Playstation 3: HDMI cable not included
In a bit of PS3 news that sprouted legs this weekend, the U.S. Playstation website has confirmed that Sony's upcoming console will not include an HDMI cable in the box. Naturally this sparked a firestorm of controversy over what even the $600-variant would be able to do and by how much this increases the price. Of course most of our readers know that you can easily find HDMI cables on the net for as little as $5-$10 plus shipping, that will transmit the encrypted digital signals to your television without a problem. As evidenced by the reactionary postings across the net, many gamers don't, much less casual shoppers who might want to buy the PS3 as a gift this holiday season who have only seen the heavily marked up $50-$100 HDMI cables prominently displayed at most big box electronics retailers. Even if money isn't an issue (and if you're buying a PS3 either it isn't or we're you're living on ramen to afford one), most don't know if they need it. If you own a 1080p TV that accepts a 1080p input, then yes, it's the only way you'll get movies at that resolution although some would argue whether that is necessary. Despite Phil Harrison's "1080p is the only true definition of HD" statement, Sony knows that only a small number of HDTV owners have that setup and opted to save a few bucks by leaving the cable out. Analog 1080p for gaming is certainly possible but not many TVs support that either. While the lack of the cable probably isn't that big of a deal, if Sony is going to advertise the "Full HD" capabilities of their machine you'd think they would make sure you can use it that way right out of the box, instead many buyers will be confused and possibly gouged by retailers selling expensive accessories.[Via Joystiq]
















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
SJ @ Sep 4th 2006 2:05PM
Bundling composite cables with any console is a must...the secondary cable has to be one which provides HD output, a component or HDMI cable. Since component connections are available in every HDTV Sony is doing the right thing by including the component cable and not the HDMI one. The only problem in this case is that even 1080p TVs cannot accept 1080p through component, only HDMI.
People are making a big deal out of this for no reason. Besides, if you are ready to spend $600 on a console what's another $10-$20?
GhostDoggy @ Sep 4th 2006 2:25PM
SJ, "1080p TVs cannot accept 1080p through component." I wasn't aware of this. I wonder if that is a limitation of the specific display product rather than Component video transport. While I recognize Component video being a 'consumer' video transport, this shouldn't be misinterpreted as analog video transport limitation.
One only needs ~35 MHz for 1080i DTV, but they would need double that for 1080P60. One could make their own short-length (less than 50-feet) 18AWG Component cables. BTW, even the Westinghouse 1080P LCD displays are accepting RGBhv (analog) up to 1080P, so the HDMI exclusivity isn't there in all products. Then again, RGBhv is better than Component anyway.
I would say its more of a display manufacturer shortcoming than a video transport limitation. But, HDMI cables can be had online for $10.
SJ @ Sep 4th 2006 2:42PM
As far as I know, most of the 1080p TVs on the market can only accept 1080p through HDMI inputs. Technically 1080p should be possible through component inputs, but as you said it's more of a display manufacturer shortcoming.
Petla @ Sep 4th 2006 3:03PM
"Sony is going to advertise the "Full HD" capabilities of their machine you'd think they would make sure you can use it that way right out of the box, instead many buyers will be confused and possibly gouged by retailers selling expensive accessories."
Thats just complete nonsense and BS.
The 600 USD PS3 is not for retards; if you're going to drop 600 USD on anything you should at least know something about what you're getting. If not, then you deserve to be gouged.
Loren @ Sep 4th 2006 4:24PM
Well if you can buy the cables on the internet for $5 to 10 then how much did they cost to manufacture? $1.00 or 2.00? This just shows how tight the margins are on the new PS3 and Sony not wanting to lose more money on an incrediably discounted machine which is still the most expensive gaming system ever.
For $600.00 it makes me wonder what their primary age group they will marketing this for.
Deathwish238 @ Sep 4th 2006 4:31PM
While yes, you should know what you're buying when you drop $600 for it...however the average consumer believe Bose makes the best speakers and Monster makes the best cables.
