Yes they have more products that support BD, but even if BD loses PS3 games run off BD so they know they will sell disks that way no matter what. Which the BDA will take a cut off of by the way. I asked for facts to prove that Sony would make more off BD "winning" than say Disney or MGM. Or that they will be makeing more off hardware than say Phillips, Sharp, or Samsung. So untill you can show these types of facts I can't hate sony for investing more in BD. Keep in mind like I said before PS3 disks will sell either way and any company that is in the BDA will get their cut.

Consider this, Paramount and WB were HD-DVD exclusive studios before BD hit the market. Now as BD gets ready to launch in europe, WB and Paramount are pushing for BD! If there wasn't money for companies to be on the BDA I doubt that this would have happend. ]]>Feb 20th 2007 1:10AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/"I don't understand why they don't use mpeg 4 though, because it way more advanced than mpeg 2."

Sony did use AVC MPEG-4 on "Open Season" movie which scored a perfect on highdefdiges for PQ and is on the top tier 0 list on avsforum. Their next movie will be "Casino Royale". Also, "Crank" movie scored a near perfect score and is also on the top tier 0 list. That one uses the MPEG-2 codec, not so bad for such an old codec. I own both formats, at first I was a bit more impress with HD-DVD's PQ but lately, I'm more impress with Blu-ray's PQ and it's slightly better then what I've seen on HD-DVD.


"Oh and by the way. The in movie experience blows away anything blu-ray java can do and it is much easier to code."

As for Universal's movies, I could care less about their iHD that they offer. I prefer the unique look for each Blu-ray disc then having the same interface/look for each Universal's HD-DVD disc.]]>Feb 19th 2007 6:59PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/"As for Universal's movies, I could care less about their iHD that they offer. I prefer the unique look for each Blu-ray disc then having the same interface/look for each Universal's HD-DVD disc."

Do you even know what the in movie experience is on HD DVD's. Obviously you do not. It is sometime abbreviated as IME and it the technology that allows HD DVD's to have Picutre in Picture during the playback of thee movie, and set bookmarks that can be sent to a friends hd dvd player. In The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift you can change the things like the color of a car in the movie. Among other things. It is a really cool technology. I wish Blu-ray had it but it doesn't. If you go over to AVS Forums, you can read up on the differences of the special features between Blu-ray and HD DVD and they have forums that support both sides. I hope this helps.
]]>Feb 19th 2007 8:19PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/1. We still need hd-dvd player to play it? or any existing DVD player will do?
2. It means if you want 1080p HD quality, a two hour movie will take more than one 3xDVD disc.
3. It means you can use existing DVD burner to record HD movies using 3xDVD discs.
4. 3xDVD discs will be a lot cheaper then HD-DVD.
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Blu Ray = only way]]>Feb 19th 2007 10:46PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/]]>Feb 19th 2007 11:12PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
3xDVD is nothing new its been part of the spec since the beginning, its just a normal DVD (you know the normal 4.7 or 8.5GB kind) with the same format as HD DVD.

Blu-Ray has the exact same thing, they call it BD-9 (like DVD-9 get it?).

This does have its uses, on both sides.

What you will not see is movies from majors in this format.

PS: It's called 3xDVD because it has 3 times the bandwidth of DVD, get it?

-A]]>Feb 20th 2007 1:41AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
The appeal is not for published titles! The reason they exist is so that consumers can archive their own material. Record your vacation with your HD camcorder; transfer to your computer; edit, use your DVD+RW DL drive to burn to 9GB media; play the result in your next-gen player.

Studios would be stupid to publish anything in 9GB formats.
]]>Feb 20th 2007 8:41AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/Feb 20th 2007 9:55AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
So many comments! Why would anyone read all the way down to mine! Anyway, it is inevitable that Blu-Ray will not succeed and Sony will once again be left licking themselves because 1. they will need to heal their wounds and 2. they have a narcissistic problem that emerges from their arrogance.

HD-DVD IS more CONSUMER friendly
HD-DVD IS cheaper to manufacture, distribute, upgrade
HD-DVD HAS better video quality
HD-DVD IS a STANDARD and is NOT owned by any one company

The problem why Blu-Ray/HD-DVD is not taking off is because the majority of people don't even have HD capability to care about any of this!

Blu-Ray is more popular with you isolated techno-freaks because you have no brain to think for yourselves. "Hey, Sony is telling us Blu-Ray is better that means I should buy it because I'm an idiot, don't do my own research, and do everything Sony says!"

