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"We won...we played the dirtiest"

They're lying out their arses but feel free to hype this consumer debacle called HD for consumers.

I would have liked to know years ago that the studios had such a disdain for the serving their consumers. ]]>Jan 8th 2007 7:26PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
Of course, anyone with foresight could have seen this coming. I guess we now know those that lack vision (HD-DVD supporters). ]]>Jan 8th 2007 8:22PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/

You can just tell there's a lot of dirt and cheating going on behind the scenes. Consumers don't get a chance to choose the best format because of these dirty dealings. It may be in my head but sometimes where there's smoke there's fire. ]]>Jan 8th 2007 8:33PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 8th 2007 9:02PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 18th 2007 4:39PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 8th 2007 9:18PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 11th 2007 10:28PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 9th 2007 10:13AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
don't play games much, but $600 for a BR player is DAMN cheap!!!]]>Feb 11th 2007 3:54AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/05/ps3-driving-blu-ray-movie-sales-outpacing-hd-dvd/]]>Feb 11th 2007 3:53AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
Sure there are more BD players if you count all those PS3s, but you have to compete with PS3 games, AND get them to use a game controller to play a DVD which is awkward at best.

If you discount the PS3s, Sony has sold zero players.]]>Jan 8th 2007 10:03PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
I sure did. Sheesh. Do you even care about the truth?

According to Sony, 80% of the PS3 owners have tried Blu-Ray (they've shipped 1.4 million). According to Fox Blu-Ray sales on Amazon have caught up to HD-DVD sales... though I believe that's monthly sales, not over all.

I know this sounds all fanboy and whatnot, but I DO plan to purchase the XBox 360 HD-DVD add-on when my XBox comes back from the repair center.

-Pie]]>Jan 8th 2007 11:19PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
Of course not! I guess the BD fans missed the variety of industry reports during November/December that revealed the FACT that HD-DVD software sales are 3-to-1 over Blu-ray! And growing...

Just search the web or some of the well-known industry sites - videobusiness.com, homemediamagazine.com, cepro.com, wsj.com, and others.

At no time has Blu-ray ever come close to "catching" the disc sales of HD-DVD! They are desperate to claim "victory" because they now have sold a bunch of PS3's [money loser for Sony till at least 2009/2010, if even then], but from now on there will be NO MORE EXCUSES for why HD-DVD disc sales trump Blu-ray!

That's right Sony - NOW you have the greater overall number of Blu-ray capable players [adding PS3], BUT will you see those Blu-ray discs actually outsell HD-DVD? So far, it's a big NO!!

Now here in 2007, FIVE new companies are releasing HD-DVD players [see engadgethd.com links], including high-end company ONKYO and leading mass-market [low-priced] Asian leader LITE-ON.

And at least 300 HD-DVD titles are planned for 2007, a format with LOWER COST and HIGHER IMAGE QUALITY than the "Blu-ray" [based on comparison reviews].

Blu-ray may survive as a computer-storage and game console medium, but for HD home theater it's going to end up with HD-DVD the winner [faster sales, and better quality at a lower, more profitable cost], AND you will enventually see those "Blu-ray only" studios "cross over" to HD-DVD.

If not, those non-region foreign editions of certain "Blu-ray only" titles will be released in overseas HD-DVD markets (and imported to the USA), which means loss of $ALES to those studios here in the USA that currently don't support HD-DVD.]]>Jan 9th 2007 5:21AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 27th 2007 4:23PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/05/ps3-driving-blu-ray-movie-sales-outpacing-hd-dvd/]]>Feb 11th 2007 3:53AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/05/ps3-driving-blu-ray-movie-sales-outpacing-hd-dvd/]]>Feb 11th 2007 3:53AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
So what you are saying is that you will continue to fight this useless format war for 4 more years while the real people that get hurt are the average consumers that don't understand all this format war nonsense. Way to go BDA you greedy bastards, all you guys care about is royalties.]]>Jan 8th 2007 11:51PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
You could also say:

So what you are saying is that you will continue to fight this useless format war for 4 more years while the real people that get hurt are the average consumers that don't understand all this format war nonsense. Way to go DVD Forum you greedy bastards, all you guys care about is royalties.]]>Jan 9th 2007 3:37AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 9th 2007 3:48AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
"They also indicated that Blu-ray software sales surpassed HD-DVD sales in December, with a strong surge coinciding with the PS3's November launch (a 700% increase since mid-November), and that they project Blu-ray software sales to outpace HD-DVD sales by a factor of 2 or even 3 to 1 in the first half of 2007."

Sure, the Blu-Ray Group isn't unbiased. But this illustrates that, indeed, Blu-Ray has suprpassed sales of HD-DVD for the most recent month of data. And it strikes me as a curious coincidence that your 3 to 1 number has come back, though obviously pure, biased projections on the BD Group's part.

Remember, too, that HD-DVD still has more titles then Blu-Ray, though it's now only about 15-20 more, and they had 3-4 month head-start in the format war. And note that Universal, HD-DVD's largest exlcusive studio supporter made NO NEW HD-DVD ANNOUNCEMENT at CES, and doesn't plan to.

Finally, I find it somewhat hypocritical that you cite "Blu-Ray Fanboys" while your post is the rudest, and most speculative in this thread. Citing 300 HD-DVDs for 2007 with "highest image quality based on comparative reveiws"... though you don't explain how reviews have compared unreleased product for 2007 yet! :p

Image and sound quality is comprable between both formats (on properly calibrated and reviewed set-ups). Still, both formats have plusses and minuses. It's a bummer we're in a format war. But mellow out. It's just movies, and it's not like people are dying over this stuff.