Filme @ Sep 4th 2006 5:00PM
Although not a deal breaker, it's a bit of a pain when you buy an item and still have to remember to also buy the cable. My HDMI cable was $40 when I picked it up at the store, and that was the least expensive offering. They were also selling for for $100
I really don't understand why anyone would choose component over HDMI if you have HDMI available. Connecting one cable is the greatest thing ever.
GhostDoggy @ Sep 4th 2006 5:39PM
Filme, buying cables in a retail environment is giving in to high-margin items. I'm about to place an order through Mono Price because I've had half a dozen (or more) friends already use them and got great results for a lot less money.
BTW, I think the only people choosing Component over HDMI is probably a lack of HDMI in their display. For instance, I have a 92" and a 120" projected image for displays (also a 42" LCD flat panel), both of which are fed nicely through RGBHV.
There is a required solution to inputting digital into analog displays not previously equipped as such. But, had Sony offered RGBHV in addition or instead of Component I would have been happy provided they didn't skirt the output like the 360 did with RGBHV.
tony @ Sep 4th 2006 5:56PM
Well, i think they should atleast include a cheap HDMI cable. I got my HDdvd player which came with a HDMI cable but i still bought a monster one. So i ahve a spare one laying around.
The biggest prob is that my tv only has 1 HDMI port, as im sure most people who bought HDtvs have whic hsucks cause i can only use 1 HD item at a time. I see switches online for like 300.00, id rather just switch them myself, lol.
Jason @ Sep 4th 2006 7:07PM
The bad press just shows how sick (for lack of a better word) they are with sony. From the high $600 dollar price tags, to games casting $70 plus, and the arragant attitudes that suggest you should be lucky to hand over you pension funds. It's kinda like a couple on the verge of a divorce, every little thing starts to get annoying. This is just one of those little things. I just hope sony learns a thing or two and gets on the ball. Becouse beleive it or not I really like the company, but as far as i'm concerned until they change i think we should all just say "really it's not you, its me" and then move on with both of our lives. Latter.
pete @ Sep 4th 2006 7:10PM
Idea-
Buy a bunch of cheap HDMI cables online for $10 a piece.
Sell for $20 a piece to the people on line for the PS3 on launch day.
Double your money, and screw the bix-box price gougers.
Thomas @ Sep 4th 2006 9:45PM
Tony,
I ran outa YPbPr inputs on my Set.. So I bought a new receiver, with switching.. No HDMI thou..
I have one DVI which is gunna be used for my PS3 this spring and I have the cable already from hookin up my PC to my 50".. So this exclusion of an HDMI cable is fine by me(i have an DVI->HDMI connector, HDMI->DVI cable was really for my HD-DVR box but I found my TV doesnt do 480p/i on my DVI)
Ed @ Sep 4th 2006 10:28PM
HAHAHA. Why I'm not surprised about this, when will people learn that, Blu ray sucks!! PS3 Sucks!!! $ony SUCKS!!! WII-60 AND HD DVD ALL THE WAY BITCHES!!
TJ @ Sep 4th 2006 10:30PM
I don't care. Even if they included one, I'd just toss it and use the Monster Ultra 1000 cable I'm planning on using anyway!
Nick James @ Sep 4th 2006 11:15PM
I can't use a strict HDMI cable anyways, I have a DVI port. It's currently in use by my cable box, so it's going to be a real pain in the ass to switch between that and my PS3.
For those unfamiliar with DVI, it has to be screwed in like a VGA monitor cable, not just simply plugged in like an HDMI/RCA cable.
Oh well. Maybe some day I'll get an HDMI switcher.