Sony and their brute force marketing of the PS3 and Blu-Ray have clouded your minds and made you ALL look like MORONS! WAKE THE F UP and stop being a Sonypuppet!]]>Feb 20th 2007 10:56AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
CHOICE in any case where Sony has a hand is NOT balanced choice.]]>Feb 20th 2007 11:32AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
not really interested, I like watching movies just the way they are and with the real-time pop-ups on these HD players makes it better then DVD.


"HD-DVD IS more CONSUMER friendly
HD-DVD IS cheaper to manufacture, distribute, upgrade
HD-DVD HAS better video quality
HD-DVD IS a STANDARD and is NOT owned by any one company"

*LOL* tell me why HD-DVD is more CONSUMER friendly? don't tell me because the word DVD is in there. I own both formats and Blu-ray PQ is looking better then HD-DVD PQ. As for HD-DVD being STANDARD, oh sure it's okay for Toshiba to come up with a product of their own but if it was Sony, you'll be jumping all over Sony about their proprietary product. If this is the only reasons you have over Sony's Blu-ray and coming up with a stupid name to hide yourself makes you a pathetic fanboy.
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Blu-Ray PQ is "looking better" than HD-DVD PQ, oh no, better CHOOSE Blu-Ray then! Apart from your "feelings", tell me what average consumer is going to seriously ponder the consequences of PQ functionality. Stick to your W.O.W., techno-geek world, man.

The argument here is STANDARDIZING the format for the CONSUMER, NOT for the developers, publishers, and small time technophiles. What is the better CHOICE for the average consumer? HD-DVD, by far.

Oh, and I don't see Toshiba saturating the market with their name attached to the HD-DVD format. Does anyone else? I didn't think so but Sony on the other hand...hmmm. Stop being a Sonypuppet, Steve.]]>Feb 20th 2007 1:03PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
What kind of arguement is "standardizing for the consumer, not developers/manufacturers"? If something is standardized for devlopers/manufacturers that means lower prices, higher quality, and less confusion for the consumer? And either way, this is a moot point, both formats are TRYING to standardize their product, it's not a "standard" until every major industrial company accepts it. So far BD is far closer to being "standard" in all respects than HD-DVD.

P.S. Toshiba doesn't have to blatantly attach their name with HD-DVD because there is no other name in HD-DVD, if someone buys HD-DVD they buy Toshiba. Sony is attaching their name because if someone buys BD, they're not necessarily buying Sony, of couse Sony wants them to, but there are other choices. It's the same reason any company advertises, they want people to buy their products...

Holy freakin' lack of common sense.]]>Feb 20th 2007 1:37PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
Lack of common sense? Standardizing a product for the consumer is what is needed for cheaper pricing, etc., etc., this is turn standardizes it for the developers, publishers, etc., etc. Hello? This is my point exactly you moron.

The reason BD is "closer" as you put it is because Sony is NOT in negotiations for standardizing the format. Sony IS using BRUTE FORCE through the PS3 and proprietary persuasion in owning many music and video studios, and other companies (software included) to standardize Blu-Ray because they've put a buttload of money into trying to control the whole global media community! It's what Sony has always done and blind little mice like yourself are the ones that fall for it!

You people need to wake up and realize you're being persuaded once again to follow a media monger just like you did when Microsoft began it's monopoly. It's people like you that ruin it for everyone. WAKE THE F UP!

Once a nimble innovator known for the coolest gadgets, it became a bloated, bureaucratic conglomerate. Now, Sony's arrogance in the global community is going to bring the company down.

Your P.S. remark is confusing and thus meritless. Your lack of understanding for marketing is apparent.

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Sony uses fake critic!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4741259.stm

Malicious software piggybacked on copy protection tech!
http://news.com.com/FAQ+Sonys+rootkit+CDs/2100-1029_3-5946760.html

Sony buys spins to up the ante (funny it didn't work)
http://news.com.com/FAQ+Sonys+rootkit+CDs/2100-1029_3-5946760.html

Don't forget about all the other marketing crap (like the racist PSP ads and deceptive PSP marketing blog) WE as CONSUMERS have to put up with.

PSP crap
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/12/13/sony-owns-up-to-deceptive-marketing-blog/

Anything else? Now who's the one without common sense, Wonderboy?]]>Feb 20th 2007 2:10PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/Feb 20th 2007 2:43PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
Poor old man on the street gets ripped off with a barely HD picture, that will cost full price...]]>Feb 20th 2007 2:47PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
I can see that although you may not "name call" as you put it, you stoop to even lower levels of maturity by speaking of me in the 3rd person instead of to me. Nice, if you have kids, I hope you don't neglect them like that also.