-Pie]]>Jan 9th 2007 5:32PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 9th 2007 7:17AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
Toshiba's not playing dirty? They just want to keep the royalties from standard DVD that they're already getting. And Universal could end the farce right now if it would jump in with the rest of the movie studios.]]>Jan 9th 2007 9:59AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
Also, let me offer a radical idea: that the format war (if it is resolved, which it certainly will be -- by dual-format players or discs, if nothing else) will turn out to be a good thing in the long run, for the simple reason that it provided competition. And competition improves quality and price. The presence of HD-DVD has forced Blu-Ray to significantly improve the video quality of its discs and the price of its players. And the presence of Blu-Ray is probably what motivated HD-DVD to ensure that its discs were of high video quality and that its players were reasonably priced to start with. ]]>Jan 9th 2007 4:44PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/


EatingPie

“According to Sony, 80% of the PS3 owners have tried Blu-Ray (they've shipped 1.4 million). According to Fox Blu-Ray sales on Amazon have caught up to HD-DVD sales... though I believe that's monthly sales, not over all.”

Any outside source to support this besides someone from the Blu ray camp? And you’re right; it does sound “all fanboy and whatnot.”

“Sure, the Blu-Ray Group isn't unbiased. But this illustrates that, indeed, Blu-Ray has suprpassed sales of HD-DVD for the most recent month of data. And it strikes me as a curious coincidence that your 3 to 1 number has come back, though obviously pure, biased projections on the BD Group's part.”

It actually doesn’t illustrate anything until a third party corroborates those findings.



Phil

“Hmmm... Do some searching... Apparently 80% of 10,000 PS3 owners interviewed plan on using their PS3 as a Blu-Ray player. The news just came out today. Goodbye HD-DVD I guess...”

“News” that came from the BDA, not exactly a strong use of that word.]]>Jan 9th 2007 6:46PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
I did leave out said third part: Amazon.com. They were specifically cited by Fox in their statements about BD sales increasing. One commentator said it was more likely a spike due to new PS3 sales.

-Pie]]>Jan 10th 2007 12:40AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
That is one definition. The way I see it, it’s a supporter (of whichever side or subject matter) who cannot see faults or objectively. To take anything said in the BDA press conference as fact without outside confirmation is an example. To take anything said in the HD DVD press conference as fact without outside confirmation is another example.



“I did leave out said third part: Amazon.com. They were specifically cited by Fox in their statements about BD sales increasing. One commentator said it was more likely a spike due to new PS3 sales.”

Third party corroboration would be Amazon themselves (or someone else outside of the BDA) making a statement in a press conference that confirms what was stated by the BDA; someone credible outside the BDA who would confirm those statements.

If the DVD forum made the same type of statement in their favor, would you believe it? No, you shouldn’t. You’d wait until a third party (or parties) confirmed those findings.

When you get information from someone with a vested interest in the subject matter, anything that is said shouldn’t necessarily be taken as fact till it’s confirmed by an outside source.]]>Jan 10th 2007 10:20AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 10th 2007 1:44AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
Add this to the 2:1 software sales of HD DVD movies to Blu Ray, the fact that its 50% cheaper for the hardware, and all this "Blu-Ray has won" just doesn't add up.


]]>Jan 10th 2007 2:15PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 10th 2007 5:04PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
So NICE TRY, on that's the ONLY reason that you bought it. And if I WERE dumb enough to spend CLOSE to $800.00 Tax, Extra Warrenty, Game, Controller, EVEN AN HDMI cable and etc. I'd probably go out and pay $30.00 for a Blu-Ray disk to SEE what it looks like. BUT NEVER would I change my whole collection to ANOTHER one of Sony's BS!

You guys ALL remember Sony's imfamous Mini-Disk player, right? It could hold up to a CD's worth of info. was smaller and Sony went at it saying it was, "Better". Sony said that MD's (Mini-Disk's) were goiing to replace CD's.

REALLY! ]]>Jan 15th 2007 8:40PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 11th 2007 11:15AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 11th 2007 3:44PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 9th 2007 8:27AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
Interviews conducted by whom?]]>Jan 19th 2007 12:30AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 13th 2007 12:04PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 17th 2007 10:13AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
I would like to see those results had Sony not given away a free Blu-Ray movie with each console.

I have both and I believe HD-DVD is far superior.

]]>Jan 13th 2007 2:42PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 15th 2007 8:50PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 16th 2007 3:40PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
As far as PS3 consoles being used as a Blu-ray disc player...how many owners of PS3 are actually going to use it for that purpose? The real movie buffs are buying stand-alone players and that's what really counts!]]>Jan 16th 2007 6:00PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 17th 2007 2:04AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
As far as a hybrid player "solving the problem" it doesn't. who wants to get stuck paying a lot more for a player and then getting stuck with a library of Blu-ray discs? Assuming that people who buy hybrid-players WILL buy both formats and then end up with the obsolete discs of the losing format, in this case Blu-ray.]]>Jan 17th 2007 2:35PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 18th 2007 5:12PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!! ]]>Jan 19th 2007 10:26PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 20th 2007 2:51AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 20th 2007 8:08PMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 21st 2007 2:45AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/
http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/11/ces2007_hddvd_blu_ray/]]>Jan 21st 2007 3:01AMhttp://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/blu-ray-disc-association-declares-victory-over-hd-dvd/Jan 21st 2007 9:47AM