WiFiSpy @ Sep 5th 2006 1:22AM
I just cant get over the ignorant people that buy Monster HDMI cables.... People! its a digital connection! Ones and Zeros, it either works or it doesnt. A better HDMI cable will not get you a better picture. Save your $$$ and order some from http://www.monoprice.com
tech wizard @ Sep 5th 2006 1:54AM
its new technologly.its bound to cost more.whats the difference beweeten black and white & colour.thats an anwser.
i still think sony PSS3 & xbox 360{HD_DVD still to be included.they'll be the same price when its launched} will be neck & neck for years,both great consoles
judd sandage @ Sep 5th 2006 4:28AM
Monster Cable? overpriced hunk of junk, you would do better to spend that money on some monoprice.com cabling then support the basterds that sued diseny for the word monster in "Monsters INC.", monster cable claims they dont own the word monster but are sueing anyone using it claiming infringment as if they actully did own the word and any combination of it. or go for AR cables there good aswell
Sean @ Sep 5th 2006 11:57AM
I am a happy customer from www.monoprice.com :-] The hardest of hardcore from avsforum.com also recommend this place.
Xyzzy @ Sep 5th 2006 10:51PM
I'm amazed at all the Monster cable comments in this thread... I guess these are the same people with BD players and Bose speakers... Says a lot about the whole Sony fanboy mentality at least... "We buy big names!!!"
popstand @ Sep 8th 2006 11:55AM
"I don't care. Even if they included one, I'd just toss it and use the Monster Ultra 1000 cable I'm planning on using anyway!"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...ha!
I second the above comments, with added mockery of course. Please, please, people, stop buying Monster cables. They've highjacked every major retail outlet. You can't even go to Radio Shack anymore to buy cheap cables in a pinch. Monoprice.com all the way...
Keith @ Sep 14th 2006 2:48PM
This is really no big deal! HDMI cables can be bought cheap! Good grief! http://www.eHDMI.com/hdmi.html
Get over it!
Put_up_&_shut_up @ Oct 23rd 2006 12:44PM
Even if you do buy a cable for 15-20 bucks online, once you pay shipping etc your still looking at 35-50 bucks. Who the hell cares, if you own high end equipment that can use hdmi like myself, just suck it up and buy the friggin thing. Us techys have already been suckered into buying bullshit technology for crazy prices, so just buy the thing. ei: plasma tvs are insured for 350 bucks when shipped from a manufacturer, so your pretty 2-4k is already a huge markup chappy.
Jordan @ Nov 15th 2006 7:20PM
Of course you can send 1080p through analog. What do you think the VGA signal out of your graphics card is? That can support well over 1080p. The VGA is the lowest bandwidth connection that will support 1080p. Which makes you wonder what Microsoft is thinking with their fall 2006 update saying that now it will support 1080p. The only issue with that of course is that it will not output digital video, so the only way to utilize this 1080p is to use a VGA cable. But video connections are simple, just rank them by bandwidth; RG-6 (cable,) Composite (RCA or "yellow",) S-video, component (Red/Green/Blue,) VGA (Computer video connection with out the cross,) DVI (Computer video connection with the cross,) HDMI (funny shaped USB.) The only advantage of HDMI over DVI is that HDMI can transport audio as well, the video bandwidth is identical.
Aaron @ Nov 17th 2006 1:16AM
Seriously guys, STOP BUYING MONSTER CABLES. Especially for HDMI! WiFiSpy is correct, it's a DIGITAL signal, which means that you can put all the gold in the world on it and inject it with 20 different gases and shield it with 10,000 layers of aluminum and it would still give you the same damn picture. With an analog signal, you might notice a difference with a higher quality cable -- maybe. But with a digital connection like DVI and HDMI, there is no difference, so go cheap and stop supporting Monster and their overpriced products. It's not even that Monster cables are bad; they're not. They're just way the hell too expensive for what they are.
Now that I think about it, here's something interesting about the issue:
http://revision3.com/systm/avcabling
You can watch the video at a reduced framerate with the built-in flash player on the page, or you can download it, but it's a big file. Worth watching, though. It may help some of you understand why Monster cables are a waste of money.