Well, I can see that a person can't brute force any persuasion into an argument...oh wait Sony can because of morons like Steve. Is that name calling? No. It's an observation, Steve. If your weren't so mindless and blind to the truth behind Sony's marketing you wouldn't be a moron but unfortuantely for you, you are.

It's unfortunate that you have no consumer conscience and you contribute to the arrogance of Sony and its brute force marketing of Blu-Ray.

Burn all your money now kids...or should I say stubborn fools, no I better not because Steve would think I'm name calling. You all think you're "choosing" the right format but answer me this, "How do you make a balanced choice when Sony is known for its deception and arrogance?"

As a side, like I care about this, not one of you has presented any significant average consumer argument to counter my statements and presented facts about Sony and Blu-ray.

I rest my case.]]>Feb 20th 2007 3:10PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/thank you come again.]]>Mar 4th 2007 5:26AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/Feb 20th 2007 3:14PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/If you had an actual name, I wouldn't refer to you as a 3rd person.

You want facts about Blu-ray, this is what it has over HD-DVD:
MORE capacity (200 gigs from TDK)
MORE studio support
MORE manufacturer support
MORE contents
MORE sales
MORE support around the world

these are facts, accept it fanboy. ]]>Feb 20th 2007 3:33PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
Sonykiller, your name alone pegs you as a fanboy... your statements solidify that.

Blu-Ray is not a Sony technology, Sony merely happens to be the loudest champion of the tech. Your incessant arguements against Sony and it's checkered past are irrelevant... we're talking Blu-Ray, not Sony.

In the end, Blu-Ray has more manufacturing backers, Blu-Ray has more studio backers, Blu-Ray has higher capacity, Blu-Ray supports the same codecs as HD-DVD, Blu-Ray is only temporarily more expensive than HD-DVD and not by much, Blu-Ray has more players in the field, Blu-Ray has more movies in the field.

Hate Sony all you want, it makes no difference. It is FACT that Blu-Ray (not Sony) is currently winning a war in which HD-DVD had a head-start. And while you scream about the irrelevant-to-this-conversation Sony, we'll keep laughing at you because you think ignoring the facts and blindly hating a company is "intelligent" consumerism.]]>Feb 20th 2007 3:38PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
I know what a fanboy is, my question is what am I a fanboy of? Try reading the posts instead of skimming them.

I never said Blu-Ray is Sony tech but Sony is the major marketer for the unnecessary format.

Um, let's see, Steve...

MORE capacity (200 gigs from TDK) ...Oh yea so necessary for the average consumer, let's let millions of people spend money on something they won't use!

MORE studio support ...Hmm, I wonder why, maybe it's because Sony owns most of them, moron again!

MORE manufacturer support ...Owns or financially supports most of them as well. Can you think of more reasons other than Sony's monopolistic persuasions?

MORE contents ...Yes, the average consumer will spend 10's of hours on one video, watching all the director's comments, all the bloopers, all the different clips, storing their "gigabytes" of data, etc., etc. Are you F'ing serious?! The average consumer is WORKING THEIR ASS OF TO AFFORD ALL THIS UNNECESSARY CRAP THEY DON"T EVEN HAVE TIME TO USE!

MORE sales ...Again, with the monopoly.

MORE support around the world ...Oh yes, Austrailia is important in deciding the global market.

You guys really need to open your eyes. I said it before and I'll say it now, it's people like you that make it more difficult for the average consumer to own new technology and it's people like you that give companies their monopolies.

Why don't you help others instead of helping yourselves? Your self-centered and arrogant just like Sony and their brute force marketing of Blu-Ray.
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All you have is the rootkit debacle and fake PSP ad? So, do you want me to bring up a list of Microsoft's past misdeeds? I bet I can find more than 2-3.]]>Feb 20th 2007 4:19PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
CD-R? 700MB? Who needs that? We'll never use that space up.

DVD-R? Who needs that? We'll never use that space up.]]>Feb 20th 2007 4:24PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
On your second feed, I think you fail to realize that those were a necessity at the time, Blu-Ray is not. Ten years from now? Sure, but by then we will have a new medium and Sony will probably try and trump that as well.]]>Feb 20th 2007 4:48PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/02/19/is-3x-dvd-hd-dvds-secret-weapon-against-blu-ray/
Although, "cheap" being relative - dual layer discs are still at a premium - but the are a lot less than BD-R/RE/etc...

The major studios will never use this format.]]>Feb 20th 2007 5:01PM